Missing 12 year old in London

Duggys Housemate

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Interesting to see how people's opinions change when its a working class family. Madeline McCann's father was never accused of sexual assault.

On the internet? They were accused of a lot.

KINGVictor

batistuta9 wrote: »

around 7 billion people in the world, say half of them men, to think it doesn't happen would be a bit naive i think.

i'd think i know at least one, you probably do too

I never said it doesnt happen but I wont exactly classify it as "plenty of men", I would term it as rare occurences. Anyway I think I have explained that anyone who feels comfortable to sleep with both mother and daughter is not necessarily or automatically a child abuser.

I would suggest we just wait and see how the case unfolds now that he has been caught.

Shryke

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

Such a beautiful little girl , It must be heartbreaking for her parents thinking they could trust that monster with their little girl.:( My heart goes out to the family.

It's an awful thing to say, but given her dysfunctional background, she was probably only 3 or 4 years from becoming a mother herself.

Ah **** off.

The Big Red Button

Shryke wrote: »

Ah **** off.

Sure it's like the way that the child was referred to as a "poor bitch" a few posts up.

Were the little Soham girls ever called poor bitches?

Was Madeleine McCann ever referred to as a poor bitch?

It's a disgusting way of referring to a child. But, because of her background, somehow it's seen as acceptable?!

fasttalkerchat

chatterpillar wrote: »

Sure it's like the way that the child was referred to as a "poor bitch" a few posts up.

Were the little Soham girls ever called poor bitches?

Was Madeleine McCann ever referred to as a poor bitch?

It's a disgusting way of referring to a child. But, because of her background, somehow it's seen as acceptable?!

I got an infraction for calling a dole cheat with 10 kids to 5 men a slut a while back! Its after hours but still there was no need for it in this case.

foxy06

Nobody should refer to a possible dead child as a poor bitch.

Where is the mother now? Could that be her body? In saying that though I'd be fairly sure that poor girl is dead.

Monty Burnz

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Interesting to see how people's opinions change when its a working class family. Madeline McCann's father was never accused of sexual assault.

Uh oh, the socialist police have turned up.

Point of information: Madeline McCann's father was frequently accused of sexual assault.

Monty Burnz

Shryke wrote: »

Ah **** off.

Odd reaction. **** off yourself.

Monty Burnz

chatterpillar wrote: »

Sure it's like the way that the child was referred to as a "poor bitch" a few posts up.

Were the little Soham girls ever called poor bitches?

Was Madeleine McCann ever referred to as a poor bitch?

It's a disgusting way of referring to a child. But, because of her background, somehow it's seen as acceptable?!

It has nothing in common with that at all.

Thargor

chatterpillar wrote: »

Sure it's like the way that the child was referred to as a "poor bitch" a few posts up.

Were the little Soham girls ever called poor bitches?

Was Madeleine McCann ever referred to as a poor bitch?

It's a disgusting way of referring to a child. But, because of her background, somehow it's seen as acceptable?!

Ah **** off.

Miss Lockhart

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It's an awful thing to say, but given her dysfunctional background, she was probably only 3 or 4 years from becoming a mother herself.

What has it got to do with anything though? It's a completely irrelevant comment. Whether she would have had 4 kids by the time she was 17 is neither here nor there. She's been murdered.

Monty Burnz

Miss Lockhart wrote: »

What has it got to do with anything though? It's a completely irrelevant comment. Whether she would have had 4 kids by the time she was 17 is neither here nor there. She's been murdered.

This is a discussion forum. I was making an observation about her dysfunctional background. You know, the same background that seems to have led to her murder.

Jeez, I wish people would engage their brains for a second before mounting their high horses and racing for the high (outraged) moral ground to prove to themselves and everyone else what a truly good person they are.

humanji

Keep it civil, people.

Teyla Emmagan

Terribly sad, that's all. Poor kid. None of us choose where we are born.

Monty Burnz

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Terribly sad, that's all. Poor kid. None of us choose where we are born.

Indeed.

On a moderating point, perhaps it would make sense to open an RIP thread for comments such as Teyla's? This thread up to this point has been oriented around discussing the case and we've already seen people get inappropriately censorious about what is posted here.

BornToKill

Can we all get along?

Monty Burnz

BornToKill wrote: »

Can we all get along?

It's tricky enough when people are firing insults at you without good reason, as if in their minds it's a blow struck against whoever murdered Tia.

ladypip

Whatever about her stepfather,grandmother and mother and their guilt.

Id imagine her entire extended family are sick to think they had spent the week basing their hunt from that house, when she lay dead right above them.

Her uncle was defending the step grandfather the entire time, im sure he is seething.

Poor Girl, I hope she didnt suffer and it was an argument that went wrong not something like abuse that was ongoing.

Shryke

Monty Burnz wrote: »

BornToKill wrote: »

Can we all get along?

It's tricky enough when people are firing insults at you without good reason, as if in their minds it's a blow struck against whoever murdered Tia.

You made a rotten comment and now you're being pathetic, and what I said wasn't an insult, it was advice.

GT_TDI_150

Mocha Joe wrote: »

Another gold medal for GB..........................in hide and seek.

Now a body has been discovered, you must be so proud of that comment!

Monty Burnz

Shryke wrote: »

You made a rotten comment and now you're being pathetic, and what I said wasn't an insult, it was advice.

Can you explain what was wrong with the observation? Do you think it was wildly inaccurate?

I'm treating your post with rather more respect than it merits, but I'm sort of hoping you are here to discuss stuff rather than just to play 'holier than thou'.

fasttalkerchat

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It's tricky enough when people are firing insults at you without good reason, as if in their minds it's a blow struck against whoever murdered Tia.

You insulted the young girl directly, what was your excuse?

Think before you post in future!

Monty Burnz

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

You insulted the young girl directly, what was your excuse?

How did I insult her, exactly? I think the answer will tell us a lot about your values.

fasttalkerchat

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

Now a body has been discovered, you must be so proud of that comment!

In fairness, at the time that joke was made this looked to be a Shannon Mathews case. That being said, the poster should have known not to make that sort of joke while she was missing.

fasttalkerchat

Monty Burnz wrote: »

How did I insult her, exactly? I think the answer will tell us a lot about your values.

If someone said it about your sister you would take it as an insult.



In terms of my values, if someone chooses to have kids underage that is their choice, but not one I would choose myself. You implying that this 12 year old would have fallen into that category if she had lived was totally unwarranted and I saw it as an insult.

Monty Burnz

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

If someone said it about your sister you would take it as an insult.

Said what? That it was probable that she would have children at an age similar to her mother and grandmother? I wouldn't be insulted at all.

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

In terms of my values, if someone chooses to have kids underage that is their choice, but not one I would choose myself.

Wow, we totally agree.

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

You implying that this 12 year old would have fallen into that category if she had lived was totally unwarranted and I saw it as an insult.

Ah, so you saw it as an insult. Well I didn't see it as an insult, and didn't intend it as such.

The only reason I can see that people would assume that I did is that, as I said, it gives them an opportunity to lash out at someone over a tragedy they are otherwise powerless to address.

Shelli2

Has the body been identified yet? Is it possible that the reason the police didn't find it was because it wasn't there because it's not her, the mother is now missing, it could be the body of the mother and he's done a bunk after killing her? Long shot I know.

Monty Burnz

Shelli2 wrote: »

Has the body been identified yet? Is it possible that the reason the police didn't find it was because it wasn't there because it's not her, the mother is now missing, it could be the body of the mother and he's done a bunk after killing her? Long shot I know.

Is the mother actually missing? I thought she had just gotten out of the family home to escape the press?

Scioch

Monty Burnz wrote: »

The only reason I can see that people would assume that I did is that, as I said, it gives them an opportunity to lash out at someone over a tragedy they are otherwise powerless to address.

You chose to say what you did in reply to a post saying she was beautiful and her parents must be devastated.

Why would you feel the need to make a point of saying a murdered 12 year old would probably have been having sex and getting pregnant young because her background was dysfunctional ?

It has no relevance to the case or discussion. All it does it come across as needlessly insensitive.

later12

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Can you explain what was wrong with the observation? Do you think it was wildly inaccurate?

You said yourself it was an "awful thing to say".

Clearly you yourself made a negative observation of your utterly un-knowable comment. So why say it? For the reaction, is it?

Monty Burnz

Scioch wrote: »

You chose to say what you did in reply to a post saying she was beautiful and her parents must be devastated.

I said it in response to a post saying that she was a young 12 year old. It occurred to me that her mother and grand mother started to have children only a few years after that.

Scioch wrote: »

Why would you feel the need to make a point of saying a murdered 12 year old would probably have been having sex and getting pregnant young because her background was dysfunctional ?

Probably for the same reason that you feel the need to get up on your high horse - just struggling to make sense of a child's murder.

Scioch wrote: »

It has no relevance to the case or discussion. All it does it come across as needlessly insensitive.

You think that her dysfunctional family background has nothing to do with the case? Ok. We'll see I guess.

Monty Burnz

later12 wrote: »

You said yourself it was an "awful thing to say".

It's a figure of speech where I come from.

later12 wrote: »

Clearly you yourself made a negative observation of your utterly un-knowable comment. So why say it? For the reaction, is it?

Yes, I love to have people jumping down my throat on discussion forums as if I personally had a hand in the girl's death. It's great. :rolleyes:

Shelli2

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Is the mother actually missing? I thought she had just gotten out of the family home to escape the press?

I could be totally wrong, just got the impression she had gone walk abouts too.

Scioch

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I said it in response to a post saying that she was a young 12 year old. It occurred to me that her mother and grand mother started to have children only a few years after that.

No you said it in response to a post saying she was a beautiful little girl. So it was utterly irrelevant for any purpose other than to contradict the description of beautiful little girl. Why you felt the need to do that I have no idea.

Probably for the same reason that you feel the need to get up on your high horse - just struggling to make sense of a child's murder.

Nobody is on any horses, just looks that way cos you've dug yourself into a hole.

You think that her dysfunctional family background has nothing to do with the case? Ok. We'll see I guess.

No I think her possible sexual habits in 3-4 years time is irrelevant seeing as she's dead at 12 years of age.

later12

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It's a figure of speech where I come from.

And what does it's an awful thing to say mean, where you come from, if not it's an awful thing to say?

Backward speak is it?

Yes, I love to have people jumping down my throat on discussion forums

I don't find that particularly hard to believe. Some people get a kick out of adverse reactions when they say things they believe are awful things to say.

Nodin

Monty Burnz wrote: »

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Probably for the same reason that you feel the need to get up on your high horse - just struggling to make sense of a child's murder.
..............

O.

How does speculating about what the child might have done if she'd lived help "make sense of a child's murder"?

Monty Burnz

Scioch wrote: »

No you said it in response to a post saying she was a beautiful little girl. So it was utterly irrelevant for any purpose other than to contradict the description of beautiful little girl. Why you felt the need to do that I have no idea.

I have explained it enough times already. Cherry-picking parts of the post I replied to and ascribing motives to me that you can't possibly know makes your post look rather foolish.

I suggest you read my posts repeatedly until you understand them. Failing that, ask someone else to explain it to you because I am done.

shampoosuicide

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I have explained it enough times already. Cherry-picking parts of the post I replied to and ascribing motives to me that you can't possibly know makes your post look rather foolish.

I suggest you read my posts repeatedly until you understand them. Failing that, ask someone else to explain it to you because I am done.

please go away.

Monty Burnz

shampoosuicide wrote: »

please go away.

Um...no thanks. How about you?

By the way, as someone who has known several victims of suicide, I find your username highly offensive.

Shryke

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I have explained it enough times already. Cherry-picking parts of the post I replied to and ascribing motives to me that you can't possibly know makes your post look rather foolish.

I suggest you read my posts repeatedly until you understand them. Failing that, ask someone else to explain it to you because I am done.

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It's tricky enough when people are firing insults at you without good reason, as if in their minds it's a blow struck against whoever murdered Tia.

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Nodin

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Um...no (..............) offensive.

That's nice.

How does speculating about what the child might have done if she'd lived help "make sense of a child's murder"?

Monty Burnz

Shryke wrote: »

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Please note the use of the term 'as if'.

SocSocPol

This thread has been totally derailed by the personal insult battle of two posters, time to call a halt, and get back on track OR just lock the thread, Tia deserves better!

Shryke

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Please note the use of the term 'as if'.

LOL. I'm noting all sorts of things.

Monty Burnz

SocSocPol wrote: »

This thread has been totally derailed by the personal insult battle of two posters, time to call a halt, and get back on track OR just lock the thread, Tia deserves better!

I did suggest the creation of an RIP thread for expressions of condolence, but those who are fighting an imaginary battle to defend her honour here don't appear to be arsed to take 10 seconds to start such a thread.

shampoosuicide

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Um...no thanks. How about you?

By the way, as someone who has known several victims of suicide, I find your username highly offensive.

you do seem like a sensitive type. seriously though, you've wound up people, good job, please go away now and stop dragging it out? good lad.

Monty Burnz

shampoosuicide wrote: »

you do seem like a sensitive type. seriously though, you've wound up people, good job, please go away now and stop dragging it out? good lad.

I'm sure those affected by suicide are equally wound up by your choice of username. I'll stop posting here as soon as you change it.

Fluffycloud

Insensitive and belittling name. Have you any cop on at all?

opti76

SocSocPol wrote: »

This thread has been totally derailed by the personal insult battle of two posters, time to call a halt, and get back on track OR just lock the thread, Tia deserves better!

she deserves better than to be discussed on an internet forum????
jesus christ save us all.

Fluffycloud

I totally !!! Poor girl. Rip