The Immortals - A new way to protest?

IrishAm

In Germany, right wing patriots have adopted a new way to approach the flash mob phenomenon. They were making huge ground until the local police started raiding the leaders gaff's.

Ok. The political message for most is very unsavory. But can you imagine us Irish people protesting in November, when it stays dark until seven/eight am. And when the politician look out the window....... There are thousands of us marching in that style.

Frightening stuff.

Could it work in Ireland?

BOF666

I'd imagine it would be too cold/wet to get a load of people out protesting on a November night...

Be great if you could though!

IrishAm

Imagine a large number of Irish people marching towards a bank/The Dail like this. If masks fall under our laws. Then we paint our faces, Joker style.

BOF666

Just throw on a few balaclavas sure! Not sure how well they'd go down with the Gardaí though…

IrishAm

BOF666 wrote: »

Just throw on a few balaclavas sure! Not sure how well they'd go down with the Gardaí though…

Non violent. If the white "The Strangers" type mask breaks the law, paint our faces. Simple.

IrishAm

The German kid whom organised this is in Ireland as we speak. He is 23. An IT specialist. Fired from his job for speaking about his political beliefs on German TV. He now operates his own company.

Sound lad.

BOF666

Surely it's not illegal to wear a mask though? Halloween and all that like...

IrishAm

BOF666 wrote: »

Surely it's not illegal to wear a mask though? Halloween and all that like...

It is. In public. If we really want to get into it.

Anything that pisses off the establishment will eventually be made illegal.

The kid that orchestrated this, had his home, his grandmothers gaff, raided.

Just when it was really ticking off.

BOF666

Not like the Germans to go raiding gaffs!

alastair

IrishAm wrote: »

Ok. The political message for most is very unsavory.

Not for some though, eh?

Idiot racist mob hiding their faces while they take to the street - how novel!

Stompbox

BOF666 wrote: »

Not like the Germans to go raiding gaffs!

That's not funny, Anne Frankly, I think it's a bit tasteless.

crazy cabbage

IrishAm wrote: »

It is. In public. If we really want to get into it.

Anything that pisses off the establishment will eventually be made illegal.

The kid that orchestrated this, had his home, his grandmothers gaff, raided.

Just when it was really ticking off.

I dont think this is right. Everyone had the right to protect there identity.

sure itsn't there some religions that cover their faces. If there are aloud so is the rest of society. Cant have laws that apply to some and not to others

Dyr

Can we not just hurl rocks at windows?

Or do nothing as we are so good at?

AeoNGriM

Bambi wrote: »

Can we not just hurl rocks at windows?

Or do nothing as we are so good at?

Is there nothing to be said for another mass?

El Weirdo

IrishAm wrote: »

The German kid whom organised this is in Ireland as we speak. He is 23. An IT specialist. Fired from his job for speaking about his political beliefs on German TV. He now operates his own company.

Sound lad.

Indeed, he sounds quite the treasure. :rolleyes:

Appears that he has a lot of fans amongst the mouth-breathers over on Stormfront.

Gummy Panda

El Weirdo wrote: »

IrishAm wrote: »

The German kid whom organised this is in Ireland as we speak. He is 23. An IT specialist. Fired from his job for speaking about his political beliefs on German TV. He now operates his own company.

Sound lad.

Indeed, he sounds quite the treasure. :rolleyes:

Appears that he has a lot of fans amongst the mouth-breathers over on Stormfront.

What's his political views?

the_syco

Wouldn't work in Ireland; the usual suspects would just get violent and start causing damage.

Dyr

Gummy Panda wrote: »

What's his political views?

I'd imagine that they involve panzers at some stage

alastair

Gummy Panda wrote: »

What's his political views?

Standard racist right-wing/neo-nazi fare with a twist of social network and copycat Anonymous stylings.

Nodin

IrishAm wrote: »

In Germany, right wing patriots.......

Ahahahahahahaha....gas. "right wing patriots". That is a good one allright.

El Weirdo

Gummy Panda wrote: »

What's his political views?

According to a rough translation of this video on Stormfront, he thinks that the NDP aren't doing enough to stop the "demographic catastrophe" in Germany and that the German people have been duped for 60 years.

Bare in mind that I'm paraphrasing a pretty crap translation from SF, so if anyone that speaks German can translate, that'd be a great help.

humbert

I'd love to see a protest like that for something like fathers rights or funding for a children's hospital.

El Weirdo

humbert wrote: »

I'd love to see a protest like that for something like fathers rights or funding for a children's hospital.

"The Josef Mengele Paediatric Centre", maybe?

CruelCoin

Should be banned.

The point of a protest is to draw attention to a point/issue, not to intimidate.

I can't think of any reason why its justifiable to march in that way.

I'm right-wing myself, and agree with most of their views, but this is a step too far, straying from indignation/outrage to knackerism.

Jester252

Because nothing says democracy like using intimidation to get your way.

Mr Benevolent

The German way. It hasn't gone away, just modified its methods to liquidate the unpure.

kevmol88

This muppet has had to re think his right wing ways ::D

Poster boy of Hungary's fascist right quits after Jewish roots revealed

Grandmother of MEP who gained notoriety with anti-Semitic party was Holocaust survivor

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/poster-boy-of-hungarys-fascist-right-quits-after-jewish-roots-revealed-8054031.html

Biggins

Bambi wrote: »

Can we not just hurl rocks at windows?

Or do nothing as we are so good at?

Bill Gates would not be impressed!

Jester252 wrote: »

Because nothing says democracy like using intimidation to get your way.

Was that a quote from Phil Hogan?

Kurz

Racists, a great bunch of lads.

RDM_83 again

BOF666 wrote: »

Just throw on a few balaclavas sure! Not sure how well they'd go down with the Gardaí though…

Balaclavas could be considered as possessing "items for use in terrorism" AFAIK

Colmustard

A protest for what, our government are not acting against the people, our government are trying to sort out the mess we are in.

We could do that but it is not going to cancel the debt or up Ireland,s productivity, we are here and there is nothing anyone can do to change our economic circumstances.

Actually I think Enda and crew are doing a good job. We may not need a second bail-out.

griffdaddy

Say what you like about the Germans, they make exceedingly good pornography.

mrduffy

alastair wrote: »

Standard racist right-wing/neo-nazi fare with a twist of social network and copycat Anonymous stylings.

are you certain this is true ? mainstream media seem to call any opposition to multiculturalism on their neighbourhoods as what you say ! Do you think multiculturalism is equal over the world ?

alastair

mrduffy wrote: »

are you certain this is true ? mainstream media seem to call any opposition to multiculturalism on their neighbourhoods as what you say ! Do you think multiculturalism is equal over the world ?

Oh they're racist neo-nazis alright: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2Fgesellschaft%2Fzeitgeschehen%2F2012-03%2Funsterbliche-flashmobs-neonazis-bautzen

Nice attempt to deflect all the same.

Casillas

I'm not too sure how people on this small island could remain anonymous with marches like that.

It'd be advertised on boards, we'd organise buses from local towns, we'd upload instagram photos of ourselves in the pub beforehand onto FB - afterwards we'll vote FF again cause' what's the alternative...

PseudoFamous

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Balaclavas could be considered as possessing "items for use in terrorism" AFAIK

I own a balaclava for snowboarding/skiing, now I'm a terrorist. Great.

mrduffy

alastair wrote: »

Oh they're racist neo-nazis alright: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2Fgesellschaft%2Fzeitgeschehen%2F2012-03%2Funsterbliche-flashmobs-neonazis-bautzen

Nice attempt to deflect all the same.

I agree from reading source, I just never heard of anoynomous like this I though they were on internet hacking sites and other stuff.

Biggins

...By the way, they have been found guilt its been announced - of "Religious Hatred".

http://www.thejournal.ie/pussy-riot-found-guilty-of-hoolganism-motivated-by-religious-hatred-562084-Aug2012/

Piss poor excuse - found guilt on nothing to do with religion. They were protesting against the thug Putin.

Trine

If this happened in Ireland, it would involve about 12 teenage protesters, not wearing the same mask, milling around in an unorganised fashion.

Yet they'd still put the apocalyptic music on top of it, making it even more ridiculous.

marshbaboon

Those zany Germans and their white supremacy :rolleyes:

Sleepy

The guys are morons. Everyone knows if you're going to do a masked protest you wear guy fawkes masks...

Real Life

they're lucky they're not in south africa

Wibbs

marshbaboon wrote: »

Those zany Germans and their white supremacy :rolleyes:

Not just the Germans, though they're the go to whipping boys for it. Damn near every nation said Germans rolled into in WW2 were only too happy to give up their own people considered not quite "ours". The Swedes were using forced sterilisations for "undesirable" people until the 1970's.

southsiderosie

This group is deliberately re-creating the kinds of night marches and intimidation tactics used during the Third Reich and by the Ku Klux Klan. Nothing new here under the sun except for the numpty on his mobile phone while leading the march.

On a different note, I hate cowardly right-wingers who try to intimidate others while hiding their own identity - the Klan being a prime example. Take the masks off and stand over your beliefs.

I am pie

southsiderosie wrote: »

This group is deliberately re-creating the kinds of night marches and intimidation tactics used during the Third Reich and by the Ku Klux Klan. Nothing new here under the sun except for the numpty on his mobile phone while leading the march.

On a different note, I hate cowardly right-wingers who try to intimidate others while hiding their own identity - the Klan being a prime example. Take the masks off and stand over your beliefs.

True, especially when they are allegedly trying to protect German national identity, by hiding their identity.

Jimoslimos

*shudder*

A load of extreme right-wing racists carrying burning torches through a street in Germany. 'Kristallnacht' was the first word to spring to mind.

southsiderosie

Given that the OP listed these cowards as 'patriots', I have to wonder if the whole point of this thread was to get publicity for a cause he supports. Because I don't see much else to discuss here, other than the frightening normalization of far-right parties and organizations in countries that should know better, given their relatively recent histories - and that was clearly not the intent.

alastair

southsiderosie wrote: »

Given that the OP listed these cowards as 'patriots', I have to wonder if the whole point of this thread was to get publicity for a cause he supports. Because I don't see much else to discuss here, other than the frightening normalization of far-right parties and organizations in countries that should know better, given their relatively recent histories - and that was clearly not the intent.

The OP is a racist. No great mystery about his intent.

up for anything

reminds me of

If you have to hide your face it stands to reason you are ashamed of something.

Wibbs

alastair wrote: »

The OP is a racist. No great mystery about his intent.

Bit strong, don't you think? Easy word to throw around mind you. For me it's often as lazy as the guff the racist types chuck out.

alastair

Wibbs wrote: »

Bit strong, don't you think? Easy word to throw around mind you. For me it's often as lazy as the guff the racist types chuck out.

Nothing lazy about it - completely accurate summation of his own position - read his posts.