Missing 12 year old in London

Stheno

Fluffycloud wrote: »

I totally !!! Poor girl. Rip

You totally what?

Fluffycloud

Night night.. Falling asleep. Please God justice will be done for poor Tia. Rip.

Fluffycloud

Its one o clock where I am. Typo. Sorry, meant to say I agree that Tia should get the respect she deserves.

fasttalkerchat

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I'm sure those affected by suicide are equally wound up by your choice of username. I'll stop posting here as soon as you change it.

A friend of mine was caught in a clock mechanism between two cogs and died tragically. I detest your "wound up" comment and would like it if you could desist from posting here.

shampoosuicide

Fluffycloud wrote: »

Insensitive and belittling name. Have you any cop on at all?

it's a great song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeLCjg7MX0c

i'll change it if it's bothering you.

fasttalkerchat

shampoosuicide wrote: »

it's a great song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeLCjg7MX0c

i'll change it if it's bothering you.

You can't change names on boards without paying the owner or making a new account.

Monty Burnz

shampoosuicide wrote: »

it's a great song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeLCjg7MX0c

i'll change it if it's bothering you.

I'm sure you had no intention of insulting or offending anyone when you chose your username. It would be nice, however, if you were slower to think the worst of others.

shampoosuicide

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

You can't change names on boards without paying the owner or making a new account.

yeah i know. this thread's going to be locked soon, isn't it?

shampoosuicide

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I'm sure you had no intention of insulting or offending anyone when you chose your username. It would be nice, however, if you were slower to think the worst of others.

i wasn't talking to you.

KKkitty

While some of ye are belittling this young girl's death with your petty arguing think of all the milestones you've reached that Tia won't.

fasttalkerchat

shampoosuicide wrote: »

yeah i know. this thread's going to be locked soon, isn't it?

I would hope so. It isn't befitting of a RIP thread for a young girl. Actually I momentarily forgot the topic during replies myself.

Monty Burnz

Getting back to the case:

Mr Basu said: "Our priority is to support the family of Tia at this distressing time and identify the body, which has been discovered, as quickly as possible.

"When Tia was first reported missing, officers searched her bedroom, as is normal practice in a missing persons inquiry.

"A further search of the house took place in the early hours of Sunday morning by a specialist team.


"This was then followed by another search of the house by specialist dogs on Wednesday lunchtime.

"What we now need to establish is how long the body had been in the place where it was found."

It seems the police are not ruling out the possibility that the girl was murdered after she was reported missing, or her body was moved into the house after the initial searches - which would imply a fair amount of calculation on the part of the killer.

later12

Lets get back on track.

BBC reported that the body is understood to have been found within the house.

Kind of makes the whole search a little more farcical.

I know someone something earlier to the effect of "yeah but the police dogs couldn't pick up a scent in the attic" but like, is it really that much of a massive demand to search the attic?

How big can this house be?

Monty Burnz

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I would hope so. It isn't befitting of a RIP thread for a young girl. Actually I momentarily forgot the topic during replies myself.

This isn't an RIP thread though, it's a thread discussing the disappearance. I've repeatedly suggested starting an RIP thread, but nobody has.

nbar12

devastated for her poor parents, family and friends. I knew that step grandfather had something to do with it when I seen him on the tv! he looked like a right scroatbag! why wasn't he questioned immediately? sick bastard hope he's locked up and tortured for life

INEEDANID

Monty Burnz wrote: »

This isn't an RIP thread though, it's a thread discussing the disappearance. I've repeatedly suggested starting an RIP thread, but nobody has.

Monty just leave it, no one agrees with you.

Why should you care so much!

djh2009

Britain seems to have more than its fair share of these types of cases and especially England. Any ideas why this might be ?

Monty Burnz

INEEDANID wrote: »

Monty just leave it, no one agrees with you.

What are you talking about? Nobody agrees that there should be an RIP thread?

INEEDANID wrote: »

Why should you care so much!

I don't care about RIP threads - I just don't see the point. But other people like to express their condolences, and they should be allowed to if they want.

Monty Burnz

djh2009 wrote: »

Britain seems to have more than its fair share of these types of cases and especially England. Any ideas why this might be ?

I think it happens everywhere, but of course we hear about the British cases most as we are exposed to their media more than anywhere else. You might recall the case of Marc Dutroux in Belgium for example - but if you don't, do yourself a favour and don't look it up. It's abysmal.

Sir_Name

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Getting back to the case:

Mr Basu said: "Our priority is to support the family of Tia at this distressing time and identify the body, which has been discovered, as quickly as possible.

"When Tia was first reported missing, officers searched her bedroom, as is normal practice in a missing persons inquiry.

"A further search of the house took place in the early hours of Sunday morning by a specialist team.


"This was then followed by another search of the house by specialist dogs on Wednesday lunchtime.

"What we now need to establish is how long the body had been in the place where it was found."

It seems the police are not ruling out the possibility that the girl was murdered after she was reported missing, or her body was moved into the house after the initial searches - which would imply a fair amount of calculation on the part of the killer.

^this

I have been following this case and thought it quite odd that her mother went awol. As far as I know her grandmother didn't even know where she was. I believe there is more than just the step father who is guilty. Be it by assistance or ommission...

INEEDANID

Monty Burnz wrote: »

What are you talking about? Nobody agrees that there should be an RIP thread?

I don't care about RIP threads - I just don't see the point. But other people like to express their condolences, and they should be allowed to if they want.

Nobody agrees with your posts in general.

Feel free to continue with trying to turn every post against the poster.

I'm not replying after this comment, the thread is not about me or you.

girl in the striped socks

Monty Burnz wrote: »

INEEDANID wrote: »

Monty just leave it, no one agrees with you.

What are you talking about? Nobody agrees that there should be an RIP thread?

INEEDANID wrote: »

Why should you care so much!

I don't care about RIP threads - I just don't see the point. But other people like to express their condolences, and they should be allowed to if they want.

I think I can speak for a lot of people when I ask, can ye just stfu? Please?
Send each other pm if you want to continue the argument.

Monty Burnz

girl in the striped socks wrote: »

I think I can speak for a lot of people when I ask, can ye just stfu? Please?
Send each other pm if you want to continue the argument.

And also perhaps people could send us PMs to tell us all to shut up rather than adding to the derailing of the thread?

KKkitty

Monty Burnz wrote: »

INEEDANID wrote: »

Monty just leave it, no one agrees with you.

What are you talking about? Nobody agrees that there should be an RIP thread?

INEEDANID wrote: »

Why should you care so much!

I don't care about RIP threads - I just don't see the point. But other people like to express their condolences, and they should be allowed to if they want.

Monty a young girl has been murdered so remember that please. It's a sad time for humanity as a whole really when a girl of her age wasn't safe from this.

Monty Burnz

Deanov wrote: »

^this

I have been following this case and thought it quite odd that her mother went awol. As far as I know her grandmother didn't even know where she was. I believe there is more than just the step father who is guilty. Be it by assistance or ommission...

It does look rather fishy, and not even in retrospect.

Monty Burnz

KKkitty wrote: »

Monty a young girl has been murdered so remember that please. It's a sad time for humanity as a whole really when a girl of her age wasn't safe from this.

Seriously, what is your point? I'm very, very aware that a girl has been murdered, and it's a tragedy.

Sir_Name

Monty Burnz wrote: »

girl in the striped socks wrote: »

I think I can speak for a lot of people when I ask, can ye just stfu? Please?
Send each other pm if you want to continue the argument.

And also perhaps people could send us PMs to tell us all to shut up rather than adding to the derailing of the thread?

Done!

emo72

why would a mother go missing when her daughter is missing? i missed a lot of the news last week, but the reported facts in this case are bizarre.

girl in the striped socks

Monty Burnz wrote: »

girl in the striped socks wrote: »

I think I can speak for a lot of people when I ask, can ye just stfu? Please?
Send each other pm if you want to continue the argument.

And also perhaps people could send us PMs to tell us all to shut up rather than adding to the derailing of the thread?

Well I'm not a mod so no I don't think it's my place to send pm to people having a silly disagreement that's taking a thread off it's tracks.
However there is a 12 year old child dead tonight. Her family may or may not see this thread.
Regardless I think a small bit of decorum is in need.

Monty Burnz

emo72 wrote: »

why would a mother go missing when her daughter is missing? i missed a lot of the news last week, but the reported facts in this case are bizarre.

I'm trying to find the date that it was reported that the mother headed off, with no luck - does anyone know when she left?

This was reported in the Telegraph on the 6th, so the words may be from the 5th:

Miss Sharp also said a witness had seen the 12-year-old leave the house on her own on Friday, despite contradictory reports that she had walked to the tram station with her grandmother's boyfriend.
She said: "I have an independent witness that she left on her own walking down the road."

'She' had a witness? Independent from whom?

KKkitty

Monty Burnz wrote: »

KKkitty wrote: »

Monty a young girl has been murdered so remember that please. It's a sad time for humanity as a whole really when a girl of her age wasn't safe from this.

Seriously, what is your point? I'm very, very aware that a girl has been murdered, and it's a tragedy.

You've derailed this thread more than once already. A lot of things don't add up here. Any mother would not go awol while her child is missing for a start. The dysfunctional family is worrying. Would the police not have performed a more thorough search of the house too.

Micky Dolenz

Mod

Next poster to continue with off topic nonsense will be banned.

Sir_Name

KKkitty wrote: »

Monty Burnz wrote: »

KKkitty wrote: »

Monty a young girl has been murdered so remember that please. It's a sad time for humanity as a whole really when a girl of her age wasn't safe from this.

Seriously, what is your point? I'm very, very aware that a girl has been murdered, and it's a tragedy.

You've derailed this thread more than once already. A lot of things don't add up here. Any mother would not go awol while her child is missing for a start. The dysfunctional family is worrying. Would the police not have performed a more thorough search of the house too.

I have a feeling perhaps in the beginning the police believed she was alive. This could be why the guys who worked on the Shannon Matthews case were brought in.
That would probably have deterred them from arresting him earlier. Maybe they thought she was holed up elsewhere.

ArmaniJeanss

later12 wrote: »

Kind of makes the whole search a little more farcical.

I know someone something earlier to the effect of "yeah but the police dogs couldn't pick up a scent in the attic" but like, is it really that much of a massive demand to search the attic?

How big can this house be?

KKkitty wrote: »

Would the police not have performed a more thorough search of the house too.

Once the police start doing such a thorough search they have leaped into a 'shes dead and a family member is guilty' investigation. Hard to keep telling the community to keep a look out etc when you do this.

I'd say the first search was of the 'try to find her diary and see whats on the computer' variety. And the second one was probably more thorough but still letting on to the family that its routine ; whilst the third search was clearly a 'turn the house upside down if necessary' search when it became likely that a certain individual was responsible.

From the police pov it's probably the way it has to be done - take the family at face value at the start and put maximum resources into the 'she walked down the lane towards the woods' angle of the investigation.

KKkitty

It's one of those those things that's completely beyond comprehension as to why it happens. It definitely doesn't beg thinking what her last moments were like Please god whoever did it gets their comeuppance.

Monty Burnz

Deanov wrote: »

I have a feeling perhaps in the beginning the police believed she was alive. This could be why the guys who worked on the Shannon Matthews case were brought in.
That would probably have deterred them from arresting him earlier. Maybe they thought she was holed up elsewhere.

Good point. There is the rather horrible possibility that she was initially abducted and later killed after the police searched the house. I've no idea though how he would have gotten her body into the house after the initial searches, which suggests that the police just didn't do a thorough enough job first time around.

On a side note, it's funny how we all fear strangers harming our children, whereas in reality they are at greatest risk from their own families.

girl in the striped socks

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Deanov wrote: »

I have a feeling perhaps in the beginning the police believed she was alive. This could be why the guys who worked on the Shannon Matthews case were brought in.
That would probably have deterred them from arresting him earlier. Maybe they thought she was holed up elsewhere.

Good point. There is the rather horrible possibility that she was initially abducted and later killed after the police searched the house. I've no idea though how he would have gotten her body into the house after the initial searches, which suggests that the police just didn't do a thorough enough job first time around.

On a side note, it's funny how we all fear strangers harming our children, whereas in reality they are at greatest risk from their own families.

How could she have been killed elsewhere & then brought back to the house after the police searched it?
I imagine anyone going in or out of the house would be watched, even from a distance. So how does someone smuggle a 12 year old into the house without being caught?

later12

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Once the police start doing such a thorough search they have leaped into a 'shes dead and a family member is guilty' investigation. Hard to keep telling the community to keep a look out etc when you do this.

Sure; but if her body was in the house, that means the girl could have been (unlikely, but in the initial stages) alive & hiding in the house.

Sadly, that was not the case, but you would have thought the attic & associated spaces would have been checked thoroughly.

People on boards have been saying, and the media have been suggesting a culpability on the part of the girl's step-grandfather for days now. Surely the police had these fears when they sent in the sniffer dogs; how nothing was found in that little house is beyond me.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter now. She was probably dead all along. Just the minor details for strangers to debate before we get on with our lives...

Monty Burnz

girl in the striped socks wrote: »

How could she have been killed elsewhere & then brought back to the house after the police searched it?
I imagine anyone going in or out of the house would be watched, even from a distance. So how does someone smuggle a 12 year old into the house without being caught?

I've no idea. That's why I said:

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I've no idea though how he would have gotten her body into the house after the initial searches, which suggests that the police just didn't do a thorough enough job first time around.

Another problem with that line of thought would be that she would have to have been held captive somewhere else - where? So it seems that the balance of probabilities suggests that she was already in the house for the first couple of police searches.

girl in the striped socks

Monty Burnz wrote: »

girl in the striped socks wrote: »

How could she have been killed elsewhere & then brought back to the house after the police searched it?
I imagine anyone going in or out of the house would be watched, even from a distance. So how does someone smuggle a 12 year old into the house without being caught?

I've no idea. That's why I said:

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I've no idea though how he would have gotten her body into the house after the initial searches, which suggests that the police just didn't do a thorough enough job first time around.

Another problem with that line of thought would be that she would have to have been held captive somewhere else - where? So it seems that the balance of probabilities suggests that she was already in the house for the first couple of police searches.

Columbo & Jessica fletcher has nothing on us!
I suppose until the police got one or two dogs to react they had to wait. Things started rolling after the dogs were brought in.
Poor girl.

paddy147

That housing estate is a bit unusual...in the fact that you have to walk down a long laneway to go into the "front" of your house.

Where woud you park your car then???

paddy147

According to the Sun Newspaper..the girls body was hidden up in the attic of the grandmothers house.

And after 3 seperate searchs of the house,the police failed to see it.

Bizzare or what??

Jimoslimos

paddy147 wrote: »

That housing estate is a bit unusual...in the fact that you have to walk down a long laneway to go into the "front" of your house.

Where woud you park your car then???

Usually in that type of set-up there's a laneway round the back

later12

paddy147 wrote: »

That housing estate is a bit unusual...in the fact that you have to walk down a long laneway to go into the "front" of your house.

Where woud you park your car then???

Good question Paddy.

But hardly the most pressing issue in this affair!

paddy147

later12 wrote: »

Good question Paddy.

But hardly the most pressing issue in this affair!

Well it might be...if the investigation goes that way,with regards peoples movements.

brummytom

paddy147 wrote: »

That housing estate is a bit unusual...in the fact that you have to walk down a long laneway to go into the "front" of your house.

Where woud you park your car then???

From some of the neighbours I've seen interviewed, I wouldn't be surprised if there are more horses than cars there.

Allyall

They are saying they can access neighbours' lofts from their own. So maybe her body was in a neighbours loft for a day or two..

The Police still haven't announced (to my knowledge) that the body was found in the loft (attic).

paddy147

Allyall wrote: »

They are saying they can access neighbours' lofts from their own. So maybe her body was in a neighbours loft for a day or two..

The Police still haven't announced (to my knowledge) that the body was found in the loft (attic).

Yep,in certain houses and housing estates,the way the roofs are built means that some houses have a "shared attic" space.

Theres a divider,but its more or less non existant.

Your neighbour could actually enter your attic space,if they really wanted to.:eek:

Heckler

paddy147 wrote: »

Yep,in certain houses and housing estates,the way the roofs are built means that some houses have a "shared attic" space.

Theres a divider,but its more or less non existant.

Your neighbour could actually enter your attic space,if they really wanted to.:eek:

Tis like something from a Mo Hayden
novel. Horrific. Hopefully the police are granted some powers in the future i.e. child goes missing, tear the house apart first and damn the families feelings. 9 outta 10 times its someone related. Too much pussyfooting around on this one it seems to me.

fasttalkerchat

Heckler wrote: »

Tis like something from a Mo Hayden
novel. Horrific. Hopefully the police are granted some powers in the future i.e. child goes missing, tear the house apart first and damn the families feelings. 9 outta 10 times its someone related. Too much pussyfooting around on this one it seems to me.

If they had torn apart the family home in many cases the family would be less co-operative. As soon as an uncle is arrested they will see it as the second attack on the family.