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Biggest animal you could Beat in fight to death.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭kevohmsford


    ManBearPig


  • Registered Users Posts: 901 ✭✭✭Vicar in a tutu


    Seaneh wrote: »
    A fully grown male red kangaroo is over 6 feet tall, weighs about 13.5 stone and could tear your face off.

    Ok Dwight:)


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭Reindeer


    --Kaiser-- wrote: »
    Firstly, that's a ridiculous point. We are intelligent and we do use tools. May as well ask would a lion be a good predator without teeth or claws.

    Secondly, you only need to look at the Olympics to see the extraordinary feats that a human body is capable of

    We always have our intellect on us, usually. And occasionally we are surrounded by others. But we rarely have tools on us in normal everyday life.

    The tools are not the only reason humans have done so well. Nor is intelligence alone the primary reason. Most scientist would argue it was the ability to bring the tools and intellect into play along with group tactics and communication - being social in large groups. One man with a sharp stick might be trouble, but a dozen or more of them would be a formidable force for any animal, especially since that animal was likely hunted or baited. It also would allow many of the sapiens to now use the sharp stick, rock, whatever as a relatively accurate and effective missile weapon and still have protection from the others around them. Very few animals have anything that could be considered an effective ranged weapon. You can not climb into a tree and be safe from a human. Tools and tactics simply evolved from there and took us to here.

    Having said that, we are very intelligent. But, we are also ignorant of life in the wilderness. What 99%, or more, of the public know about it comes from the media. Few have ever seen a wolf or a bear or a mountain lion in person. We've only seen video. Few have ever even hunted, let alone attacked an animal, or been attacked by an animal. As 21st century mammals go, we are not very vicious or aggressive. And while the top .0001%/olympians of us are pretty quick on a flat engineered track with lightweight engineered shoes, after a lifetime of training, even on flat dirt ground our chances of outrunning any dangerous predator is basically nil. And those that we do see on the media challenging these predators have often had a lifetime of training and experience doing so, have a full crew and equipment often for back up, and still they occasionally die. The difference between the slowest bear or wolf and the fastest is basically no difference when it comes to us vs them. Add in a forest, undergrowth, or snow, sand, or wherever you may run in to a wild animal, and we are at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to mobility. Claws not only tear flesh, but also aid hugely in mobility over diverse surfaces.

    Anywho,

    If an animal attacks you, you rarely have the warning to prepare. An animal that sometimes might give you warning like a bear or wolves, do so because their confidence in killing you is high due to their size, abilities, and numbers, or they want to scare you in to running, which is a bad choice. The ones that attack without warning like mountain lions and other big cats will usually leap for your neck, face, or onto your back. Unless you are armed from the start, it's gonna be rough. And even then, you have to have the presence of mind to realize you are under attack vs simply being stunned, and then to react to the threat appropriately, all the while you have 60kg's plus of mountain lion on your back clawing and biting in to you. We are fortunate for our size, as it makes a quick kill from most animals difficult except the largest predators.

    An extended engagement without armor or weapons or assistance is a tough way to be against even small predators like feral domestic dogs. What usually saves folks with domestic dogs is the fight in the dog. As mentioned earlier, most animals will flee if they feel the fight is going badly(including US). A dog that is persistent and aggressive, even a medium sized one, can be very dangerous. When we run in to a wild or feral animal, the fact is we do not get to choose whether this one has ate recently, or has babies nearby to protect, is inexperienced and wants to try you on for size, or is in rutting season, or is being territorial, rabid, wounded, etc. They sort of are, by definition, wild.

    Humans ARE tough, though. Just look at the men and women whom have survived horrific wounds in combat, and from street collisions, or brutal fights with each other, etc. But without your fellow man or woman to drag you off the field of battle, offer protection/cover-fire, or lift you from a car, our chances aren't so good. It's our intellect, tools, weapons, and our group tactics that save us. If one piece of that chain is broken, we struggle.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,048 ✭✭✭✭Snowie


    I could kill a brown bear bye stareing at it thats why i ware sunglass's all the time...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Reindeer wrote: »
    But we rarely have tools on us in normal everyday life.
    Depends on what your normal everyday life is. Us westerners have the tools we require on us at all times, they just happen to be mobile phones and money. Although we're in very little danger from any predator in a large human colony like a city, especially in Ireland where we've already eliminated any threats long ago.

    An Africa tribesman on the other hand would be a completely different kettle of fish. He'd more than likely know where the dangerous predators are and be ready for them at all times, he'd more than likely have the tools he needs to defend himself at all times. It's almost mystical (from our point of view) their ability to sense danger and either avoid it or deal with it. Some African tribesmen used to kill lions as an initiation into man hood.

    Us westerners are just pretty poor examples of human beings, we don't really know what we're capable of. We've become lazy and dependant on our comforts like shoes. If society collapsed tomorrow however, while millions would die off humans would still be on top of the food chain, we'd adapt and any child brought up in that environment would be a formidable beast.

    Humans are still by far my favourite animal, we're an incredible species and we do strike fear into every living thing on the planet.


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