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The Wheel. Invention or just happened.

  • 16-08-2012 9:51pm
    #1
    Lando Griffin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭


    Iv been mulling over this for weeks now. Do you think the wheel evolved from being a tree trunk and ended up a wheel or did someone design it? I would say they used tree trunks to move large or awkward objects then the cut the trunks up and ended up with smaller trunks then cut the trunks again. Then over hundreds possibly thousands of years the wheel as we know it happened. An what a relief. From the great Roman empire ti the industrial revolution to modern transport all thanks to the wheel..


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  • #2
    Voice of the Ages
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Voice of the Ages


    By just happened, do you mean that some Hunter Gatherer seen some round natural object that, when moved, rolled on it's own accord.

    Or do you mean that it was designed by committee in some remote area of Iraq.


  • #3
    Colmustard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Colmustard


    The wheel is useless, its the guy that invented the second wheel and axle.


  • #4
    OMARS_COMING_
    Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭OMARS_COMING_


    Who invented the human who invented the wheel?


  • #5
    af_thefragile
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,171 ✭✭✭af_thefragile


    Colmustard wrote: »
    The wheel is useless, its the guy that invented the second wheel and axle.

    Unless he first started with a unicycle or a wheel barrow...


  • #6
    Colmustard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Colmustard


    It was invented because it wasn't universal, the Meso Americans never invented the wheel, it only start been used in America after the Spanish arrived.


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  • #7
    Lando Griffin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭Lando Griffin


    OMARS_COMING_ wrote: »
    Who invented the human who invented the wheel?
    Cog?


  • #8
    galwayrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    The Aliens gave us the wheel.


  • #9
    Cassidy28
    Registered Users Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭Cassidy28


    The wheel fell off the wagon.


  • #10
    Colmustard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Colmustard


    af_thefragile wrote: »
    Unless he first started with a unicycle or a wheel barrow...

    Aha
    You are right, but they would still need an axle.


  • #11
    1ZRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    Lando Griffin wrote: »
    Iv been mulling over this for weeks now.

    Really?


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  • #12
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    This thread keeps going around & around.


  • #13
    peasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    Lando Griffin wrote: »
    Do you think the wheel evolved from being a tree trunk and ended up a wheel or did someone design it?

    In this case I'd be firmly in the creationist corner :D


  • #14
    1ZRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    realies wrote: »
    This thread keeps going around & around.

    I agree. It is quite pointless.


  • #15
    indioblack
    Registered Users Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭indioblack


    1ZRed wrote: »
    I agree. It is quite pointless.
    Did ye never watch "Carry on Cleo"?
    It was the Brits who invented the wheel. Square ones.


  • #16
    Casillas
    Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭Casillas


    The true beginnings of the wheel date back possibly as far as the Paleolithic era (15,000 to 750,000 years ago). This wheel was nothing more than a log, laid alongside others, which was placed beneath a load to be moved. The main problem with this method of transportation was that many rollers were required, and care was required to insure that the rollers stayed true to their course.

    One theory as to how this obstacle was overcome suggests a platform, or sledge, was built with cross-bars fitted to the underside, thereby preventing the rollers from slipping out from under the load. Two rollers would be utilized, with two cross-bars for each roller, one fore and the other aft of the roller.

    I think your looking for this site; http://www.ohtm.org/wheel.html


  • #17
    Lando Griffin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭Lando Griffin


    Casillas wrote: »
    The true beginnings of the wheel date back possibly as far as the Paleolithic era (15,000 to 750,000 years ago).

    What a bunch of thickos or what ffs 725000 years to develop an idea from conception to end. Ha.


  • #18
    Temptamperu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    The mayans came and went without ever using a wheel.


  • #19
    Casillas
    Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭Casillas


    Temptamperu wrote: »
    The mayans came and went without ever using a wheel.

    They had the concept at least, lots of small carved animals on wheels have been found, probably children's toys.

    http://www.atoda.com/amerindian/wheel.php


  • #20
    Duckworth_Luas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    Temptamperu wrote: »
    The mayans came and went without ever using a wheel.
    True, Mayan TV game shows were notoriously crap. Square of Fortune!


  • #21
    Casillas
    Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭Casillas


    Lando Griffin wrote: »
    What a bunch of thickos or what ffs 725000 years to develop an idea from conception to end. Ha.

    Eh? They're talking about a period of time there Paleolithic.


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  • #22
    paddyandy
    Site Banned Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭paddyandy


    It probably evolved and the axle later .


  • #23
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,171 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Colmustard wrote: »
    It was invented because it wasn't universal, the Meso Americans never invented the wheel, it only start been used in America after the Spanish arrived.
    Nope, as Casillas pointed out they had the wheel, but only used it on kids toys and the like. They didn't feel the need to scale up, but they had the wheel.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #24
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    The British invented the wheel.. British wheels best wheels in the world!


  • #25
    scouttio
    Registered Users Posts: 386 ✭✭scouttio


    I reckon some fat guy just fell and rolled down a hill


  • #26
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    On 24 May 2001, John Michael Keogh filed Australian Patent 2001100012 for "Circular Transportation Facilitation Device"

    http://www.hl7.org.au/docs/Australian%20Patent%202001100012.pdf


  • #27
    Colmustard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Colmustard


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Nope, as Casillas pointed out they had the wheel, but only used it on kids toys and the like. They didn't feel the need to scale up, but they had the wheel.

    It's kind of weird, the aliens instructed them how to build pyramids, but they never taught them on how to scale up the wheel.

    Aliens are stupid teachers.


  • #28
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    Duckworth_Luas wrote: »
    True, Mayan TV game shows were notoriously crap. Square of Fortune!

    Celebrity Human Sacrifice, could come back though.


  • #29
    LoYL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭LoYL


    It was rolled out as part of a research project. The Minister for Mammoth Containment said that going forward it had potential but the Opposition spokesman said it was hard to see any point to it.


    I need to go into the sunshine. Yes.


  • #30
    CruelCoin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    OMARS_COMING_ wrote: »
    Who invented the human who invented the wheel?

    Jebus.

    Gawd!


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  • #31
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Wheels only work if you have good roads.

    Japan banned wheels because they rutted the roads.

    Look at how the canals dominated trade until the advent of the railways and how roads only took over after tarmac and the internal combustion engine

    today in China maglev is replacing wheels on high speed trains

    and most international goods movement is by ship


  • #32
    wendell borton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,336 ✭✭✭wendell borton


    Lando Griffin wrote: »
    What a bunch of thickos or what ffs 725000 years to develop an idea from conception to end. Ha.

    They now work in the civil service.


  • #33
    Colmustard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Colmustard


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Wheels only work if you have good roads.

    Japan banned wheels because they rutted the roads.

    Look at how the canals dominated trade until the advent of the railways and how roads only took over after tarmac and the internal combustion engine

    today in China maglev is replacing wheels on high speed trains

    and most international goods movement is by ship

    No most good and people are moved by truck and cars and that won't change till we get startrek beam machines.

    But you do need roads otherwise the tank track would have been the second best invention ever, after the remote control.


  • #34
    Jimoslimos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Wheels only work if you have good roads.
    This is very true, up until recently the best choice for going "off-road" would have been a horse. Even still today I've been places on horseback that a 4wd would struggle to reach.


  • #35
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,134 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Colmustard wrote: »
    It's kind of weird, the aliens instructed them how to build pyramids, but they never taught them on how to scale up the wheel.

    Aliens are stupid teachers.

    The Egyptians weren't interested, they preferred building the "big pointy things" to "little roundy things". They weren't even interested in giving them proper names.


  • #36
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,171 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    This is very true, up until recently the best choice for going "off-road" would have been a horse. Even still today I've been places on horseback that a 4wd would struggle to reach.
    True enough. Look at the Ford model T. High ground clearance and the ability to rock the car back and forth using the gears. They've pretty good off road capability. They were designed for a time when outside the cities in the US roads were little more than dirt tracks if they were there at all.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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  • #37
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Wibbs wrote: »
    True enough. Look at the Ford model T. High ground clearance and the ability to rock the car back and forth using the gears. They've pretty good off road capability. They were designed for a time when outside the cities in the US roads were little more than dirt tracks if they were there at all.
    in 1911 a Model T Ford was driven to the summit of Ben Nevis as a publicity stunt by a Henry Alexander Jr from Edinburgh.


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