welfare tourist gets off the hook

Fuinseog

A lithuanian who was defrauding the state was ordered to leave Ireland. its hardly a punishment for him as he is living abroad already. giving out relaxed attititude towards checking passports he will probably come back again anyway. he should have been jailed as an example to others.


http://www.independent.ie/national-news/lithuanian-in-welfare-tourism-scam-ordered-to-leave-country-3195912.html

Hoe does it work anyway? do they fly in once a week or once a month. i think in some cases the money is paid into an Irish bank account.

Fishooks12

hurrrrrr weeeeee goooooo

the groutch

Dey tuk ar dole!!!

saiint

So did they pay for his flight home?

i heard he got a free pram too

SteelyDanJalapeno

Quick someone call joe

allibastor

to be fair, it is a big problem. It is being cut down on now, but back a few years ago, in areas where people lived between catchment areas they were only required to come into the dole office every 3 months, but had to post in a signature every month. they just had a few people left in the country while the rest went home. dole collected and all forms sent off.

saying that the ash cloud was the best thing for the dole, loads of people who could not get home to sign on were caught out.

Fuinseog

saiint wrote: »

So did they pay for his flight home?

presumably

Fuinseog

bluewolf wrote: »

i heard he got a free pram too

take a hike if you have no contribution to make. its a simple thread in order to find out how the process works.
if the loophole is obvious then it should be tightened.

Fuinseog

Fishooks12 wrote: »

hurrrrrr weeeeee goooooo

ditto

starbelgrade

Fuinseog wrote: »

take a hike if you have no contribution to make. its a simple thread in order to find out how the process works.
if the loophole is obvious then it should be tightened.

And what's your contribution? Another dole thread in AH? Whoop-dee-fucking doo.

If you want to find out how the process actually works, why not try the State Benefits forum?

Fuinseog

allibastor wrote: »

to be fair, it is a big problem. It is being cut down on now, but back a few years ago, in areas where people lived between catchment areas they were only required to come into the dole office every 3 months, but had to post in a signature every month. they just had a few people left in the country while the rest went home. dole collected and all forms sent off.

saying that the ash cloud was the best thing for the dole, loads of people who could not get home to sign on were caught out.

I remember being unemployed in a another EU member state and they made it as difficult as possible to get anything. here it seems to be relatively easy.

Fuinseog

starbelgrade wrote: »

And what's your contribution? Another dole thread in AH? Whoop-dee-fucking doo.

If you want to find out how the process actually works, why not try the State Benefits forum?

was not aware thee was such a forum. AH is designed for pisstaking but some folk make constructive and informed contributions here as well.

starbelgrade

Fuinseog wrote: »

was not aware thee was such a forum. AH is designed for pisstaking but some folk make constructive and informed contributions here as well.

Well, if you know that it's designed for pisstaking, then you should know better than to get the hump when someone takes the piss.

scholar007

Fuinseog wrote: »

was not aware thee was such a forum. AH is designed for pisstaking but some folk make constructive and informed contributions here as well.

Well said - Well said!

Fuinseog

Fuinseog wrote: »

take a hike if you have no contribution to make. its a simple thread in order to find out how the process works.
if the loophole is obvious then it should be tightened.

I did make a contribution, it was a joke.

And since you know AH is for pisstaking, maybe you should stop having a fit about it

Faolchu

Fuinseog wrote: »

here it seems to be relatively easy.

unless youre irish

Bartyman

Faolchu wrote: »

unless youre irish

OH signed on for a year and had to go to the post office every Friday to collect, this was after 27 years working and only got the dole for a year.

Fishooks12

starbelgrade wrote: »

And what's your contribution? Another dole thread in AH? Whoop-dee-fucking doo.

If you want to find out how the process actually works, why not try the State Benefits forum?

burned!

odds_on

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuinseog View Post
here it seems to be relatively easy.
unless youre irish

exactly: 100% spot on...

Cee-Jay-Cee

Proper order that they sent the kunt home, it'd cost over a grand a week to keep him in prison here.

allibastor

Fuinseog wrote: »

I remember being unemployed in a another EU member state and they made it as difficult as possible to get anything. here it seems to be relatively easy.

most other states do make it hard, they have the attitude that the welfare should be to help its own citizens and not some lad of the boat. over here we are just to happy to say that it should be given freely. we are way to easy on all the soft cases here.

try getting the dole in Nigeria, or Poland and see what happens.

Jesus Shaves

Free pram, communion paid for, free appliances, rent gets paid, free cheese, free travel, free electricity units, free phone line rental, dole scrounging lazy bum, get a job, 15%

Did I miss any?

Fuinseog

Bartyman wrote: »

OH signed on for a year and had to go to the post office every Friday to collect, this was after 27 years working and only got the dole for a year.

I think in some cases its paid directly into your Irish bank account.

people are hardly flying over once a week?

Fuinseog

CJC999 wrote: »

Proper order that they sent the kunt home, it'd cost over a grand a week to keep him in prison here.

he was going home anyway as he was not resident here so it makes the sentence all the more ridiculous.

Fuinseog

odds_on wrote: »

exactly: 100% spot on...

i did not say unless youre Irish

DebDynamite

2 things in this story don't add up for me.

1. Do you not have to sign on every week now? If that was the case, surely the cost of his weekly flights in and out of the country would cancel out his welfare payments?

2. If he's Lithuanian, can't he just fly back into the Ireland whenever he wants, given the fact Lithuania is an EU country?

suicide_circus

Fuinseog wrote: »

was not aware thee was such a forum. AH is designed for pisstaking but some folk make constructive and informed contributions here as well.

This is AH so you can't make negative comments about foreign nationals defrauding the state without some numpty taking the piss out of you. Lesson learned.

JohnMarston

This thread will end well, as do all dole threads

SocSocPol

Fuinseog wrote: »

presumably

Presumably not unless you have evidence to the contrary.

SocSocPol

Fuinseog wrote: »

I think in some cases its paid directly into your Irish bank account.

people are hardly flying over once a week?

Not paid into bank accounts any more, UA and UB have not been paid into bank accounts in the last few years.

www.welfare.ie/en/Forms/Documents/eft.pdf

From that link.

Jobseeker’s Payments
Please note Jobseeker’s Payments are not normally paid into a Bank Account.

Biggins

the groutch wrote: »

Dey tuk ar dole!!!

They got tired of the swans?

dodderangler

the groutch wrote: »

Dey tuk ar dole!!!

Durka durr!!

Chuck Stone

Bloody arab traveller single mums coming over here eating our free cheese and robbing our cats.

Tym

A lithuanian who was defrauding the state

Hmmm, wonder how many Irish people defraud the state...

IrishAm

Has Killian Forde not issued a press release yet?

Not like him.

Lawrence1895

DebDynamite wrote: »

2 things in this story don't add up for me.

1. Do you not have to sign on every week now? If that was the case, surely the cost of his weekly flights in and out of the country would cancel out his welfare payments?

2. If he's Lithuanian, can't he just fly back into the Ireland whenever he wants, given the fact Lithuania is an EU country?

Member state of the EU and full member of the Schengen Agreement. So he can roam around without restrictions, unless he has to face criminal prosecutions in his home country

phasers

DebDynamite wrote: »

2 things in this story don't add up for me.

1. Do you not have to sign on every week now? If that was the case, surely the cost of his weekly flights in and out of the country would cancel out his welfare payments?

2. If he's Lithuanian, can't he just fly back into the Ireland whenever he wants, given the fact Lithuania is an EU country?

The people in the Dole office don't give a toss who signs the thing in fairness, they don't ask for ID and there's no photo on the card.


Ehhhh also rabble rabble kill them all we should become an island fortress with no foridners allowed

Tombi!

Depends on how much he was getting. Surely 188 a week isn't enough to come over once a week is it?

I get if he was in the UK, it's something like 20 pounds on the boat to hollyhead but if he was claiming multiple IDs I can understand it.

By the by... anyone want to give me some advice on how to set up multiple IDs so I can get more than 188 a week?

phasers wrote: »

The people in the Dole office don't give a toss who signs the thing in fairness, they don't ask for ID and there's no photo on the card.


Ehhhh also rabble rabble kill them all we should become an island fortress with no foridners allowed

I think they changed it up. At least they have for me in the last 4 or 5 months. You have to sign an eletric thing but I dunno what it's supposed to do. And actually yeah, that's the weird thing. They never once asmed for photo ID after starting the claim. And even then, I didn't have ID so I used my birth cert (the one that says I was born in Ireland).

phasers

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

By the by... anyone want to give me some advice on how to set up multiple IDs so I can get more than 188 a week?

You're welcome

B.A._Baracus

I imagine the process is the same, or similar to what a guy I know did two years ago (He is irish by the way)

He was living in Brazil for 6 months and one of his mates was signing in for him/collecting the money. Then would western union the money over (I assume he was throwing the mate a couple of quid for his troubles, but didnt ask that)

As for these welfare tourists they pretty much do the same. Go over to ireland. get pps number. go on social and either come back once every sign in day or get someone over here to sign in for you...

end of the road

Fuinseog wrote: »

he should have been jailed as an example to others.

no, he should have been jaild for commiting a crime (fraud) jailing people as an example to others or to deter is no reason as it doesn't work anyway.

ShadowHearth

DebDynamite wrote: »

2 things in this story don't add up for me.

1. Do you not have to sign on every week now? If that was the case, surely the cost of his weekly flights in and out of the country would cancel out his welfare payments?

2. If he's Lithuanian, can't he just fly back into the Ireland whenever he wants, given the fact Lithuania is an EU country?

That is a good question.

I am Lithuanian myself. ( I presume I did a mistake by saying this, because I will get hanged here now ) . As a Lithuanian I can enter or exit any eu country with no extra check ups. I travel in to Ireland or out of it like any iris citizen. So can they actually ban him from here as eu citizen?
Then again, I though you need to sign every week and physically be in there to get dole? Flying there and back is not really cheap. Misses mother died and we payed 500eu for last minute tickets.
He was cough in Mallow ( I am from Mallow myself, but I don't know him ) and the only flight you could get to ithuania is from Dublin. 50eu train tickets from Dublin to Mallow and back to Dublin.

VEN

allibastor wrote: »

saying that the ash cloud was the best thing for the dole, loads of people who could not get home to sign on were caught out.

yes that was the best one ever, and in flight of all the evidence, we had an FF minister mouthing off that there was no truth in it or it was an urban myth, something like that anyway. Takes on average 5 years for them to do anything about anything. banana land.

Nodin

VEN wrote: »

yes that was the best one ever, and in flight of all the evidence, ............

alibastor wrote:

saying that the ash cloud was the best thing for the dole, loads of people who could not get home to sign on were caught out.............

This bollocks again......

There was no evidence. The numbers that failed to sign on were of the same level as usual. However this keeps coming up because it doesn't suit people to believe otherwise.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=73136199&postcount=79
http://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2010-06-17.1052.0

Shryke

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Bloody arab traveller single mums coming over here eating our free cheese and robbing our cats.

I like everything about this.

ilovesleep

If he was Irish he would be up in court and in front of a judge.

Was there a case a few months ago of a man who cheated the system in some way and he had 11 kids or somethings. Due to his dependents the money he was claiming was a fcuk load too. I think.a prison sentence was handed to him.

One person meets the full front of the law due to fraud, the other is told to stay where ever he came from.

Is this not discrimination?

IrishAm

Nodin wrote: »

There was no evidence. The numbers that failed to sign on were of the same level as usual. However this keeps coming up because it doesn't suit people to believe otherwise.

How many people failed to collect their payments during the ash cloud week compared to other weeks?

Nodin

ilovesleep wrote: »

If he was Irish he would be up in court and in front of a judge. ?

Yer man was up in court and in front of a judge.

Nodin

IrishAm wrote: »

How many people failed to collect their payments during the ash cloud week compared to other weeks?

Did you bother to click on the 2nd link provided?

archer22

I see he has a trophy in that newspaper pic..what was that,dole cheat of the month award .