Ireland u20 2013 6 nations and junior world cup

Hype710

Hopefully we see Luke McGrath fulfill some of his potential, he'll be one of the leaders in the team. Interested to watch Tom Daly for the first time.

Hagz

So disappointed that we won't see the Byrne twins. That was what I was looking forward to the most..

When you look at the quality of the players excluded through injury, it's understandable why this team looks a bit weak.
Dan Leavy, Ed Byrne, Bryan Byrne, Chris Farrell, Adam Byrne etc.
And Henshaw due to his rise.

What about Brian Haugh? Isn't he supposed to be a very promising scrum-half?

Hype710

Hagz, just looked at Alex O'Meara there. He's the same size as McFarland, so while it isn't necessarily a size thing against McFarland, they must have felt they couldn't have included both!

GerM

Leavy should be involved later in the tournament. Recovering from an ankle knock according to Hugo over on LF.

bah06

what happened to tom farrell (leinster) and harry mcnulty (munster) both good 13s in interpros

Hype710

Tom Farrell is injured for the duration of the Six Nations.

bah06

another good player lost to injury

bah06

no 13 in the squad?

Hype710

Should have plenty of kicking options in the team - McGrath, Olding, Daly and Scannell are all possibilities. You'd imagine Daly has a fairly big boot considering the size of him.

bah06

daly is a very good kicker. Kicks for leinster 20s and lansdowne 1sts

thebaz

bah06 wrote: »

daly is a very good kicker. Kicks for leinster 20s and lansdowne 1sts

is it the same daly who scored the tries at last years u20 WC ?

Hagz

thebaz wrote: »

is it the same daly who scored the tries at last years u20 WC ?

No that's Barry Daly, plays for UCD.

Rugbyharry

I would guess at this being a potential starting team..

1. Peter Dooley
2. George McGuigan
3. Jake Caulfield
4. John Donnan
4. Gavin Thornbury
6. Conor Joyce
7. Josh Van der Flier
8. Ryan Murphy
9. Luke McGrath
10. Steve Crosbie
11. Rory Scholes
12. Stuart Olding
13. Thomas Daly
14. Alex O'Meara
15. David Panther

ormond lad

.ak wrote: »

Yep Adam Byrne has a broken ankle. Pity, he's 20 isn't he?

not 19 yet. is a 94

GerM wrote: »

Only 3 returning players makes for one of the weakest looking sides in a few years. We'll have to see how it plays out. Great to see a stronger representation from Munster. Can only bode well for the future if all the provinces are producing.

weak on paper hopefully they can come up under the radar and do well
Great to see a stronger munster representation after several years where we only had 3rd or 4th most representatives

Hagz wrote: »

My stab at the starting XV

1. Peter Dooley
2. George McGuigan
3. Jake Caulfield
4. Sean McCarthy
5. Gavin Thornbury
6. Conor Joyce
7. Josh Van der Flier
8. Ryan Murphy
9. Luke McGrath
10. Stuart Olding
11. Alex O'Meara
12. Thomas Daly
13. Rory Scannell
14. Darren Sweetnam
15. Rory Scholes

cant see Murphy at 8. shame there is a handful of injuries to players who prob would be starting if fit

Hagz

ormond lad wrote: »

cant see Murphy at 8. shame there is a handful of injuries to players who prob would be starting if fit

Why not? He's been playing for the Munster A side and is in the academy whereas Timmins is a year younger (open to correction) and isn't even in an academy.

peterdonald90

injuries are giving other kids a chance, hopefully some of them make a name for themselves.

the half back pairing of mcgrath and olding are pretty highly rated

Leinster's full academy players eligible for this years team:
Byrne twins(injured)
Thornbury
Leavy(injured)
Van Der Flier
McGrath
Byrne(injured)

ormond lad

Hagz wrote: »

Why not? He's been playing for the Munster A side and is in the academy whereas Timmins is a year younger (open to correction) and isn't even in an academy.

Just from talking to some people whove seen him play regularly enough and they do not rate him to be at that level.
ive only seen him once and am only going on the opinion of others.

irishbucsfan

There are some very very classy players kicking around this team. Not so many stars but I can't wait to see Olding and McGrath on the field together. Potential for a class back row as well when Leavy gets fit, Murphy is supposed to be great.

Looking forward to seeing Rory Scholes, he's been around for ages now so I'm interested to see what he can actually do.

peterdonald90

Interesting comparison with the starting under-18 team that won the FIRA-AER European Championships in April 2011

15. Rory Scholes (Campbell College), IN THE SQUAD
14. Conor McEllin (Blackrock College),
13. Robert Henshaw (Marist College, Athlone), AT HIGHER LEVEL
12. Chris Farrell (Campbell College), INJURED
11. Mark Roche (Blackrock College),
10. Stuart Olding (Belfast Royal Academy), IN THE SQUAD
9. Luke McGrath (St. Michael's College) (capt), IN THE SQUAD
8. Ryan Murphy (Presentation Brothers College, Cork), IN THE SQUAD
7. Dan Leavy (St. Michael's College), INJURED
6. Donagh Lawler (St. Michael's College),
5. Gavin Thornbury (Blackrock College), IN THE SQUAD
4. Jerry Sexton (St. Mary's College),
3. Edward Byrne (Clongowes Wood College), INJURED
2. Bryan Byrne (Clongowes Wood College), INJURED
1. Gordon Frayne (Clongowes Wood College),

ormond lad

peterdonald90 wrote: »

Interesting comparison with the starting under-18 schools team that won the FIRA-AER European Championships in April 2011

15. Rory Scholes (Campbell College), IN THE SQUAD
14. Conor McEllin (Blackrock College),
13. Robert Henshaw (Marist College, Athlone), AT HIGHER LEVEL
12. Chris Farrell (Campbell College), INJURED
11. Mark Roche (Blackrock College),
10. Stuart Olding (Belfast Royal Academy), IN THE SQUAD
9. Luke McGrath (St. Michael's College) (capt), IN THE SQUAD
8. Ryan Murphy (Presentation Brothers College, Cork), IN THE SQUAD
7. Dan Leavy (St. Michael's College), INJURED
6. Donagh Lawler (St. Michael's College),
5. Gavin Thornbury (Blackrock College), IN THE SQUAD
4. Jerry Sexton (St. Mary's College),
3. Edward Byrne (Clongowes Wood College), INJURED
2. Bryan Byrne (Clongowes Wood College), INJURED
1. Gordon Frayne (Clongowes Wood College),

very interesting. There is 5 or 6 who were in the irish youths squad that year who are in the 20s this year
Tom Daly, Peter Dooley, George McGuigan, Conor Joyce and David Panter are all in the squad with Adam Byrne injured. there could be other youths from that year involved

peterdonald90

This is one of the starting teams, Adam Byrne is on the bench.

15 - David Panther (St. Paul's Coll/London Irish/Exiles) IN THE SQUAD
14 - Tom Flynn (Epsom Coll/Cobham RFC/Exiles)
13 - Conall Doherty (City of Derry/Ulster)
12 - Thomas Daly (County Carlow/Leinster)IN THE SQUAD
11 - Conor Fitzgibbon (Buccaneers/Connacht)
10 - Liam Bourke (Navan/Leinster)
9 - Finbarr McGowan (Longford/Leinster)
1 - Peter Dooley (Birr/Leinster) IN THE SQUAD
2 - George McGuigan (Gosforth Academy/Newcastle Falcons/Exiles) IN THE SQUAD
3 - Ryan Furniss (Worcester Coll/Worcester Warriors/Exiles)
4 - Sean O'Brien (Galwegians/Connacht)
5 - Ultan Dillane (Tralee/Munster)
6 - Conor Joyce (Solihull Sch/Leicester Tigers/Exiles) IN THE SQUAD
7 - Akhlaque Khan (Navan/Leinster)
8 - Eoghan Masterson (Portlaoise/Leinster)

Hagz

I didn't know Joyce was an Exile. That's McGuigan, Caulfield, O'Meara, Panther and Joyce. 5 Exiles.

Hagz

I think it's actually David Panter, unfortunately.

ormond lad

Interesting to see in G Cummiskeys article on the 20s that Henshaw has more minutes this season in the pro12 than any other player in irish rugby.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2013/0129/1224329399917.html

Team to be named tomorrow. Itll be a real shame for 20s if article is true and Olding is unavailable for friday night
BTW Parc Eirais where the game is to be played friday night is savage venue. brother was over there in the summer
first time being used for a welsh 20s but hosted some games between tier 2 nations in november

Fireball07

How come Haugh isn't in the squad, does he have an injury, or just not good enough?? I had heard he was very highly-rated?

Hagz

ormond lad wrote: »

Itll be a real shame for 20s if article is true and Olding is unavailable for friday night

If it is true he'll have to call up an extra back.

peterdonald90

would be pretty disappointing if olding was pulled

peterdonald90

Fireball07 wrote: »

How come Haugh isn't in the squad, does he have an injury, or just not good enough?? I had heard he was very highly-rated?

mcgrath and the ulster scrumhalf are also very highly rated

bah06

steve crosby is a very good player at outhalf. i would start him and put olding at 13 if fit?

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny

Fireball07 wrote: »

How come Haugh isn't in the squad, does he have an injury, or just not good enough?? I had heard he was very highly-rated?

Luke Mcgrath is miles ahead of him and all 9s around this level i think. Interesting enough is i don't think he was even given a trial! Ruddock mustn't rate him as highly as others

Score of 10

peterdonald90 wrote: »

Interesting comparison with the starting under-18 team that won the FIRA-AER European Championships in April 2011

15. Rory Scholes (Campbell College), IN THE SQUAD
14. Conor McEllin (Blackrock College),
13. Robert Henshaw (Marist College, Athlone), AT HIGHER LEVEL
12. Chris Farrell (Campbell College), INJURED
11. Mark Roche (Blackrock College),
10. Stuart Olding (Belfast Royal Academy), IN THE SQUAD
9. Luke McGrath (St. Michael's College) (capt), IN THE SQUAD
8. Ryan Murphy (Presentation Brothers College, Cork), IN THE SQUAD
7. Dan Leavy (St. Michael's College), INJURED
6. Donagh Lawler (St. Michael's College),
5. Gavin Thornbury (Blackrock College), IN THE SQUAD
4. Jerry Sexton (St. Mary's College),
3. Edward Byrne (Clongowes Wood College), INJURED
2. Bryan Byrne (Clongowes Wood College), INJURED
1. Gordon Frayne (Clongowes Wood College),

What that would tend to tell you is that the Rock boys get worse with age or are hyped up way too much at a younger age

bilston

peterdonald90 wrote: »

would be pretty disappointing if olding was pulled

There isn't really any reason to pull him this weekend, next weekend maybe but maybe it depends on whether Uncle Declan releases PJ for the Ospreys game or not.

shuffol

Hagz wrote: »

I think it's actually David Panter, unfortunately.

Heard he wanted to be a painter but didnt have the I for it.:D

Hagz wrote: »

I didn't know Joyce was an Exile. That's McGuigan, Caulfield, O'Meara, Panther and Joyce. 5 Exiles.

Would I be right in saying that its particularly rare to find youths players coming through the system in Ulster, anybody know what Joyce's story is? remember him playing against Leinster last christmas.

ormond lad

Team named
http://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic/news/11463.php
15 - Stuart Olding (Belfast Harlequins /Ulster)
14 - Alexander O'Meara (Hartpury/ Exiles)
13 - Tom Daly (Lansdowne/Leinster)
12 - Rory Scannell (Dolphin/Munster)
11 - Rory Scholes (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
10 - Steve Crosbie (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
9 - Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster) Captain
1 - Brian Scott (UCC/Munster)
2 - George McGuigan (Newcastle Falcons/Exile
3 - Chris Taylor (Malone/Ulster)
4 - John Donnan (Ballynahinch/Ulster)
5 - Gavin Thornbury (UCD/Leinster)
6 - Peadar Timmins (UCD/Leinster)
7 - Ryan Murphy (Dolphin/Munster)
8 - Conor Joyce (Malone/Ulster)

Replacements
16 - John Andrew (Ballymena/Ulster)
17 - Peter Dooley (Lansdowne/Leinster)
18 - Jake Caulfield (Malone/Ulster)
19 - Sean McCarthy (Shannon/Munster)
20 - Josh Van Der Flier (UCD/Leinster)
21 - John Creighton (Malone /Ulster)
22 - Darren Sweetnam (UCC/Munster)
23 - David Panther (Corinthians/Connacht)

.ak

No surprise McGrath is Captain. Olding at fullback? What is with our obsession of putting OH's at FB?

Hagz

Josh Van der Flier just coming back from injury so expect him to get back onto the starting side when he's fit.

ormond lad

.ak wrote: »

No surprise McGrath is Captain. Olding at fullback? What is with our obsession of putting OH's at FB?

Not sure but Olding seems to be able to play across the backline and iirc played 1 or 2 games in last years JWC in the centre

Hype710

.ak wrote: »

No surprise McGrath is Captain. Olding at fullback? What is with our obsession of putting OH's at FB?

I don't think Olding has settled on a position yet, played 13 at the JWC last year! Confused as to why they've switched Joyce and Timmins around from their normal positions. If McGrath performs well this tournament I can see Leinster having to tie him down with a development deal.

Tox56

Hagz wrote: »

Josh Van der Flier just coming back from injury so expect him to get back onto the starting side when he's fit.

Even if Leavy comes back from injury?

.ak

Yeah, I'd sooner move an OH to centre than FB tho. Seems a very Irish mentality.

Sure shtick him at the back and he'll boot the leather off the ball.

bilston

.ak wrote: »

No surprise McGrath is Captain. Olding at fullback? What is with our obsession of putting OH's at FB?

I wonder if Olding has been shifted to FB because the expectation is that he won't be available for the whole competition where as Crosbie will be. If so that's a pretty sensible decision. In saying that I'd have rather seen Olding at 12 or 13 but I don't know anything about Scannell in fairness so for all I know he could be a cracking player!

Hype710

The issue I have with Olding at FB is that we already have so many FBs in the squad with Scholas, Sweetnam and Panter. Adam Byrne is a big loss.

irishbucsfan

Olding is a very good 15. He was excellent there for us against England last season, one of the few people who I thought came out of the game looking good last season. I was sitting in the stand right behind him.

bilston

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Olding is a very good 15. He was excellent there for us against England last season, one of the few people who I thought came out of the game looking good last season. I was sitting in the stand right behind him.

He's clearly the next Mike Gibson...10,12,13,15...no sweat for him...

Hype710

Rhys Patchell isn't playing for Wales anyway; playing LV Cup instead.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21246522

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny

Sweetnum on the bench covering 10? Haven't seen much of him playing there or would Olding be automatically shifted into 10. Like Crosbie, is a savage player!

irishbucsfan

Any word on coverage for this?

bilston

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Any word on coverage for this?

It's on RTE 2 on Friday and I'd say with a fair bit of confidence that it's on BBC 2 Wales as well.

ormond lad

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Any word on coverage for this?

RTE 2 coverage starts at 7

Mr.Prodston

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny wrote: »

Sweetnum on the bench covering 10? Haven't seen much of him playing there or would Olding be automatically shifted into 10. Like Crosbie, is a savage player!

Sweetnam can play 10, no worries on that front. He's more of a 10 than a fullback really.