TUS Programme

mrbrown69

zenno wrote: »

But it's not a job (as in a paying job) it is basically just voluntary work so i can't see this helping anyone get a real job.

Yeah but both the placement and TUS can give you a reference, which helps


I was under the impression you need certain qualifications for Job bridge but wouldn't really know on that.........regardless that one does really strike me a slave labour, a full weeks work for a pittance

zenno

mrbrown69 wrote: »

Yeah but both the placement and TUS can give you a reference, which helps

I see, well that's something i suppose.

Damn anyway, because if that computer place was in my current location i wouldn't mind doing that as the pc repair will keep me from getting rusty and for 4 hours a day is a walk in the park. Damn shame it's not closer to me as that is what i like doing and it's suitable for me as well. It's never easy even in this TUS scenario.

Backstreet Moyes

mrbrown69 wrote: »

Yeah the computer place is where he's been referred to....the catch is there is zero chance of full time employment there, it's a charity place with only volunteers and Tus workers....but in her words to get a job it helps alot to be already in some sort of job, which is very true to an extent

the other catch is after the 12 months are up they wash their hands of you, Tus no longer applies to you so if not successful in the meantime with job applications you're left to deal with the social welfare sharks, I can see problems there

Are you sure about everybody being a volunteer. The place i was with i think their was two of us TUS and the rest were full time employees and it was a charity. Although charities are for a good cause most people are employed by them.

The place i was in just wasn't working out if it was i would have been happy to stay on for a good cause.

zenno

Nuts102 wrote: »

Are you sure about everybody being a volunteer. The place i was with i think their was two of us TUS and the rest were full time employees and it was a charity. Although charities are for a good cause most people are employed by them.

The place i was in just wasn't working out if it was i would have been happy to stay on for a good cause.

They just say that you will not have to work in a for profit company or business it seems.

Backstreet Moyes

Faith+1 wrote: »

Great posts from all concerned. My friend is being forced into this however he intends to go back to education and has enquired in his local SW office can he leave the scheme early and apply for the BTEA.

He has been told no by all concerned in the SW office but the TUS placement officer is telling him he can so he is taking it further and not taking the placement. The SW is very under standing yet the local employment crowd are giving him sh*t.

It makes no logical sense to start a crappy placement at the expense of a 3rd level qualification.

Bunch of f*cking idiots in Tus, they don't care about anyone, all they want is to get people off their books and into forced labour.

I am starting to think that these TUS officers are being told to meet a certain target for getting people placements. I think this is resulting in the TUS officers ending up putting people in placements that are simply of no benefit to the individual. I think this is how people are ending up feeling like it's forced labour.

They don't want you going back to social welfare as it will look bad on them. But the main purpose of TUS is supposed to be to place somebody where they will get experience in the field they were in. I left my place because this was simply not the case. I have no problem going back on the dole and wait until they find me somewhere suitable. I don't think i should have been told if they can't find me somewhere soon i will most likely be cut. What difference does it make if it takes 3 months to find me the right placement. I am not going to accept a placement that doesn't suit just for the sake of it if they find me something.

What i found strange is they looked at my C.V. looked at my qualifications and the first thing they asked was how would i feel dealing with the elderly when i have a business degree. Also if it's true as i seen above that they are forcing people away from education for these placements that is just disgraceful. What is annoying is i was keen from the start and was happy about getting some experience. It's frustrating when i know somebody not that well but he basically has never worked and drinks most days. When he went in he basically said he suffers with his nerves and has a drinking problem. That was 6 months ago and he has heard nothing at all. It seem's the more you want a job the more likely you are to be treated badly.

mrbrown69

Nuts102 wrote: »

Are you sure about everybody being a volunteer. The place i was with i think their was two of us TUS and the rest were full time employees and it was a charity. Although charities are for a good cause most people are employed by them.

The place i was in just wasn't working out if it was i would have been happy to stay on for a good cause.

The computer repair is called Camara, it's total volunteer and charity work


here's more about it http://camara.org/

Like anywhere else I'm sure it had board members and CEO's on a salary but the grunts on the ground, differ

Backstreet Moyes

mrbrown69 wrote: »

The computer repair is called Camara, it's total volunteer and charity work


here's more about it http://camara.org/

Like anywhere else I'm sure it had board members and CEO's on a salary but the grunts on the ground, differ

Fair enough pity your not living closer to it. Wouldn't care working for 19 hours a week once it's something that helps me or something enjoyable.

mrbrown69

Nuts102 wrote: »

Fair enough pity your not living closer to it. Wouldn't care working for 19 hours a week once it's something that helps me or something enjoyable.

Not for me, luckily (for me) I've never had to deal with the social welfare since I've left school.....but in similar circumstances this might interest me but as is I've never been much one for 'charity work'

dubscottie

I have the TUS interview next week but work part-time.. What worries me is that I will be made to miss paid work to do (what is regardless of what people say) unpaid work.

Should I have ever been called up for this? Not on the casual docket as I was told I don't work enough hours to justify the paperwork!

Then, from reading other posts I will have the tax to look forward to as all my tax credits are used in my part-time job! (and still get taxed on that!!)

Backstreet Moyes

dubscottie wrote: »

I have the TUS interview next week but work part-time.. What worries me is that I will be made to miss paid work to do (what is regardless of what people say) unpaid work.

Should I have ever been called up for this? Not on the casual docket as I was told I don't work enough hours to justify the paperwork!

Then, from reading other posts I will have the tax to look forward to as all my tax credits are used in my part-time job! (and still get taxed on that!!)

I can't believe some of the stories i am hearing. You are working part time their is no way you or people in education should be called up. I would call up the social services office and explain your situation i couldn't believe they would actually send you on a TUS job. Also i would pop into your local citizens advice office today and ask their advice first.

Dunny

I was paid 122euro for this week. Im f**king raging. WTF like

Mr McBoatface

Dunny wrote: »

I was paid 122euro for this week. Im f**king raging. WTF like

Couple of Questions
(1) What rate of payment should you be on .....188+20 top up?
(2) Is it your first job where PRSI payments are made? If so you'll need to complete a revenue 12a form
(3) When did you start on the scheme, when you started did you contact the revenue and have your tax credits changed to you new employer (the LEADER Partnership).
(4) Are you married, does you spouse have your tax credits assigned to her?

To me, it sounds like you are getting emergency tax, you are no longer on the dole and are now considered to be working by the revenue. Tax and revenue issues are something everybody has to deal with especially when starting or switching a job.

If it's emergency tax, it's an easy fix and you'll get all money overpaid back to you as soon your new tax cert is issued. You'll need to get the company registration number for the LEADER partnership you are dealing with, get this from the Tus contact you deal with.

Dunny

It's emergency tax alright. Another guy who started with us on a TUS scheme was given a form about this tax, they never gave me it..

Is it just go down to the tax office with payslips or do I have to contact TUS?

Mr McBoatface

Dunny wrote: »

It's emergency tax alright. Another guy who started with us on a TUS scheme was given a form about this tax, they never gave me it..

Is it just go down to the tax office with payslips or do I have to contact TUS?

You'll need the company registration number from your TUS contact. Have you worked a job where you paid tax before? If not that 12a form I linked to will need to be completed by you and sent to the revenue, but again you'll need the company registration number and company details.

If you have worked before and paid taxes ring the revenue office for your region (listed on the 12a form) Tell them you started work and need a tax cert sent to your employer. Provide them with the company registration number given to you by your Tus contact. You and the LEADER partnership (TUS) you deal with will get a new tax cert is issued and your wages will be corrected in the following pay pack or two.

I know it's a pain in the arse, but it's a common problem in real jobs. Something similar happened to me a few years back after I switch employer .... I since made sure it never happened again so it was a good life lesson.

Just think of all that money you'll be getting back in the next couple of weeks....that will be a good weekend

Hope this helps, best of luck in the TUS role.

Dunny

Thanks

zenno

How to manage a TUS interview.

TUS Interviewer...Hello david, I would like to start off with a few questions in regards to what sort of TUS work you would like to do, and also the job suitability that you would be interested in.

David... Well I would be interested in fixing computers if that was available - bollox fcuk fcuk bollox sh1t.

Tus interviewer... looks at david with his jaw slightly dropped and very shocked.

Tus interviewer...Would you be interested in training youth in such things as sport and also exercise work for training obese people ?

David...I'm not really good with communicating with people - sh1t sh1t fcuk bollox and i really think that would be the most unsuitable position for me personally.

TUS interviewer...can you please not use profanity during this interview david.

David...i'm very sorry but i suffer from Tourette syndrome.


Will they give you work in a TUS job programme with the uncontrollable habit of using constant foul language ?

rsole1

zenno wrote: »

How to manage a TUS interview.

TUS Interviewer...Hello david, I would like to start off with a few questions in regards to what sort of TUS work you would like to do, and also the job suitability that you would be interested in.

David... Well I would be interested in fixing computers if that was available - bollox fcuk fcuk bollox sh1t.

Tus interviewer... looks at david with his jaw slightly dropped and very shocked.

Tus interviewer...Would you be interested in training youth in such things as sport and also exercise work for training obese people ?

David...I'm not really good with communicating with people - sh1t sh1t fcuk bollox and i really think that would be the most unsuitable position for me personally.

TUS interviewer...can you please not use profanity during this interview david.

David...i'm very sorry but i suffer from Tourette syndrome.


Will they give you work in a TUS job programme with the uncontrollable habit of using constant foul language ?

Fuucked if I know you daft cuunt

Torakx

ROFL!
I think rsole1 you need to practise more...or maybe you been practising too much

Karen23

Karen23 wrote: »

I finished Tus in January and I was offered part time work from the placement. I was delighted but before I started the position I had been called to the local Social Welfare Office to discuss what happens after Tus. I told them I had been offered part time work which I had yet to begin but had a letter from my employer confirming this and I would be claiming for the days I wouldn't be working. My case officer told me this was not good enough and gave me a number of positions to apply for , none of which I was qualified for and all were part time. What the hell do I have to do ?? I've never missed an appointment or interview , never refused to take part in any scheme or training , managed to secure part time work but its still not good enough. I have to apply for the jobs she gave me or she said they're would be penaltys to my payment.

When I thought it couldn't get any worse , my case officer contacted me yesterday and told me I have to take part in a 3 week jobs club course. This involves sitting in a room with other unemployed people using the internet to look for jobs. I asked what about my part time job as this course is every day for 3 weeks. She said I would have to take time off from my job to attend or risk penalties to my payment for non compliance. So , I have to miss my paid part time employment to go and use their internet to look for work. Oh but they will pay me a €20 a week allowance for taking part. Seriously , have they lost the plot altogether.

zenno

Karen23 wrote: »

When I thought it couldn't get any worse , my case officer contacted me yesterday and told me I have to take part in a 3 week jobs club course. This involves sitting in a room with other unemployed people using the internet to look for jobs. I asked what about my part time job as this course is every day for 3 weeks. She said I would have to take time off from my job to attend or risk penalties to my payment for non compliance. So , I have to miss my paid part time employment to go and use their internet to look for work. Oh but they will pay me a €20 a week allowance for taking part. Seriously , have they lost the plot altogether.

Unbelievable. I think you should contact the folks @ http://www.inou.ie/ and ask for advice. Also drop into the citizens advice to see what they say in relation to your rights in this regard. What a disgrace this is. It seems that they want you stuck in a rut instead of helping your prospects in regards to real payed work.

I wish you the best of luck, but do seek advice as mentioned above.

Insane is the only appropriate word to use in this scenario.

Backstreet Moyes

Karen23 wrote: »

When I thought it couldn't get any worse , my case officer contacted me yesterday and told me I have to take part in a 3 week jobs club course. This involves sitting in a room with other unemployed people using the internet to look for jobs. I asked what about my part time job as this course is every day for 3 weeks. She said I would have to take time off from my job to attend or risk penalties to my payment for non compliance. So , I have to miss my paid part time employment to go and use their internet to look for work. Oh but they will pay me a €20 a week allowance for taking part. Seriously , have they lost the plot altogether.

That's just disgraceful. Contact INOU and your citizens advice office. 3 week course looking for jobs. Their is no jobs and if they are it's intership job's and it's their job to find you those madness. I like for a job everyday and their is rarely anything put up if their is it takes a few minutes to apply. Proof your looking for word can be proved by showing sent emails.

mrbrown69

Internet jobs sites refresh their ads maybe once a month if you're lucky.....so basically they're saying you sit in an internet room 5 days a week for 3 weeks looking at the same jobs which are few and far between over and over again (and I'd assume everyone in that room will be applying for the same positions sparse as they are)

Well done Mizzzz Burton, really earning you're 200k a year salary there :cool:

leanonme

Karen23 wrote: »

When I thought it couldn't get any worse , my case officer contacted me yesterday and told me I have to take part in a 3 week jobs club course. This involves sitting in a room with other unemployed people using the internet to look for jobs. I asked what about my part time job as this course is every day for 3 weeks. She said I would have to take time off from my job to attend or risk penalties to my payment for non compliance. So , I have to miss my paid part time employment to go and use their internet to look for work. Oh but they will pay me a €20 a week allowance for taking part. Seriously , have they lost the plot altogether.

I dont think its fair that they are asking you to miss work for the jobs club programme, however it is not a bad programe, or at least the one I did was not too bad, the one I did was only four days a week from I think 9.30 or 10, till 1.30. and you do a bit more than applying for jobs, you do alot of work on cover letters, job applications, curriculum vitae, interview prep and recorded mock interviews so you can see how you come across in a role.

There was a number of people on the course I did, and I was the only one who left without proceding on a course or an internship. My partner was on the course with me, and he had been trying to get on to a health care assistant course for months, and fas keep telling him he was not eligible, and through the jobs club he got a place on the course, and was starting it within two weeks of leaving.

The only reason I left with noting is because I have a degree, so there are not too many training courses I can do that fas offer, and I taught I had an internship sorted but it fell through.

zenno

After reading everything about TUS and the job programme, I have come to the understandable conclusion that if i cannot find a proper payed job in 3 months then i have no choice but to sell my arse in temple bar.

Wish me luck. I'll need it.

Faith+1

But if someone purposefully fcuked up their Tus interviews (with employers) and the Tus placement officer sent thier file back to the SW, couldn't the SW make them go on Jobsbridge scheme?

Torakx

Faith+1 wrote: »

But if someone purposefully fcuked up their Tus interviews (with employers) and the Tus placement officer sent thier file back to the SW, couldn't the SW make them go on Jobsbridge scheme?

Or even worse, cut their payment.

zenno

Faith+1 wrote: »

But if someone purposefully fcuked up their Tus interviews (with employers) and the Tus placement officer sent thier file back to the SW, couldn't the SW make them go on Jobsbridge scheme?

I don't think you can be sent to jobsbridge if you signed the TUS form as a starting member...

The jobsbridge programme is working in an environment of profit companies and business for profit but the TUS programme is different as you can only be placed in a non profit company/business such as charity organizations, correct me if i'm wrong ? but i see this as is.

If you damage the compliance of the TUS scheme you can be deducted in payments or cut off period. They take no prisoners now. They will wipe you from the record if non-compliance is in effect from you unfortunately. I've been at this reading and studying for ages but i'm still going through the garbage and rights of the TUS employee. IE... looking for loopholes.

I wonder why these words are flowing through my brain for the last hour... and if you tolerate this, then your children will be next.

Karen23

leanonme , I can totally understand how the Jobs Club can be a benefit but it just seems ridiculous that I have to take time off work and lose wages to take part.

zenno

Karen23 wrote: »

leanonme , I can totally understand how the Jobs Club can be a benefit but it just seems ridiculous that I have to take time off work and lose wages to take part.

Karen this is the whole point in why you have to get citizens advice as no-one here will be able to help you properly. It is essential that you seek professional guidance from the right people in regards to your situation, and the links have been applied to previous pages on this thread.

Seek advice and you will be looked after. If you do not, then nothing can be done. It's up to you to get as much information as possible in relation to this problem.

Karen23

zenno wrote: »

Karen this is the whole point in why you have to get citizens advice as no-one here will be able to help you properly. It is essential that you seek professional guidance from the right people in regards to your situation, and the links have been applied to previous pages on this thread.

Seek advice and you will be looked after. If you do not, then nothing can be done. It's up to you to get as much information as possible in relation to this problem.

I know and thanks for the links and advice but I was just using this as a sounding board for my frustration and annoyance.

zenno

Karen23 wrote: »

I know and thanks for the links and advice but I was just using this as a sounding board for my frustration and annoyance.

I understand completely.

Sure i'll be dealing with all this very soon myself, that's for sure. I'll be in the same boat.

zenno

Can anyone advise me before i go to the TUS interview on what options i have for out-door work as i would rather work in an out-door environment than in a shop or enclosed area ?. Not dealing with sport or dealing with youth thanks.

I don't mind doing some manual labour as at least i will get some exercise.

mrbrown69

zenno wrote: »

Can anyone advise me before i go to the TUS interview on what options i have for out-door work as i would rather work in an out-door environment than in a shop or enclosed area ?. Not dealing with sport or dealing with youth thanks.

I don't mind doing some manual labour as at least i will get some exercise.

The out-door work I believe involves the up keep and maintenance of community buildings ie schools/churches and the like......basically a painter and gardener.....I'd sooner stick pins in my eyes

zenno

mrbrown69 wrote: »

The out-door work I believe involves the up keep and maintenance of community buildings ie schools/churches and the like......basically a painter and gardener.....I'd sooner stick pins in my eyes

I see. In that case i'll just wait and see what else is available. Gardening is definitely not suitable, damn pruning.

Dunny

So, was in the tax office today, was told to fill out form 12A (Application for tax credits), does this mean they can say no or is it just a formality?

danjo-xx

Dunny wrote: »

So, was in the tax office today, was told to fill out form 12A (Application for tax credits), does this mean they can say no or is it just a formality?

just a formality.

Hi all,

Well I received my letter to meet with the TUS board next week. I live in a rural area and i was expecting to be called to the town 10 miles away, in fact i am meeting with them in my tiny little village. Im just wondering are they interviewing other people at different times than me or will we all be there together?

Its just, i really do hope to get something out of this, i need to be doing something and get out of the house for my own sake, but i live in a very very "nosy" area and I dont relish the thought of everyone knowing my business!!

Dunny

When I went in it was the TUS supervisor and the Team Leader. Although I'm not in a rural area.

Karen23

I met with the Tus supervisor on my own. For me it was just a chat about what kind of jobs I would be interested in , what qualifications and experience I had so I wouldn't say they would have others in with you for this.

There is group sessions at a later stage.

Backstreet Moyes

Anybody think i should contact TUS or am i better off waiting for them to contact me. They told me about 4 weeks ago if i didn't get me a new placement within 2 or 3 weeks i would be going back to the dole. My friend thinks it looks better if i contact them. But i think i am better off just doing nothing and waiting until they contact me.

I have got two rejection letters from people i know to prove i am looking for work and also a heap of emails sent off applying for jobs so proves i am looking for work.

zenno

Nuts102 wrote: »

Anybody think i should contact TUS or am i better off waiting for them to contact me. They told me about 4 weeks ago if i didn't get me a new placement within 2 or 3 weeks i would be going back to the dole. My friend thinks it looks better if i contact them. But i think i am better off just doing nothing and waiting until they contact me.

I have got two rejection letters from people i know to prove i am looking for work and also a heap of emails sent off applying for jobs so proves i am looking for work.

I think you should ring them to see what they have to say to be on the safe side. I wish i could be of more help but i'm only new to this junk myself.

Well you are doing the correct thing with the job letters and e-mails but get a fare few of them and at least you have that part sorted out when you have to meet the social welfare crowd so that's good.

My interview with TUS is on thursday, not looking forward to it.

smiley_face400

Got "invited" to this back in January and have now had a letter to "ask" me to attend an interview. My problem now is, as you have to send back the letter with their contact details/map on it I now can't remember where their office is. I feel like such and idiot for not writing it down, I know it's on the quays somewhere. Can anybody help?

Backstreet Moyes

smiley_face400 wrote: »

Got "invited" to this back in January and have now had a letter to "ask" me to attend an interview. My problem now is, as you have to send back the letter with their contact details/map on it I now can't remember where their office is. I feel like such and idiot for not writing it down, I know it's on the quays somewhere. Can anybody help?

Can you not google it should give you the location or get a number and ask for directions.

smiley_face400

I've tried googleing it but don't get anything, can't find a phone number either. I know it's along the quays and near the four courts but other than that I'm lost. They should really have the letter and form that you have to send back on separate pages

Ive read somewhere on this thread they interview you in front of other people that are attending too, is this true? i said in a previous post that i live in a tiny village and they are going to interview me there, im a very private person and im freaking out over this, i have to meet with them tomorrow.

also does anyone know how long the meeting will last for?

Backstreet Moyes

Deleted User wrote: »

Ive read somewhere on this thread they interview you in front of other people that are attending too, is this true? i said in a previous post that i live in a tiny village and they are going to interview me there, im a very private person and im freaking out over this, i have to meet with them tomorrow.

also does anyone know how long the meeting will last for?

I was alone in an interview i presumed everyone was. See no benefit of a group meeting. It gives them less time to find out your interests and it gives you no privacy which is wrong.

smiley_face400

Nuts102 wrote: »

I was alone in an interview i presumed everyone was. See no benefit of a group meeting. It gives them less time to find out your interests and it gives you no privacy which is wrong.

It might depend on how many they have on the day. My letter said it was a one to one interview but that doesn't really bother me having been to group interviews before. You should be able to request a private interview if you're uncomfortable in a group although I don't know if you can

zenno

My interview is tomorrow and if it is not private i will make it private as it should be.

There is not a chance in hell that i will be talking about my private life or to give details with a group of strangers listening as that is just crazy.

Job interviews often result in the disclosure of personal information and should always be held in private.

smiley_face400

zenno wrote: »

There is not a chance in hell that i will be talking about my private life or to give details with a group of strangers listening as that is just crazy.

Ditto.

Where is your interview? It might be in the same place as mine. Feel like such an idiot for losing the info. Luckily I have an interview for a real job on Monday so will hopefully get that and not have to enter into this sham of a scheme

zenno

smiley_face400 wrote: »

Ditto.

Where is your interview? It might be in the same place as mine. Feel like such an idiot for losing the info. Luckily I have an interview for a real job on Monday so will hopefully get that and not have to enter into this sham of a scheme

Mine is in swords business park co. dublin.

May you have the best of luck in gaining proper payed employment smiley face. I wish you the best of luck.