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religion and sick children

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  • #102
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    ShooterSF wrote: »


    Leaving aside the emotional idea that a state does it's best to help the vulnerable in society, a logical cold argument could be made for it saving costs (pension and medical) and freeing up space (wow that was hard to type). Gonna step away from the keyboard for a second!


    Indeed this is one of the reasons why people may be against it. Life over time would be devalued and old/ill people would feel under pressure to take their own lives. Funding for hospice care may not be so forth coming. Treatment and the search for cures of the terminally ill may thus cease. I think you are seeing the full effects of the "slippery slope" argument!

    ShooterSF wrote: »
    I can's see how with voluntary but perhaps involuntary, even with the strictest safeguards human error can not be completely eradicated but we simply try our best. Unlike the death penalty though, not making euthanasia legal causes suffering daily. We legalise motor vehicles that cause 100s of deaths every year and if we banned them all it would do is inconvenience us and save many lives. Here we're talking about ending suffering not inconvenience and while every precaution would be taken, the fear that someone may mistakenly loose their life is not acceptable enough to stop us in our tracks, we simply realise the risk and try our best to make sure it doesn't happen.

    Human error is of course a fact of life. Interesting, therefore are you for the death penalty? I know many people mainly of a liberal persuasion are against it for the very reason of human error, yet many of these would be open to euthanasia. An interesting moral jump.


  • #103
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    jank wrote: »
    old/ill people would feel under pressure to take their own lives.
    Just to save taxpayers money? Do old people feel guilty about getting a pension? No. There are many who live their whole lives on social welfare, without ever paying anything in, and if they have no issues with that, why should pensioners, who mostly have already paid taxes?

    BTW, on the costs issue; there are treatments that are unavailable on the public system because the drugs are just too expensive. People die all the time because of this. We don't currently have a system where human life is preserved regardless of the cost.


  • #104
    MrPudding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    jank wrote: »
    Indeed this is one of the reasons why people may be against it. Life over time would be devalued and old/ill people would feel under pressure to take their own lives. Funding for hospice care may not be so forth coming. Treatment and the search for cures of the terminally ill may thus cease. I think you are seeing the full effects of the "slippery slope" argument!


    Genuine question, is there any evidence that this is, in fact, the case?

    MrP


  • #105
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    MrPudding wrote: »
    Genuine question, is there any evidence that this is, in fact, the case?

    MrP

    Indeed, my brother lives in Switzerland which has legalised euthanasia - can't say I noticed any decline in the number of elderly people there when I visit.

    I wonder if Jank could possibly be deliberately confusing the terms 'suicide' and 'euthanasia'?


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