Rural neighbour issues

Graces7

Well, we are here almost exactly two years now and have got used to the usual rural noises etc etc etc. The midnight muck spreading, the local boy racer who roars past in the small hours... Routine after a while

Except the local crowbanger issues.

EPA have advised that these days a licence is needed to use these; they are basically only issued to eg land fill sites and have to be used only between certain hours. The Gardai endorse this.

They also basically do not work as the birds get used to them very quickly.. even perch on them.

Someone locally uses one. For two years the pattern has been that when it has started, we have a word with our ls brother who are also our nearest neighbours, and it stops, only to start on different land a few weeks later. Kind of "pass the crowbanger!"....

A few weeks ago it was near us and going all night long... ( NB there is also occasional gunfire there and no way am I going near an Irishman with a gun...) This time we went to the Gardai.. young one had never heard of a crowbanger so the older one interpreted it as a birdscarer)

Quiet a wee while, then a few nights ago, on all night again.. Then up on a different field all yesterday.

Ear plugs only deaden the sound, and also our dogs freak out ...

This morning, it started before 6 am, very close and very loud. Dogs are berserk and have had to medicate them.

Called the ll....Then the Gardai...again...

The thing is that there are no crops where it is coming from. Yes folk have looked for it for us and it seems to be in a yard.

A new toy maybe

Read a thread online re someone trying to trace gunfire etc. he finally found the man concerned who was using a gun and a crowbanger alternately and had no idea that it was causing any problems for anyone.

This one is going off erratically now..

Ill abed anyways and this just it too much.

djimi

Keep contacting the Gardai, each and every time it happens. Not really sure what else you can do.

nacimroc

I doubt any cop would go to the hassle of standing in fields at 5am trying to track down the sound.

Can you not just take 1 night to track down the sound (2 people spread apart should find it very quickly), confront the owner or "relocate" the unit if you find it There are strict rules about dB levels during the night.

Graces7

nacimroc wrote: »

I doubt any cop would go to the hassle of standing in fields at 5am trying to track down the sound.

Can you not just take 1 night to track down the sound (2 people spread apart should find it very quickly), confront the owner or "relocate" the unit if you find it There are strict rules about dB levels during the night.

Thank you. Very limited mobility so that makes it hard, but friends have tried to find it to no avail so far.

When they have been looking it has not been on. Yes if it was seen..... Found pictures on the internet...

We have searched in the car and no sign and as I said, where it is coming from where are no crops.

Usually a word to the ll works but it is on and off all morning now. Completely erratic as if being used manually Or maybe guns this time...

We have a community Garda here who seems to have fixed it last time; he is on duty this afternoon they say. Being rural he is supposed to know everyone.

Left a letter out for the lls brother too for when he comes to feed the calves by our gate. He usually knows who it is.

Graces7

djimi wrote: »

Keep contacting the Gardai, each and every time it happens. Not really sure what else you can do.

Even wrote to the Chief Superintendant last week but he is probably on holiday...:rolleyes:

PucaMama

Graces7 wrote: »

Well, we are here almost exactly two years now and have got used to the usual rural noises etc etc etc. The midnight muck spreading, the local boy racer who roars past in the small hours... Routine after a while

Except the local crowbanger issues.

EPA have advised that these days a licence is needed to use these; they are basically only issued to eg land fill sites and have to be used only between certain hours. The Gardai endorse this.

They also basically do not work as the birds get used to them very quickly.. even perch on them.

Someone locally uses one. For two years the pattern has been that when it has started, we have a word with our ls brother who are also our nearest neighbours, and it stops, only to start on different land a few weeks later. Kind of "pass the crowbanger!"....

A few weeks ago it was near us and going all night long... ( NB there is also occasional gunfire there and no way am I going near an Irishman with a gun...) This time we went to the Gardai.. young one had never heard of a crowbanger so the older one interpreted it as a birdscarer)

Quiet a wee while, then a few nights ago, on all night again.. Then up on a different field all yesterday.

Ear plugs only deaden the sound, and also our dogs freak out ...

This morning, it started before 6 am, very close and very loud. Dogs are berserk and have had to medicate them.

Called the ll....Then the Gardai...again...

The thing is that there are no crops where it is coming from. Yes folk have looked for it for us and it seems to be in a yard.

A new toy maybe

Read a thread online re someone trying to trace gunfire etc. he finally found the man concerned who was using a gun and a crowbanger alternately and had no idea that it was causing any problems for anyone.

This one is going off erratically now..

Ill abed anyways and this just it too much.

if its diruptive, deal with the guards. dont "relocate" anything yourself as someone else said. thats stealing.

Graces7

Well., for two long days now, crowbanger for 12 hours, and yesterday the addition of shooting. Seemingly nothing we did availed, and waiting now to hear if the crowbanger has been left on the timer....

Seemingly a shooting party yesterday which we had last year too.

Dogs were utterly distressed all the day long and I am sick and weary. Abed now most of the day.

Feel so helpless.

Monday there will thus be a call made to the Ombudsman's dept. Useless trying to get any action locally.

We have ascertained that the crowbanger is on private land not accessible from the public road without a trek across wilderness. which is why we have not been able to find it. Need a strong fit person to help us.

Cannot express what this does to us.

NB just deleted all incoming messages unread as I just cannot cope with hassle now and am indeed on the verge of having to go to the hospital.

Blessings and peace

Marcusm

Graces7 wrote: »

Well., for two long days now, crowbanger for 12 hours, and yesterday the addition of shooting. Seemingly nothing we did availed, and waiting now to hear if the crowbanger has been left on the timer....

Seemingly a shooting party yesterday which we had last year too.

Dogs were utterly distressed all the day long and I am sick and weary. Abed now most of the day.

Feel so helpless.

Monday there will thus be a call made to the Ombudsman's dept. Useless trying to get any action locally.

We have ascertained that the crowbanger is on private land not accessible from the public road without a trek across wilderness. which is why we have not been able to find it. Need a strong fit person to help us.

Cannot express what this does to us.

NB just deleted all incoming messages unread as I just cannot cope with hassle now and am indeed on the verge of having to go to the hospital.

Blessings and peace

Before you call the Garda Ombudsman you might want to call your local council as it is they, rather than the Gardai, who have powers to deal with noise nuisance. Alternatively, you can engage a solicitor and take action through the district court. The Gardai, unless a crime as been committed, have no power other than persuasion.

ANXIOUS

Graces7 wrote: »

Well., for two long days now, crowbanger for 12 hours, and yesterday the addition of shooting. Seemingly nothing we did availed, and waiting now to hear if the crowbanger has been left on the timer....

Seemingly a shooting party yesterday which we had last year too.

Dogs were utterly distressed all the day long and I am sick and weary. Abed now most of the day.

Feel so helpless.

Monday there will thus be a call made to the Ombudsman's dept. Useless trying to get any action locally.

We have ascertained that the crowbanger is on private land not accessible from the public road without a trek across wilderness. which is why we have not been able to find it. Need a strong fit person to help us.

Cannot express what this does to us.

NB just deleted all incoming messages unread as I just cannot cope with hassle now and am indeed on the verge of having to go to the hospital.

Blessings and peace

Are you serious about going to the ombudsman over a this? I'd think long and hard before you did something like that. If its as loud as you say which I doubt you aren't the only one being affected. Would you not get in touch with other neighbours and work out who it is together. They are hardly just doing it to annoy you.

When I seen this pop up on the main page I actually knew itd be you.

Graces7

Yes I am serious. This has been going on for two years now at frequent intervals.

Very few inhabited houses here, and wild land up there. It is very possible due to the land shape that it is louder here than anywhere else. Also they are all farmers.

The Gardai said they would sort it and get it stopped a few weeks ago. As they did yesterday. Promised I mean, and usually a word from the Community Garda will sort matters like this; this is his role, keeping the peace. Which is lacking here.

We have tried the informal way many times.

And the letter to the Chief Superintendant was not replied to.

Emails have gone to the Ombudsman, to HSE and to the Council also. Advice asked from the Ombudsmans office before a formal complaint goes in.

Cannot find the address either .. only the locality. But sure that the gardai know

CJhaughey

Sorry Graces7 but you are coming across to me as a bit of a nutjob. Escalating from the Local gardai to the chief super and then the Ombudsman in two days will just mark you out as someone who has no patience.
Gardai have work to do traffic accidents etc, they can't be expected to drop everything and scour the countryside for sources of noise that upset you and your dogs.

afkasurfjunkie

CJhaughey wrote: »

Sorry Graces7 but you are coming across to me as a bit of a nutjob. Escalating from the Local gardai to the chief super and then the Ombudsman in two days will just mark you out as someone who has no patience.
Gardai have work to do traffic accidents etc, they can't be expected to drop everything and scour the countryside for sources of noise that upset you and your dogs.

What kind of dogs do you have?
Our dog was never bothered by those things but maybe it was because she was a breed of gun dog and therefore just wanted to get in on the action.

Odelay

ANXIOUS wrote: »

When I seen this pop up on the main page I actually knew itd be you.

Complaint about living in the countryside? yep, I guessed too where it would come from.

Anyhow from the EPA site:




What can be done about the noise from crow guns/bangers?

If the use of noise devices by farmers, to scare off birds eating their crops (knows as "crow guns/bangers") is causing a nuisance, and you consider that the noise to be so loud, so continuous, so repeated, of such duration or pitch, or occurring at such times that it gives you reasonable cause for annoyance you can initiate action to deal with it.
What action can I take?

1. Initially, it may be sufficient to explain to the farmer that it is a nuisance and so come to some mutually acceptable understanding.
2. If this does not resolve the matter you may wish to consider contacting the Environmental Section of your local authority/county council to ascertain whether it is in a position to take action.
3. Finally, you may exercise your right to take redress through the District Court under the Noise Regulations. However, before proceeding with a complaint, you are advised, to consult your local authority (where applicable) or seek legal advice.

The role of the District Court

The District Court hears both sides of the case. If it finds in your favour, it can order the reduction of the noise to a specified level, limit it to specific times or to cease altogether.
How do I complain to the District Court?

1. Consult with the Clerk of your local District Court about a date for the hearing of your case.
2. You must inform the person concerned that you will be making a complaint to the District Court. The date for the hearing of the case must be at least seven days later than the date you inform the person or body causing the noise.
3. You have to fill out a form and present your case in court. As a general rule, it is important to have a record of the times and dates when the noise nuisance occurred.

http://www.epa.ie/irelandsenvironment/faq/answer,31069,en.html

ANXIOUS

Graces7 wrote: »

In what way Trouble from whom

Interesting responses from those who have not read the thread and which show clearly why Ireland is as Ireland is.

For that insight, thank you:rolleyes:

I have read the whole thread and from reading other threads I have seen other posts from you. Why are you ringing and writing to the gardai, calling your landlord emailing the onbudsman and hse and leaving notes for your LL's brother? These people all have other and more important things to deal with than this. Sometimes you have to help your self and not act the victim. This could be easily solved, except I believe you believe that people are doing it intellionally to you. I still believe you are not the only one being disturbed by this.

I will offer you a simple suggestion. Try and find out where the noise is coming from. Go to the local pub actually you probably don't socialise in the village. So go to the post office ask bridie behind the counter who owns such and such a field. They say x does or I don't know but I'd say y knows. Call up to the owner say hwy how is it going, that crow banger is disturbing. He'll ah jaysus Mary I didn't realise I'm sorry. I'm having terribly trouble with crows I'll only have it on for a few hours a day. Problem solved.

PucaMama

Graces7 wrote: »

In what way Trouble from whom

Interesting responses from those who have not read the thread and which show clearly why Ireland is as Ireland is.

For that insight, thank you:rolleyes:

and this is why you get in trouble. your stupid generalizations. you have a go at irish people in just about every post ive seen from you.

Graces7

Excuse me. I am not in any trouble. Period.

Thank you all for your amaing contributions to the almost ready book on Ireland in the post-Celtic era.

Such wonderful insights into the "real Ireland" as the tour operators so quaintly put it.

NB Why take that as you did by the way.. that this shows why Irreland is as Ireland is.. could have been intereted in many ways.

Thank you for all the material.

NB no post office here either and no social network either. Quaint ideas some have of rural Ireland

Graces7

Mods. in view of the abusive responses here which reflect on the posters and on boards ie itself, please delete this thread.

It serves no purpose whatsoever now to anyone.

Thank you.

quaalude

Some of the bullying on this thread is in poor form in my opinion.

Graces7, I'm just posting to lend some support, as balance to those who have piled in to the thread to have a go at you.

Hope you can find the neighbour who is making the noise and get it sorted.

haulagebasher

Sorry Graces7 but you are coming across to me as a bit of a nutjob. Escalating from the Local gardai to the chief super and then the Ombudsman in two days will just mark you out as someone who has no patience.

CJH: Well TBH if you were to take a look back through Graces7's posting history you would see that this is just the latest in a very very long line of relatively minor gripes that have been blown out of all proportion.Particularly the part she she says that she is on the verge of having to go into hospital because of the noise. Seriously like, CTFO.Anyway as regards the decibel level at night, if the dB level in her yard was within limits at night then the farmer is entitled to use the banger. My neighbour uses a banger in the field across the road, not that loud and i manage to sleep perfectly soundly at night. OTOH there is absolutely no benefit for the farmer to use the banger at night as crows are asleep or whatever. It is only of any benfit during daylight, so he's just wasting gas by using it. If the OP is really that peeved about it, she can get someone to find it and remove the flint from it. That'll silence it for sure for a good while. I don't buy the arguement that she or her friends can't find a device thats loudly blasting away at a regular interval. Anyone half competent person could find a banger. If the sound is so distant that she cannot locate it well then it should not be so loud at her location that it would be a legitimate nusaince. But then, with the OPs history of petty greivances and hyperbole, none of this will actually apply. Look up the OPs post history, all will be revealed.

Victor

CJhaughey wrote: »

Sorry Graces7 but you are coming across to me as a bit of a nutjob.

No need to phrase this like you have.

sideboard wrote: »

CJ, you were always ruthless, even in power! How could you say such a thing and poor graces7, bless her, about to go into hospital, with your harsh words ringing in her ears!
For 2 long, lonely years this poor 'cratur' has had to endure this incessant noise and just as she's about to locate its source, her poor health gives in. I do hope that she will be ok and that maybe we will all learn who this scoundrel is that is polluting the countryside with their blasted crowbanger!
Shame on you CJ :rolleyes:.

No need for the sarcasm. Constructive posts only please.

mikom wrote: »

Common denominator....... ?

Gods pocket must be an awful place to live.

mikom wrote: »

I look forward to the tales of woodworm and how the landlord refused you the price of a tin of green cuprinol.

you could do with taking a spoonful shovelful of that advice yourself........

On-topic, constructive posts only, please.

Michael Weston wrote: »

I seriously doubt its true. This person seems like a total troll.

If you have a problem with a post, report it. Do not raise the matter on-thread.

sideboard wrote: »

Not sure G7 if your 'incurable' illness stems from foot'n'mouth, but speedy recovery and here's hoping it's not a contagious one!

Keep it constructive.

whitesands wrote: »

I find graces threads hilarious. I spotted graces posting in the weather forum & thought I'd pop over to the accommodation forum to see was graces still tormenting the landlord & sure enough I see this thread.

You seem like an absolute nightmare to have any dealings with & the sense of entitlement like others have pointed out is ridiculous. Go back to america & see how you get on having everything handed to you.

On-topic, constructive posts only, please.

Blackjack wrote: »

We look forward to your threads on your difficulties with publishers, readers, bookshops etc.

Will you still be claiming RA once your book starts to sell?.

On-topic, constructive posts only, please.

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Nah sure she is too busy declaring her income from working in the inbred market an her uk pension. I wonder what she did with all the money from the sale of the house?

On-topic, constructive posts only, please.


Moderator

jmayo

Graces7 wrote: »

Yes I am serious. This has been going on for two years now at frequent intervals.

Very few inhabited houses here, and wild land up there. It is very possible due to the land shape that it is louder here than anywhere else. Also they are all farmers.

I can't figure out why you have such a thing running unless you have crops and also why run it in the middle of the night ?
Is there a shoot or gunclub land up there ?
Maybe tell the guards you reckon they have a particular cash crop growing in the wild ?
Stranger things have been found.

And please do not start having a go with "they are all farmers" mullarkey.
I have pulled you up on this attitude before.

Graces7 wrote: »

The Gardai said they would sort it and get it stopped a few weeks ago. As they did yesterday. Promised I mean, and usually a word from the Community Garda will sort matters like this; this is his role, keeping the peace. Which is lacking here.

We have tried the informal way many times.

And the letter to the Chief Superintendant was not replied to.

Emails have gone to the Ombudsman, to HSE and to the Council also. Advice asked from the Ombudsmans office before a formal complaint goes in.

Cannot find the address either .. only the locality. But sure that the gardai know

Sorry for the bad pun, but I think you have jumped the gun sending a letter so quickly to the Chief Super if you have only been onto them a few times ?
You need to escalate it a bit first before escalating that far up the chain.

Keep a note of all correspondence and times of the noise.

CJhaughey wrote: »

Sorry Graces7 but you are coming across to me as a bit of a nutjob. Escalating from the Local gardai to the chief super and then the Ombudsman in two days will just mark you out as someone who has no patience.

Agree about escalation, but I can see how someone whose dogs maybe continually wound up would be complaining about this.
And yes I have seen the poster's past posts and have commented on them.

CJhaughey wrote: »

Gardai have work to do traffic accidents etc, they can't be expected to drop everything and scour the countryside for sources of noise that upset you and your dogs.

Yeah right. I have found some pretty good local guards and some ones who are lazier than sh**e who can't be bothered.
Gardai are pretty useless when it comes to neighbour issues and anti social behaviour as is so often evident in threads around here.

afkasurfjunkie wrote: »

What kind of dogs do you have?
Our dog was never bothered by those things but maybe it was because she was a breed of gun dog and therefore just wanted to get in on the action.

We had sheep dogs who would cower in the kitchen with gunfire or thunder.
They were the bravest dogs generally, but gunfire or thunder really freaked them.
Have seen same in towns with terrier and fireworks.
Always remember dogs have bloody sensitive hearing and only gundogs would be pretty used to that sort of noise.

CJhaughey

If you live in the countryside, you expect that certain events happen that don't happen in the city.
Slurry spreading, shooting, crow bangers amongst other things are just part of the fabric of rural life.
You can't expect everything to just stop because you don't like it.
If it doesn't suit then maybe find a place in a quiet suburb that doesn't have agriculture around.
Especially if you have dogs that don't like noise.
I can't understand how people complain about rural living and then move to a rural location.

djimi

CJhaughey wrote: »

If you live in the countryside, you expect that certain events happen that don't happen in the city.
Slurry spreading, shooting, crow bangers amongst other things are just part of the fabric of rural life.
You can't expect everything to just stop because you don't like it.
If it doesn't suit then maybe find a place in a quiet suburb that doesn't have agriculture around.
Especially if you have dogs that don't like noise.
I can't understand how people complain about rural living and then move to a rural location.

I agree with this to a point but in fairness even out in the country some things are out of order, and some prick with a crow banger is going too far in my opinion. Noone is above having respect for their neighbours and those that live in the area around them; people in rural areas get away with more than those living in urban areas, but it still doesnt give them carte blanche to do as they please when they please irrespective of the effect it has on others.

CiaranC

How many threads has the OP posted where she has an issue with where she lives now?

CJhaughey

CiaranC wrote: »

How many threads has the OP posted where she has an issue with where she lives now?

Now as in Ireland, Cork or Donegal?
She hasn't stayed put.

Victor

jmayo wrote: »

Maybe tell the guards you reckon they have a particular cash crop growing in the wild ?
Stranger things have been found.

Advocating making false reports to the Garda is not acceptable.

CiaranC wrote: »

How many threads has the OP posted where she has an issue with where she lives now?

Constructive posts only please.

BostonB

It must be possible to find something thats banging away for 12hrs from the same location.