Barnardo's and the week off!

Pappa Charlie

I'm a bit skeptical of this as it comes at peak holiday time, surely there was another solution like reducing the CEO's and senior managements pay etc. I note that their shops remained open for business. They do great work but I sence that this is more optics than necessity, if its possible to do it for one week then why not two or three?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/barnardos-shuts-down-for-week-over-cash-crisis-3200179.html

Mocha Joe

padd b1975

Mocha Joe wrote: »

+1

Link added to the OP.

You're welcome Pappa :P

Jesus Shaves

Whatin Jesus name are you on about?

Cassidy28

Ehhhhh

dvpower

Mocha Joe wrote: »

Bernardos are shutting down some of their services for a week to save money. I think - maybe the OP can enlighten us?

alastair

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

I'm a bit skeptical of this as it comes at peak holiday time, surely there was another solution like reducing the CEO's and senior managements pay etc.

Fergus Finlay was on the radio today and said that they have had pay cuts right up to the top. I'm guessing that he counts his 25 grand rebate to the charity as a de-facto pay cut, as his salary doesn't seem to have changed. It turns out that the ISPCC have also had to shut up for a week (or two?)

alastair

dvpower wrote: »

Bernardos are shutting down some of their services for a week to save money. I think - maybe the OP can enlighten us?

That's it - they closed for a week.

Nodin

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

I'm a bit skeptical of this as it comes at peak holiday time, surely there was another solution like reducing the CEO's and senior managements pay etc. I note that their shops remained open for business. They do great work but I sence that this is more optics than necessity, if its possible to do it for one week then why not two or three?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/barnardos-shuts-down-for-week-over-cash-crisis-3200179.html

Hairy Japanese Bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

phasers

what do Barnardos actually do?

phasers

phasers wrote: »

what do Barnardos actually do?

They think of the children.
Someone's got to.

Handsome Bob

I suspect that this is a challenge to government cuts rather than a closure out of necessity.

It's a risky game though, I have just recently departed a NGO and while we suffered serious cuts, we would never consider closing for a week as it would have left our clients royally ****ed.

Cassidy28

They deserve a break, they'll be as fresh as a daisy next week.

eth0

phasers wrote: »

what do Barnardos actually do?

They are more of a political twatgroup campaining for more restrictive laws on the general public for the sake of the children than anything resembling a charity

alastair

eth0 wrote: »

They are more of a political twatgroup campaining for more restrictive laws on the general public for the sake of the children than anything resembling a charity

Alternatively: http://www.barnardos.ie/what-we-do.html

eth0

alastair wrote: »

Alternatively: http://www.barnardos.ie/what-we-do.html

A lot of vague waffle and "campaign and lobby" which is basically what I said

alastair

eth0 wrote: »

A lot of vague waffle and "campaign and lobby" which is basically what I said

How are those blinkers?

Family Support Services - work with children and families across the age ranges of the three “Best” age categories. Some of our family support services have a particular focus e.g. families impacted by parental drug misuse, teenagers, and special needs. Click here to see where our Family Support Services are located.


Early Years / Tus Maith Services - the target of these services is children in the Best Start category of 0-5 years. Our key focus is on supporting children’s school readiness. We have one specialised early year’s service in Jobstown which works with children with learning disabilities and two services working with children from traveller families in Labre and Teso (Finglas).

Teen Parent Programmes - work closely with teenage parents and their children to promote and nurture their educational, emotional and social well-being. The Service is available to both teen mothers and teen fathers. Barnardos has three Teen Parent Programmes, one in north Wexford , and two in Dublin. Barnardos also has an education support programme to help expectant teens and student mothers attending secondary school in Waterford.


Family Welfare Conference – is a facilitated meeting to consider what should happen in relation to a child. A Family Welfare Conference offers family members, friends, or other people who are important to the child, a chance to get together to discuss how to sort out any problems and make future family plans to help the child. The target of the Family Welfare Conference is typically children in the Best Chance and Best Choice age categories and their families, but it is also available to children in the Best Start category.

Wizards of Words
An Intergenerational Reading Programme

Wizards of Words (WoW) is a paired literacy improvement programme for children in first and second class in primary school, involving older volunteers. This intergenerational programme model is based on US research of the Experience Corps programme which has demonstrated positive outcomes for children’s reading ability and for the volunteers too. The programme delivers one-to-one tuition during school time and is hosted in the school premises.

WoW is currently hosted in eight schools in Dublin and Limerick. During the 2010-2011 academic year approximately 100 children will participate in WoW.

How does it work?

Classroom teachers nominate first and second class students for extra reading support with a volunteer. The trained volunteers, who are aged 55 years and over, meet with their nominated children three times a week during school hours to provide individual reading instruction and support. The Barnardos project leader trains and supports the volunteers in the implementation of the programme, monitors the children’s progress and works closely with the schools to ensure the smooth running of the programme.

and the rest...

Einhard

eth0 wrote: »

They are more of a political twatgroup campaining for more restrictive laws on the general public for the sake of the children than anything resembling a charity

A number of the kids I taught last year in a fairly disadvantaged school would probably not at all have the opportunities they have were it not for Barnardos. So I'll take their political grouptwattery over the usual old boring internet cynicism any day, thank you very much. But then I'm sure you do so much to help kids in need, that you in a position to criticise others who do so...

Nodin

eth0 wrote: »

They are more of a political twatgroup campaining for more restrictive laws on the general public for the sake of the children than anything resembling a charity

I'm fairly sure the law requiring you to keep the trousers up is not down to Barnardos.

SocSocPol

phasers wrote: »

what do Barnardos actually do?

They spend millions of euro on adverts, big friends of the PR business.
They are also campaigning to have the rights of parents diluted by a constitutional amendment.

starbelgrade

Einhard wrote: »

A number of the kids I taught last year in a fairly disadvantaged school would probably not have at all have the opportunities they have were it not for Barnardos. So I'll take their political grouptwattery over the sem old boring internet cynicism any day thank you very much.

The fact that children in disadvantaged schools have to rely on so called 'charities' is a sad endictment of how our society actually cares for it's children.

Einhard

SocSocPol wrote: »

They spend millions of euro on adverts, big friends of the PR business.
They are also campaigning to have the rights of parents diluted by a constitutional amendment.

Yeah that's exactly what they do. BTW, would be really interested to see the accounts verifying the millions they apparently spend on advertising.

oppenheimer1

alastair wrote: »

How are those blinkers?



and the rest...

Surely all those services are provided by volunteers no?

I'm actually quite cynical of professional charity. Charity is big business after all.

alastair

SocSocPol wrote: »

They spend millions of euro on adverts, big friends of the PR business.
They are also campaigning to have the rights of parents diluted by a constitutional amendment.

They actually spend very little on advertising - they get lots of pro-bono work and ad placements on that front.

The constitutional amendment to see us finally adhere to UN Convention on the Rights of the Child? Awful stuff, altogether!

Einhard

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Surely all those services are provided by volunteers no?

There were tens of thousands of volunteers working during the London Olympics. Of course, that must mean that the running of the Olympics cost nothing.

ScumLord

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

I'm a bit skeptical of this as it comes at peak holiday time, surely there was another solution like reducing the CEO's and senior managements pay etc.

Cutting the wages of a handful of CEOs isn't going to cover the wage cost of the rest of the company. The only reason for cutting would be to share hardship in solidarity.

oppenheimer1

Einhard wrote: »

There were tens of thousands of volunteers working during the London Olympics. Of course, that must mean that the running of the Olympics cost nothing.

If services are provided by volunteers, I do not see why all services have to stop. Its a political stunt.

starbelgrade

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

If services are provided by volunteers, I do not see why all services have to stop. Its a political stunt.

It does seem odd that while on one hand they say that they are shutting their doors for a week to cut costs, but on the other hand, they are advertising job vacancies on their website with an average pay of 40 grand a year.

http://www.barnardos.ie/getting-involved/work-with-us/current-job-opportunities.html

Hootanany

How much is the head guy on.:cool:

Pappa Charlie

ScumLord wrote: »

Cutting the wages of a handful of CEOs isn't going to cover the wage cost of the rest of the company. The only reason for cutting would be to share hardship in solidarity.

Maybe not but I'd like to see it done before they close their doors for a week. I really think its a PR stunt and if it is a PR move then its an abuse in itself! It stinks to me of adding a week to administrators/managements holidays while the low paid shop assistant works on!

Hootanany

Hootanany wrote: »

How much is the head guy on.:cool:

bump

eth0

alastair wrote: »

How are those blinkers?



and the rest...

So as well as the 'think of the children' nonsense they try to make us abide by they're also a money spinner for social workers and chuggers. Two real bottom-feeder professions. Not a very ethical organisation at all I don't think, only get away with it because they can say its for the children

They seem to have a lot of staff as well which is common for the large charities that make up the so called 'charity industry'. They're excuse would be that they couldn't let in just anyone and are forced to take on paid staff due to the vetting practices they impose on themselves or were instrumental in making a law.

Not saying they do no good at all but they definitely wouldn't be the greatest bunch of lads around

Handsome Bob

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I'm actually quite cynical of professional charity. Charity is big business after all.

Could you elaborate on what you mean by big business?

alastair

Hootanany wrote: »

bump

What's so wrong with reading the link at the start?

Mr Finlay was paid a salary of €113,315 in 2010 and 2011. However, the charity pointed out that he donates a minimum of €25,000 to the charity from money earned outside of Barnardos, including speaking engagements and media work.

starbelgrade

Hootanany wrote: »

How much is the head guy on.:cool:

Salary 2010: €113,315 according to The Examiner.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfgbidgbqlgb/rss2/

Handsome Bob

eth0 wrote: »

So as well as the 'think of the children' nonsense they try to make us abide by they're also a money spinner for social workers and chuggers. Two real bottom-feeder professions.

How exactly is social work a bottom feeding profession?

starbelgrade

Handsome Bob wrote: »

Could you elaborate on what you mean by big business?

Any company that takes in over 20 million a year would be fairly substantial.

alastair

eth0 wrote: »

Not saying they do no good at all but they definitely wouldn't be the greatest bunch of lads around

You don't really seem to know what you're talking about when it comes to what they do, or don't do - so I'll look elsewhere for a pithy synopsis if you don't mind.

eth0

alastair wrote: »

What's so wrong with reading the link at the start?

So he has his little business on the side going as well as raking in over 100k a year from charitable donations after the chugging company has taken their 40% share. He has a great swindle going on altogether

Cassidy28

They say "reduction in income", but they have jobs advertised with medium to high salary scale, something doesn't add up here, maybe someone can help clear it up?

alastair

eth0 wrote: »

So he has his little business on the side going as well as raking in over 100k a year from charitable donations after the chugging company has taken their 40% share. He has a great swindle going on altogether

Yeah - real swindlers. :rolleyes:

alastair

Cassidy28 wrote: »

They say "reduction in income", but they have jobs advertised with medium to high salary scale, something doesn't add up here.

The positions advertised are revenue generating jobs (one a substitute for maternity leave). The mystery might have a solution in there somewhere?

the groutch

I think it's a case of the public finally giving a resounding NO to chugging and 6 figure salaries.

Handsome Bob

starbelgrade wrote: »

Any company that takes in over 20 million a year would be fairly substantial.

In an ideal world though that money is pumped back into the running of their services, it's not quite like making a profit.

SocSocPol

Poor Fergus, he is so dedicated to his job he needs €2,000+per week to do it!
And thats just his salary, now count all the other staff, its not a charity its an ego vehicle for Fergus"I wanna be the President because I love kids" Finlay (for €2,000+ a week who wouldn't love the disadvantaged little mites).

CatFromHue

I'd a thought it's pretty obvious why they closed this week. The people they're meant to helping are swanning it around Europe on their children's allowance funded holidays :pac::pac:

starbelgrade

Handsome Bob wrote: »

In an ideal world though that money is pumped back into the running of their services, it's not quite like making a profit.

True enough. The problem with charities in Ireland though is that they have no one to answer to - what they spend their money on is up to them & there is no accountability beyond that.

I think that's why a lot of people are cynical or suspicious about them & how they operate.

steddyeddy

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

I'm a bit skeptical of this as it comes at peak holiday time, surely there was another solution like reducing the CEO's and senior managements pay etc. I note that their shops remained open for business. They do great work but I sence that this is more optics than necessity, if its possible to do it for one week then why not two or three?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/barnardos-shuts-down-for-week-over-cash-crisis-3200179.html

Barnardos do very good work I have to say. Their good work is often in oppisition to government policy and willpower.

Cassidy28

alastair wrote: »

The positions advertised are revenue generating jobs (one a substitute for maternity leave). The mystery might have a solution in there somewhere?

Missed that thank you

oppenheimer1

Handsome Bob wrote: »

Could you elaborate on what you mean by big business?

Irish charity in 2009 had a reported total income of €5.75bn. Thats over twice the size of the beverage manufacturing industry.


As I said, its a big business.