Missing 12 year old in London

later12

Amalgam wrote: »

Like fox_1973 above, once I heard the grandmother had a 'partner'..

What was so bad about the grandmother having a partner?

There are two striking aspects to this: there is, mainly, the sad and chilling murder of a little girl, with culpability of those who were her own family, appointed whether by blood or by bond to be her guardian and protecter.

But then there's the other aspect: the nature of the cover-up. Hiding the body in the house (which seems to be a small council house), and the step-G/father giving terribly suspicious, defensive TV interviews at a time when the man is a blatant suspect?

It suggests that the demise of this little girl was not pre-meditated; nobody could be that stupid.

blacklilly

Was Ian huntly not that stupid? It's so sad to hear this innocent child has been murdered. If it was the step grandad I hope justice is served and he spends the rest of his life in q confined jail cell

BigBrownBear

Awful stuff.
Whats the story with the mother?
Where's she? Haven't heard her mentioned

pontia

would have no qualms seeing him on end of rope.be usual he had a bad background ect not his fault

meoklmrk91

This is just tragic, poor girl. I can't understand why they have released info about the body being found when they don't have their main suspect in custody, as soon as he hears the news he will know the game is up, this gives him a chance to attempt suicide, possibly try to leave the country etc.

I think it would have been much better to leave it until they had him in custody. This is a very strange case, and an extremely wierd family, I sincerely hope that there is nothing more sinister going on I.e. a number of family members being involved in the cover up.

trishasaffron

Have we seen the girl's father at any stage? Wondering about that.....

Cops said they had 100s working on the case - even taking staff off the Olympics. How come step-grandad wasn't under surveillance? Incompetence.

Whatsernamex33

Can't believe it, I really hope that none of the rest of the family are involved, the step father is really suspect, though. That video just gave me chills watching him.
Poor girl.. x

I know its totally the wrong attitude, but just right now at this minute, Id hope a load of grown assed men meet this Hazell guy and deal with him. Seriously deal with him.


:mad:

Richard Hillman

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

This is just tragic, poor girl. I can't understand why they have released info about the body being found when they don't have their main suspect in custody, as soon as he hears the news he will know the game is up, this gives him a chance to attempt suicide, possibly try to leave the country etc.

I think it would have been much better to leave it until they had him in custody. This is a very strange case, and an extremely wierd family, I sincerely hope that there is nothing more sinister going on I.e. a number of family members being involved in the cover up.

Im sure he knew the net was closing around him and I think the Police probably suspected him from day one.

From view a lot of the TV coverage I tend to look a lot at Martin Brunt on Sky News. He seems incredibly well connected to the police. Looking at his body language the last couple of days, he looked like he was reporting it for the sake of it. As if he knew what was happening but couldnt say.

johndoe99

they say the body was in the house for 6 days.

Stuart Hazell and the Grandmother were there, and relatives etc. The house does not look big. I'm curious as to where the body was hidden.

steve9859

I hope he gets caught and doesn't kill himself. Then, after due process of course, gets put in gen-pop at one of HM's toughest prisons for the rest of his life. That would be appropriate punishment

and F*** me sideways, what kind of women sleeps with her daughters left overs???

One strange family .

BigBrownBear

johndoe99 wrote: »

they say the body was in the house for 6 days.

Stuart Hazell and the Grandmother were there, and relatives etc. The house does not look big. I'm curious as to where the body was hidden.

I can't get me head around that. Surely a corpse would start to smell after a week.
Not being insensitive or that

mrsnewbie

I read that the police were seen getting ladders and body was in the loft. God I still find it hard to believe the family wouldn't suspect anything. The police were incompetent. There was a lot more coverage in past similar cases. Poor little girl. RIP

blueser

Jake1 wrote: »

I know its totally the wrong attitude, but just right now at this minute, Id hope a load of grown assed men meet this Hazell guy and deal with him. Seriously deal with him.


:mad:

I wouldn't say that.

Bobby42

I don't get all the stick the police are getting.
What are they supposed to do every time a child is reported missing? Say to the parents - your child is missing, well we better seal off your house, dig up the back garden, we've a body to look for?

They went with her last reported sighting and the usual procedures for a missing child.

Such a tragic story.

sunflower27

johndoe99 wrote: »

they say the body was in the house for 6 days.

Stuart Hazell and the Grandmother were there, and relatives etc. The house does not look big. I'm curious as to where the body was hidden.

Exactly. Like the family wouldn't have noticed a body somewhere. Would there not have been a smell as well?

That video is chilling. Very odd the way he says 'deep down in my heart I know she went out the front door'. Why say that, why not just say she went out the front door? I think that is what he wished happened so he wasn't now culpable.

RIP little Tia. Very saddened to read this awful update, even though like most I knew it wasn't looking good.

later12

barry711 wrote: »

I'd say that "granda" did it. Based on his age, and his previous convictions and that rather strange comment he made "We all have shady pasts...but I didn't hurt Tia"

Eh no, we don't all have convictions for selling crack and owning a machete.

Convictions aside, that comment had look at me! I sound guilty written all over it. He was just way too defensive all along; anyone else would be frantically worried about child abusers and getting their family member back home.

average_runner

sunflower27 wrote: »

johndoe99 wrote: »

they say the body was in the house for 6 days.

Stuart Hazell and the Grandmother were there, and relatives etc. The house does not look big. I'm curious as to where the body was hidden.

Exactly. Like the family wouldn't have noticed a body somewhere. Would there not have been a smell as well?

That video is chilling. Very odd the way he says 'deep down in my heart I know she went out the front door'. Why say that, why not just say she went out the front door? I think that is what he wished happened so he wasn't now culpable.

RIP little Tia. Very saddened to read this awful update, even though like most I knew it wasn't looking good.

Knew he did it. But since the mother is missing also, was there something going on with hazell and her and tia found out about it?

Allyall

That is sickening. :(

My hands sweated listening to him, i Don't know whether it was out of anger or horror..

Is that the father beside him in the video interview? And is that in the house where she was found?

I feel a bit sick..

It's live on here right now.

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/app/liveTV/liveTv.html

SICK!

The Big Red Button

In that video, where he's asked how he's finding it being kept under house arrest, he goes off on a big rant about how horrible it is for him, and how people are accusing him of stuff etc ... whereas you'd imagine the reaction of an innocent person in that position would be to say it's awful being under house arrest because he can't be out looking for her!

The whole family seems completely messed up. Terrible to think what the little girl might have gone through.

johndoe99

a statement from police:

The bedroom was searched on the day she disappeared

a specialist team searched the house Sunday Morning

dogs searched the house Thursday

it gets weirder.

The Big Red Button

So ... either the search teams were completely incompetent ... or they moved the body back into the house, from somewhere else?

Duggys Housemate

Heres something from Duncan Ballatine on the twitter

Scrap the police force, all crimes will be solved on Twitter from this day forward because tweeters know everything.

We still dont know who did this.

johndoe99

chatterpillar wrote: »

So ... either the search teams were completely incompetent ... or they moved the body back into the house, from somewhere else?

but for that to be the case, the body would have to be brought back on the thursday or friday though the large police force thats around the house.

KINGVictor

later12 wrote: »

What was so bad about the grandmother having a partner?

There are two striking aspects to this: there is, mainly, the sad and chilling murder of a little girl, with culpability of those who were her own family, appointed whether by blood or by bond to be her guardian and protecter.

But then there's the other aspect: the nature of the cover-up. Hiding the body in the house (which seems to be a small council house), and the step-G/father giving terribly suspicious, defensive TV interviews at a time when the man is a blatant suspect?

It suggests that the demise of this little girl was not pre-meditated; nobody could be that stupid.

I dont think anyone is having a go at the Granny having a partner but its kind of weird having a partner that was once in a relationship with her own daughter. The guy is just 6 years older than her own daughter but then the Grandma got pregnant when she was 14. The family seems very dysfunctional altogether.

Personally, I suspect the Granny must have had a clue what went on but is just covering up or could have actually been part of the crime that obviously took place. It is all conjecture and speculation but it wont be surprising that a man that has slept with both mother and daughter will not find it distasteful to abuse the grand daughter. I just hope he is found before he kills himself or else the whole truth will never come out which would be very unfortunate really.

BigBrownBear

I reckon it was a Shannon Matthews type of thing.
Pretend she's gone missing....claim reward when found.
Have to wonder whether she was only killed in last couple of days cos I couldn't imagine a dead body not smelling after a week
All the above is total speculation and I feel so sorry for the innocent members of her family:(

paddy147

What did I say about the grandmother and her boyfriend being very cagey and dodgey looking from the very start?

I wonder where the body was hidden so that the police missed it in the 1st search of the house.

batistuta9

KINGVictor wrote: »

I dont think anyone is having a go at the Granny having a partner but its kind of weird having a partner that was once in a relationship with her own daughter. The guy is just 6 years older than her own daughter but then the Grandma got pregnant when she was 14. The family seems very dysfunctional altogether.

Personally, I suspect the Granny must have had a clue what went on but is just covering up or could have actually been part of the crime that obviously took place. It is all conjecture and speculation but it wont be surprising that a man that has slept with both mother and daughter will not find it distasteful to abuse the grand daughter. I just hope he is found before he kills himself or else the whole truth will never come out which would be very unfortunate really.

how the hell can you say that, it doesn't mean he's a paedophile/child abuser at all

pc7

Oh it's horrific, I couldn't believe they have found the body in the house, that poor little might. The fact the granny's boyfriend was with her and the mother it's making me wonder was he just with them to get near the child. I hope he dies roaring.
RIP Tia

Allyall

batistuta9 wrote: »

how the hell can you say that, it doesn't mean he's a paedophile/child abuser at all

I agree. Watching the video he came across more like he lost the rag with her, and i'd say her death was probably caused by violence.

Although, we'll have to wait and see..

Whatsernamex33

He's been arrested now...

DeadlyTwig

Has her mum been mentioned at all?

KINGVictor

batistuta9 wrote: »

how the hell can you say that, it doesn't mean he's a paedophile/child abuser at all

Not all all, hence the reason why i said it was conjecture and my personal opinion. I just would not trust a person with a very low or non existent moral compass

batistuta9

KINGVictor wrote: »

Not all all, hence the reason why i said it was conjecture and my personal opinion. I just would not trust a person with a very low or non existent moral compass

I'm sure plenty of men in the world have been with both a mother & daughter, would that make them child abusers too in your opinion?

cgpg5

Didn't take them long. Thought he'd try kill himself earlier in day. Bring him to justice

KINGVictor

batistuta9 wrote: »

I'm sure plenty of men in the world have been with both a mother & daughter, would that make them child abusers too in your opinion?

Plenty of men? I dont know of many- do you? but maybe perharps I am been naive. To answer your question, it certainly does not automatically make them child abusers.

batistuta9

so much for the whole innocent until proven guilty thing anyway

fasttalkerchat

I knew there was something not right about that case. Glad they found him and can bring him to justice.

KINGVictor

batistuta9 wrote: »

so much for the whole innocent until proven guilty thing anyway

Too true! But he has a lot of explaining to do after he said she went out of the house only for her dead body be found in the same house 7 days later. Anyways he is innocent until proven guilty.

batistuta9

KINGVictor wrote: »

Plenty of men? I dont know of many- do you? but maybe perharps I am been naive. To answer your question, it certainly does not automatically make them child abusers.

around 7 billion people in the world, say half of them men, to think it doesn't happen would be a bit naive i think.

i'd think i know at least one, you probably do too

seamus

chatterpillar wrote: »

So ... either the search teams were completely incompetent ... or they moved the body back into the house, from somewhere else?

Not necessarily. You probably wouldn't bring the dogs up into the attic, they'd never be able to climb one of those retractable stairs. And a single guy having a look around your average attic with a torch probably wouldn't notice one black sack as odd among the piles of crap most people have up there.

The house would already smell very strongly of the girl; the dogs are trained to pick up the specific scent of a corpse, which they wouldn't be able to get if it's in a bag in the attic.

Cantona's Collars

chatterpillar wrote: »

So ... either the search teams were completely incompetent ... or they moved the body back into the house, from somewhere else?

It seems that the police only interviewed the couple about the kids last known movements & were told she went to a shopping centre & never came back.
Later they examined the house forensically & found the body.

Without any suspicions of the guy they had no reason originally to search the house.

FloatingVoter

They've got him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19214970

fasttalkerchat

FloatingVoter wrote: »

They've got him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19214970

That's an update version of the same story. This happened around half 8.

Thargor

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19214964

So how can this NOT have been the first, most important suspicion in the minds of the Detectives in charge? A man gives a supposed 'last sighting' and his alibi which places him alone with the child, which is then refuted by his own father:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -home.html

'I woke up in the morning, I come downstairs, done my usual thing, let the dogs run around a bit as they're asleep in their beds, make myself a cup of coffee, had a cigarette, sat down, watched telly, just everyday things I guess.
'Sitting down here for about an hour, watching whatever rubbish is on, got up went to the kitchen, started putting stuff away, then Tia come downstairs
'Tia comes downstairs, round about half Ten, Eleven. She'd been going on about going to Croydon and getting up early. She come downstairs, sat down, watching telly, played the DS, she had toast, then wanted a sausage roll - she was always eating sausage rolls - then she doesn't take her washing up so I take it out.
'I start doing a bit of washing up, she was telling me what she was doing but I wasn't really logging it into my head. I cleaned the kitchen, then started sweeping up in here, then hoovering, I've hoovered the rug. Done all the hallway, had another cigarette, then gone upstairs done the washing made sure there's no washing. Went back upstairs & made the bed, come downstairs, by then Tia is coming upstairs to get changed, she was mumbling, I can't remember what about.
'As I was hoovering, she walked past me, from the front room to go out the front door and that's all I knew & she left her bloody phone on charge - I know because I'd told her to sit there and leave her phone on charge, cos I told her to not touch it just leave it there charging, but she just left it, she's responsible enough to go to Croydon herself, she knows buses & trams. She's done it all on her own, it was just an everyday thing but the one time you wanna bloody listen to her and you don't.
'she said uhh goodbye! And I said well make sure you're back at 6, she went "yeah yeah yeah" and that was it and the door closed and she walks out'

Notice the continual changes in tense; statement analysis indicates that the past tense is what actually occurred but the present is his poorly thought out lies poking through.

He also tried to debunk his father's statement:

"The account differs to that of Mr Hazell’s father Keith, who claimed earlier in the week that his son had said he had walked Tia to the tram stop.
Mr Hazell said: ‘My dad likes to drink. He’s got good intentions but he’s said everything back to front.
‘I didn’t take her to the tram stop, I met her at the tram stop. It’s not about me it’s about Tia. We have got to get her home. She’s got no problems at all, she’s a happy-go-lucky golden angel.'

Seriously, Grandmother and mother both shacking up with the guy? As the mother has also 'left the area' I'm almost inclined to suggest she knew that she was dead and got out of there as soon as she could to avoid blame. She'll have come over to ask where Tia was, and grandmother and skagfiend will have told her.

Also suspicious is the idea of that mangy chav cnut hoovering and picking up someones dishes and bringing them to the sink to wash up then going to check the washing machine for laundry, think he was just panicking at that stage, bet you any money the poor bitch will have been sexually assaulted

ArmaniJeanss

Difficult one for the police - if you turn the house upside down too early you risk alienating the family and the community whose help you need, and also send a signal out that you 'know' its a dead body you are looking for which stops the general public being on the lookout for the missing person.
Then if it turns out to be nothing to do with the family, they are accused of not keeping an open mind from the start, and putting the family through the mill of being under misplaced suspicion with everything else they had to deal with.

fasttalkerchat

Interesting to see how people's opinions change when its a working class family. Madeline McCann's father was never accused of sexual assault.

al28283

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Difficult one for the police - if you turn the house upside down too early you risk alienating the family and the community whose help you need, and also send a signal out that you 'know' its a dead body you are looking for which stops the general public being on the lookout for the missing person.
Then if it turns out to be nothing to do with the family, they are accused of not keeping an open mind from the start, and putting the family through the mill of being under misplaced suspicion with everything else they had to deal with.

True, all that business with how the McCann case was handled probably brought in new guidelines with regards to how the police deal with the family in cases like this, even though that was abroad.

Monty Burnz

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

Such a beautiful little girl , It must be heartbreaking for her parents thinking they could trust that monster with their little girl.:( My heart goes out to the family.

It's an awful thing to say, but given her dysfunctional background, she was probably only 3 or 4 years from becoming a mother herself.