Dacia Duster

Jesus.

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

But not the wheezy, underpowered 1.2. it will be very popular with the underpowered milk-carton-engine fanbois, though.

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Mine is a 1.8 tdci, 115 bhp, which doesn't sound much, but it has a nice bit of torque and I don't care what anyone says, you will not get low down grunt out of a tiny, overblown engine, its a question of simple physics.

Spot on.

Don't know why blokes seem to prefer little petrol's over a diesel. No comparison IMO.

Jesus.

shabalala wrote: »

Is the 800bhp the F1 teams have got from their "tiny" 1.5 litre "overblown" engines nothing to do with simple physics then???

1.6 aren't they?

gctest50

Originally Posted by dr.fuzzenstein

Mine is a 1.8 tdci, 115 bhp, which doesn't sound much, but it has a nice bit of torque and I don't care what anyone says, you will not get low down grunt out of a tiny, overblown engine, its a question of simple physics.

could if you wanted to but think of what would happen to the poor little things :

- the "wrong crowd" would be attracted to them

1 litre (check)

drive around in 7th gear @ 650rpm (yip)

tf2

Anyone suffer any damage/bumps during the short spell of ice and snow?

Here's a Duster for parts on DoneDeal.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/carparts-for-sale/131-dacia-duster-parts/6664811?offset=1

MuppetCheck

Sure that'd be useless - there isn't a straight panel on it! Also madness sticking secondhand parts on a warrantied car.

colm_mcm

Is that the one that a tree fell on in bunratty?

dr.fuzzenstein

colm_mcm wrote: »

Is that the one that a tree fell on in bunratty?

I saw that one, damn, should have taken a pic.

Zubeneschamali

colm_mcm wrote: »

Is that the one that a tree fell on in bunratty?

If a tree falls on a Dacia in Bunratty...

...does anybody care?

dr.fuzzenstein

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

If a tree falls on a Dacia in Bunratty...

...does anybody care?

I'd say at least one person...

ba_barabus

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I'd say at least one person...

It takes years to grow a nice tree

dr.fuzzenstein

ba_barabus wrote: »

It takes years to grow a nice tree

No one likes to see a good tree go down. At least someone can now heat their house
Harder to do that with Dacia parts.

colm_mcm

Dunno if same, roof might have been pulled up with forklift?

tf2

colm_mcm wrote: »

Dunno if same, roof might have been pulled up with forklift?

The very same - different angle

dr.fuzzenstein

The new Dacia Pancake

dhoun

I've got a Duster for over a year now and I love it. The ride is v. good, feels solid on the road, interior is more than acceptable and quite frankly I can't see anything wrong with the looks, no matter what the Qashqai snobs say. And that's coming from someone who has owned almost every model of Toyota over the years. :cool:

colm_mcm

I thought people had forgotten this thread.


Oh well

Zubeneschamali

dhoun wrote: »

I can't see anything wrong with the looks, no matter what the Qashqai snobs say.

Jeez, how low must you feel if you think Qashqai drivers look down on you!

166man

One can only wonder how a thread can go for so long about a car that honestly is just pure gack....:o

colm_mcm

I think its because people think they're the first person to say what they're saying.

166man

colm_mcm wrote: »

I think its because people think they're the first person to say what they're saying.

That shouldnt take more than one page........:D

dr.fuzzenstein

166man wrote: »

One can only wonder how a thread can go for so long about a car that honestly is just pure gack....:o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVCtkzIXYzQ

166man

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVCtkzIXYzQ

Ah you're right chief, it's my opinion alright, I'd hope it might be shared by a few others who are more interested in owning something nicer than just another blandbox with a new number plate though. :P

dr.fuzzenstein

166man wrote: »

Ah you're right chief, it's my opinion alright, I'd hope it might be shared by a few others who are more interested in owning something nicer than just another blandbox with a new number plate though. :P

Oh Jeez, do I really have to go through all that again? Oh, all right then.
It's no thrills motoring, sometimes you just want An Car. I could imagine to be in far worse things than the Duster. It's a bit like the Lada Niva to me:


I think there's a new one of those, I can't wait to see the thread and the rabid foam dripping off people's mouths as they get their knickers in a twist. If I could I'd buy a Duster and a Niva just to piss twice as many people off.

If you don't care about leather, climate control, 32 speaker Bose surround sound system, mahogany steering wheel, if you couldn't give two sh*tes what the neighbours think and if you did, you'd buy something nastier and dirtier just to piss them off more.
Not all cheap cars are nasty and not all expensive cars are great. We sure are worried in Ireland what the are keeping up with the Joneses. A new car will have a new numberplate, but if I was worried that people might disapprove of me for driving a Duster with a new numberplate, I could always wait 5 years.

Cabaal

166man wrote: »

Ah you're right chief, it's my opinion alright, I'd hope it might be shared by a few others who are more interested in owning something nicer than just another blandbox with a new number plate though. :P

Which begs the question, if you've no interest then why read or post in this thread.?

For example I've no interest in BMW, I couldn't be arsed posting or even reading any thread that relates to them.

A dacia may not be everyone's cup of tea, but why tear down and belittle people who are perfectly happy with them?

dr.fuzzenstein

Cabaal wrote: »

Which begs the question, if you've no interest then why read or post in this thread.?

For example I've no interest in BMW, I couldn't be arsed posting or even reading any thread that relates to them.

A dacia may not be everyone's cup of tea, but why tear down and belittle people who are perfectly happy with them?

It's funny how a car that is a cheap sh*tebox has so many people practically foaming at the mouth at the thought of them.

166man

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Oh Jeez, do I really have to go through all that again? Oh, all right then.
It's no thrills motoring, sometimes you just want An Car. I could imagine to be in far worse things than the Duster. It's a bit like the Lada Niva to me:


I think there's a new one of those, I can't wait to see the thread and the rabid foam dripping off people's mouths as they get their knickers in a twist. If I could I'd buy a Duster and a Niva just to piss twice as many people off.

If you don't care about leather, climate control, 32 speaker Bose surround sound system, mahogany steering wheel, if you couldn't give two sh*tes what the neighbours think and if you did, you'd buy something nastier and dirtier just to piss them off more.
Not all cheap cars are nasty and not all expensive cars are great. We sure are worried in Ireland what the are keeping up with the Joneses. A new car will have a new numberplate, but if I was worried that people might disapprove of me for driving a Duster with a new numberplate, I could always wait 5 years.

Ah think you took me up the wrong way there! I understand the whole no frills motoring in the same sense I undertsand the no frills hotel game, it serves a function and that's it. Sometimes that's all you need, I get that!

But as a car enthusiast I'm obviously going to be against seeing more of these on the road!

Cabaal wrote: »

Which begs the question, if you've no interest then why read or post in this thread.?

For example I've no interest in BMW, I couldn't be arsed posting or even reading any thread that relates to them.

A dacia may not be everyone's cup of tea, but why tear down and belittle people who are perfectly happy with them?

Posting an alternative opinion. I have driven one, a 1.5 DCI I believe and I didn't think it was a good car. The engine wasn't too bad though.

dr.fuzzenstein

That's fair enough, we can't all like the same stuff, would be a boring planet otherwise.

166man

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

That's fair enough, we can't all like the same stuff, would be a boring planet otherwise.

I supposed my post was harsh, but it's difficult for an enthusiast to see cars that I would have yearned for a s child going to the scrapyard and them replaced with Dacia's.

I wasn't trying to offend people though, just not a Dacia fan I guess.

ba_barabus

166man wrote: »

I supposed my post was harsh

People just appreciate different things. I love the fact the Dacia Duster comes with what you need and no extra trash. Most families that buy these will have them trashed by kids within 5 years so I think these make sense for families as a throw away car.

dhoun

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Jeez, how low must you feel if you think Qashqai drivers look down on you!

Ah, but I don't :-). It's not me but the car they look down on.

Zubeneschamali

ba_barabus wrote: »

I love the fact the Dacia Duster comes with what you need

No, you really, really need stability control, and it only comes on the fancier trim level with 4x4.

draiochtanois

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166man

ba_barabus wrote: »

People just appreciate different things. I love the fact the Dacia Duster comes with what you need and no extra trash. Most families that buy these will have them trashed by kids within 5 years so I think these make sense for families as a throw away car.

You're right, different stroke for different folks. I appreciate style, interior quality, power (obviously :pac:) and importantly how I feel when driving a car, hence why the 166 is my favourite. Others prefer basic 90's petrol saloons with as much character as a Mitsbishi Carisma.

I get it.

Kenny Logins

They're cheap. That's the only reason people buy Dacia.

Zubeneschamali

draiochtanois wrote: »

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You could say the same for crumple zones, airbags, seatbelts and anti-lock brakes, but I wouldn't be without those on any car.

And if ever a car needed stability control, it's a tall car with lots of ground clearance, a high center of gravity running on tall tyres and soft suspension.

draiochtanois

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dr.fuzzenstein

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

You could say the same for crumple zones, airbags, seatbelts and anti-lock brakes, but I wouldn't be without those on any car.

And if ever a car needed stability control, it's a tall car with lots of ground clearance, a high center of gravity running on tall tyres and soft suspension.

Basic for me would be crumple zone, side impact protection, seat belt and airbag.
Having anything beyond that is nice but not essential.
ABS does actually not help you stop any quicker, it will just prevent the brakes from locking up, so you can steer whilst braking.
Having managed to avoid a few crashes in my wilder years in cars without ABS, I can say that it helps and it's nice, but not essential.
I do like airbags a lot, having used one on one occasion and can highly recommend them.
Of course ABS and stability control fall under accident prevention and they may help, but to my mind those where invented with the modern motorist in mind (hop on the brakes, yank the wheel, close your eyes and pray!)

HandsomeDan

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Basic for me would be crumple zone, side impact protection, seat belt and airbag.
Having anything beyond that is nice but not essential.
ABS does actually not help you stop any quicker, it will just prevent the brakes from locking up, so you can steer whilst braking.
Having managed to avoid a few crashes in my wilder years in cars without ABS, I can say that it helps and it's nice, but not essential.
I do like airbags a lot, having used one on one occasion and can highly recommend them.
Of course ABS and stability control fall under accident prevention and they may help, but to my mind those where invented with the modern motorist in mind (hop on the brakes, yank the wheel, close your eyes and pray!)

Stability control with vectoring has more control over a car than you do. Not to mention reaction times of a computer are obviously going to be superior to a persons...

Tech zealots...

dr.fuzzenstein

HandsomeDan wrote: »

Stability control with vectoring has more control over a car than you do. Not to mention reaction times of a computer are obviously going to be superior to a persons...

Tech zealots...

(creaky old man voice) It'll be a cold day in hell before I let one of them infernal computer whatchermacallits drive my car! (shakes fist /creaky old man voice)

I do work in IT, we always say "Here's your new software release where we fix some old bugs and introduce some completely new ones!
All dem tech doo dah's are great, but I am convinced that emphasis on driver training beyond "just drive like an 80 year old granny and all will be grand" is more important. I hear of people who bring the car to the garage because the ABS kicked in and the driver thought the brakes where broken. I'd say 90% of drivers have never driven at nearly half the limit of what the car can do.

Zubeneschamali

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I'd say 90% of drivers have never driven at nearly half the limit of what the car can do.

Very wise in a Duster, especially one without ESP:

listermint

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Very wise in a Duster, especially one without ESP:

Wouldn't that happen in pretty much all cars without esp. That exact experiment and speed.

I think so.

Zubeneschamali

listermint wrote: »

Wouldn't that happen in pretty much all cars without esp. That exact experiment and speed.

I think so.

Eh, no.

It happens in tall yokes with soft suspension, like the original A class, the Duster and car-vans. There's video of a Nemo going on its roof.

This is physics: actual cars are lower with a lowed centre of gravity, and it is really difficult to roll one on a flat surface.

colm_mcm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

. I'd say 90% of drivers have never driven at nearly half the limit of what the car can do.

Zubeneschamali

There was a shot of a rental Dacia on its doorhandles in Ranelagh somewhere upthread: drive up, turn in, fall over.

Here's one on a flat skid pan:

colm_mcm

Henry Ford III

But it's cheap, and looks kind of semi off road capable.......to hell with stabilty or safety!

Zubeneschamali

Henry Ford III wrote: »

But it's cheap, and looks kind of semi off road capable.......to hell with stabilty or safety!

The ridiculous thing is that the "expensive" trim gets ESP - Dacia could just fit it as standard.

Way back when the first A-class failed the Elk test, Mercedes took drastic action, revising the suspension and making stability control standard, and then retested the car and issued videos and reviews showing the improvements.

Dacia's reaction seems to be like the Tommy Cooper joke: "Doctor, doctor, it hurts when I do this!"

Doctor: "Don't do that".

dr.fuzzenstein

I can't be arsed finding out, but is the point that EVERY other tall car is offering ESP and the Dacia is not? In that case, boo! Hiss! Down with Dacia!
Otherwise it's just looking for holes to pick. I find it amazing how there are many cheap and bland cars we could be arguing about, but this one seems to really set some people off.
And buying a "premium" car is no guarantee of brilliant handling, 5+ star crash test and bomb proof reliability:

Stallingrad

Have to agree Fuzz. The 'cake and eat it' brigade are are out in force. A car comes along that offers good value in a no nonsense package. It's not the last word in styling, safety or anything else, but it is an honest, good value car that does not to pretend to be anything it is not. What's not to like about that in world obsessed with brands, most of which are average at best.

If it's not for you go and buy something else!

Zubeneschamali

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I find it amazing how there are many cheap and bland cars we could be arguing about, but this one seems to really set some people off.

I hate plenty of expensive cars, too.