Germans allow their army to be deployed on the streets if needed!

German court widens army's internal crisis role

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19295351

The German military will in future be able to use its weapons on German streets in an extreme situation, the Federal Constitutional Court says.
The ruling says the armed forces can be deployed only if Germany faces an assault of "catastrophic proportions", but not to control demonstrations.
The decision to deploy forces must be approved by the federal government.
Severe restrictions on military deployments were set down in the German constitution after Nazi-era abuses.
The court says the military still cannot shoot down a hijacked passenger plane - fighter jets would have to intercept the plane and fire warning shots to force it to land.
After World War II the new constitution ruled that soldiers could not be deployed with guns at the ready on German soil, the BBC's Stephen Evans reports from Berlin.

This could be very worrying, do the German government expect civil unrest in the near future or something and more to the point how long would it be before such powers are granted in other countries or even here!

Could the imminent Euro (currency) breakup be the prelude to a period of strife, aka the European winter....

TeddyTedson

Never underestimate the Germans. Never!

Overheal

Youre reading into this too much. Sounds like a normal piece of legislation that would be common to any country. The US has the National Guard. How is this different?

Just sounds to me like theyre sorting this **** out now before it's actually a problem, much farther into the future.

who what when

What is it about the genetic makeup of germans that makes them love conflict. They're practically addicted to it!

--Kaiser--

This type of thread is more suited to Conspiracy Theories. Tinfoil hats ahoy!

dolanbaker

dolanbaker wrote: »

This could be very worrying, do the German government expect civil unrest in the near future or something and more to the point how long would it be before such powers are granted in other countries or even here!

Could the imminent Euro (currency) breakup be the prelude to a period of strife, aka the European winter....

It's to prevent things like the ****-up at the Munich Olympics where they had to use poorly-trained police and people ended up dead. Think the provision goes back to WWII and I'm just surprised it took them so long to get rid of it.

El Weirdo

The court says the military still cannot shoot down a hijacked passenger plane - fighter jets would have to intercept the plane and fire warning shots to force it to land.

How in the fuck would that work? If you know they can't shoot you, you'd just keep flying, surely?

who what when

who what when wrote: »

What is it about the genetic makeup of germans that makes them love conflict. They're practically addicted to it!

I'm gonna go with "lolwut?".

who what when

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm gonna go with "lolwut?".

Have you ever watched the history channel?

who what when

who what when wrote: »

Have you ever watched the history channel?

They always just fought among themselves yeah? No other country is comparable?

D1stant

El Weirdo wrote: »

How in the fuck would that work? If you know they can't shoot you, you'd just keep flying, surely?

Well how would it work here?

Scramble one of our 2 (3?) unarmed 40 year old jets and throw cabbages at it?

Stinicker

Ahh the German's a lovely bunch of lads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4K6ZxDwi34

Where To

who what when wrote: »

Have you ever watched the history channel?

Don't you mean The Swamp Axe Truckers Channel?

Where To

Where To wrote: »

Don't you mean The Swamp Axe Truckers Channel?

Therefore, aliens.

B.A._Baracus

Do other countries already not allow this in their constitution?

The americans have "Martial Law"

saiint

law doesnt really matter being honest
in any country in the world
if the goverment thought their would be a civil unrest
the army would be deployed either way
this law just makes them justify it now thats all

smellslikeshoes

This will just allow them to have the same ability as other countries. The restrictions put on the military were massive after WW2.

Chuck Stone

I'd imagine it's a message to neo-Nazis that they will face lethal force if they push things too far - and rightly so.

Sulla Felix

Ich für meinen Teil begrüße unsere neuen Deutsche Uberlorden

policarp

Sulla Felix wrote: »

Ich für meinen Teil begrüße unsere neuen Deutsche Uberlorden

Que?

bdoo

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

This will just allow them to have the same ability as other countries. The restrictions put on the military were massive after WW2.

They were bigger after WW1! Didn't stop Adolf!

I remember a fella being in our house when I was a kid, a man from the north, he was goin on about the proposed single currency, I can't remember his exact words but the just of it was that the euro was the third German attempt at European domination.

P_1

Sulla Felix wrote: »

Ich für meinen Teil begrüße unsere neuen Deutsche Uberlorden

I thought we had welcomed them years ago, nein?

megafan

If at first you don't succeed try, try & try again...... they certianly have us under control now........

Nodin

who what when wrote: »

What is it about the genetic makeup of germans that makes them love conflict. They're practically addicted to it!

......how do you think the Brits, French and Russians got their empires? Hugs and cake?

Crann na Beatha

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osheen

Aquila wrote: »

Nodin wrote: »

......how do you think the Brits, French and Russians got their empires? Hugs and cake?

Ale,Champagne and Vodka?:pac:

Dont forget the hundreds of thousands of irish men that helped the brits do it. and one time nearly 60% of their army and navy were irishmen.

dj jarvis

na , rubbish

the Germans are just catching up with the rest of EU nations ,
they were not allowed due to laws from after ww2

there was a similar uproar when the germans were allowed to send troops to Afghanistan under the NATO banner , it was the first time German combat troops have left Germany since ww2 ,

and they did not invade Europe then so cant se why now , non story IMO

jay-me

osheen wrote: »

Dont forget the hundreds of thousands of irish men that helped the brits do it. and one time nearly 60% of their army and navy were irishmen.

They also drank the majority of the aforementioned drinks!!

wendell borton

[QUOTE=--Kaiser--;80290249]This type of thread is more suited to Conspiracy Theories. Tinfoil hats ahoy![/QUOTE]

The gerrys trying to dismiss the concern caused by this as crazy conspiracy theory ravings, who do they think they are fooling.:rolleyes:

"We serve neither King nor Kaiser but Ireland"

Yester

D1stant wrote: »

Well how would it work here?

Scramble one of our 2 (3?) unarmed 40 year old jets and throw cabbages at it?

We can only fire warning cabbages.

Colmustard

Sulla Felix wrote: »

Ich für meinen Teil begrüße unsere neuen Deutsche Uberlorden

I don't understand why you are posting in Irish,:(

The German army have been deployed with Nato they served in Kosovo and are currently serving in Afghanistan but in a limited way.

They are not what they use to be. I read an account about a post they were guarding that came under rocket fire, so they abandoned it. The Canadian commander of the post asked why and the excuse given was it was to cold and not heated properly.

Yeah that's my type of army. If all armies took that attitude there would be no wars anymore.

asherbassad

dolanbaker wrote: »

This could be very worrying, do the German government expect civil unrest in the near future or something and more to the point how long would it be before such powers are granted in other countries or even here!

Could the imminent Euro (currency) breakup be the prelude to a period of strife, aka the European winter....

German troops to be on Irish streets in 15 years.
Of course by then you and I won't care but our kids will be getting used to being punched up by Otto and Gunther.

Ask a kid today if he ever bought a CD. You'll be met with a blank stare. Ask a kid under the age of 25 if he ever got on a plane without taking his shoes off....blank stare.

And so it goes.

Get old gracefully and die, rememberers of freedom. Let the next generation accept their lot. Fcuk 'em.

CreepingDeath

D1stant wrote: »

Well how would it work here?

Scramble one of our 2 (3?) unarmed 40 year old jets and throw cabbages at it?

Civil unrest is a clear possibility in this economic storm.
Look at the Greeks, having running battles outside their parliament but it's hardly reported in international news.

The EU has to play politics like chess, a couple of moves ahead.
Have the legislation in place, before anything they think might happen, so they have the legal powers to address it.

Hopefully, it's only a local German thing, where they are propping up the EU and worried about a civil backlash in their own country.

Nidge_Weasel

Yester wrote: »

We can only fire warning cabbages.

Brussel Sprouts?

Biggins

dolanbaker wrote: »

This could be very worrying, do the German government expect civil unrest in the near future or something and more to the point how long would it be before such powers are granted in other countries or even here!

Could the imminent Euro (currency) breakup be the prelude to a period of strife, aka the European winter....

At least they have regulated for such an event.

Look at America - they shoved a private military company (PMC - Blackwater, now again renamed given their such bad name they gained) onto the streets of New Orleans when the floods happened!
(The Center for Public Integrity reported that since 1994, the Defense Department entered into 3,601 contracts worth 243.17€ billion with 12 U.S. based various PMCs within the United States, specifically during the initial response after Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.) LINK1 - LINK2.

Jennifer Parker

asherbassad wrote: »

Of course by then you and I won't care but our kids will be getting used to being punched up by Otto and Gunther.

doubt that... exept you want to get punched by at least 60 year olds...
Kevin, Leon, Justin or Jason are more likely...

An Coilean

This hypersensitivity over what the Germans do is really getting old.

Imagine the headlines if Germany tried to introduce some of the things we have had for years and take for granted these days.
The Special Criminal Court for example.

Overheal

who what when wrote: »

What is it about the genetic makeup of germans that makes them love conflict. They're practically addicted to it!

who what when wrote: »

Have you ever watched the history channel?

:rolleyes:

/dont say anything, dont say anything, dont say anything...

--Kaiser--

Overheal wrote: »

:rolleyes:

/dont say anything, dont say anything, dont say anything...

Don't feed the troll

Pottler

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Civil unrest is a clear possibility in this economic storm.
Look at the Greeks, having running battles outside their parliament but it's hardly reported in international news.

The EU has to play politics like chess, a couple of moves ahead.
Have the legislation in place, before anything they think might happen, so they have the legal powers to address it.

Hopefully, it's only a local German thing, where they are propping up the EU and worried about a civil backlash in their own country.

I agree with this^, but I'd put an agricultural as well as an economic spin on it. The economy of europe is headed down the loo, but food is a bigger, un-mentioned issue. Due to the poor/disasterous world grain harvest this year, grain is both dear and scarce. That is bankrupting pig and poultry producers daily, but price increases are not being passed onto consumers, YET. So, dearer bread, no/dear spuds, dear meat, dear milk, dear everything. That leads rapidly to civil disobedience, as hungry/unemployed people tend to get p1ssed off. This is all well anticipated, and legislation to deal with the fallout is being rushed through. This will be a fun winter in the world.:)

Pottler

Pottler wrote: »

I agree with this^, but I'd put an agricultural as well as an economic spin on it. The economy of europe is headed down the loo, but food is a bigger, un-mentioned issue. Due to the poor/disasterous world grain harvest this year, grain is both dear and scarce. That is bankrupting pig and poultry producers daily, but price increases are not being passed onto consumers, YET. So, dearer bread, no/dear spuds, dear meat, dear milk, dear everything. That leads rapidly to civil disobedience, as hungry/unemployed people tend to get p1ssed off. This is all well anticipated, and legislation to deal with the fallout is being rushed through. This will be a fun winter in the world.:)

I don't a sudden ****-hitting-the-fan moment but over the next while there's going to be a drop in living standards in the west due to food prices. Much of the Arab Spring was linked to food prices, hundreds of thousands turned out for a protest in Israel due to cost of living increases and after the ridiculous summer we just had things are going to get worse. There's over a billion people in each of Africa, India and China with changing dietary preferences that it's unlikely can be met while prices stay as they are in the west.

Pottler

Biggins wrote: »

At least they have regulated for such an event.

Look at America - they shoved a private military company (PMC - Blackwater, now again renamed given their such bad name they gained) onto the streets of New Orleans when the floods happened!
(The Center for Public Integrity reported that since 1994, the Defense Department entered into 3,601 contracts worth 243.17€ billion with 12 U.S. based various PMCs within the United States, specifically during the initial response after Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.) LINK1 - LINK2.

I also agree with this^. PMC and Privsec are the new boom industries, and it's boomier they will get. Economic forecasters are predicting that from 2013 forward, Private Security will be the number 1 growth industry in the western world. That will also be interesting. Paradoxically, cost cutting is the "main driver",(yeah right)usually cited, but actually it's vastly more expensive, but more deniable and more palatable than having the Govts forces do the dirty work. Also, when people can't afford Armani, they tend to cope. When people can't afford bread, they turn desperate, then uncontrollable, then nasty.

skinny90

It will be like gta but a bit more realistic...

Run_to_da_hills

Overheal wrote: »

Youre reading into this too much. Sounds like a normal piece of legislation that would be common to any country. The US has the National Guard. How is this different?

Just sounds to me like theyre sorting this **** out now before it's actually a problem, much farther into the future.

The situation in the US is extremely worrying at the moment.

US state departments some which had little or no connection with artillery are now arming themselves to the teeth.

http://www.timetoast.com/timelines/what-are-they-preparing-for--2

http://www.naturalnews.com/035649_DHS_ammunition_domestic_war.html

Mint Sauce

Bald werden wir alle sprechen Deutsch



























































Ah warten!

:pac:

Ellis Dee

Overheal wrote: »

Youre reading into this too much. Sounds like a normal piece of legislation that would be common to any country. The US has the National Guard. How is this different?

Just sounds to me like theyre sorting this **** out now before it's actually a problem, much farther into the future.

Agreed. It's called "contingency planning". The Germans are weird in that respect. They actually imagine extreme situations that could arise in the future and (gulp!) draft plans for dealing with them. :)


Let's hope we never get into that kind of stuff here in Ireland. :rolleyes:

Oh, wait! What were all those armed soldiers doing fanned out across the street outside that bank in Portlaoise yesterday (Thursday)? Could it have been some kind of exercise? Or were they actually practising something that the Bundesverfassungsgericht has now declared to be theoretically possible in Germany?

indioblack

Sulla Felix wrote: »

Ich für meinen Teil begrüße unsere neuen Deutsche Uberlorden

Easy for you to say.

peasant

All credit to conspiracy theories, spiraling grain prices, the collapsing Euro and the eternal German yearning for world domination ....


...but that's not what this is about

Soon after 9/11 the question was raised if it could be put into law that the German airforce would be allowed to shoot down hijacked civilian planes in a similar situation.

This question was decided negatively by the first stage of the German constitional court who ruled that the German military may not be deployed under weapons (in any form) on German soil. (The ruling is a mile long and in legalese German, so this is the tl/dr version )

The federal states of Hessen and Bayern challenged that ruling as they had (their own) laws that allowed deployment of the army (under waepons) in specific cases.

The higher chamber of the constitutional court has now ruled that the army can indeed be deployed under weapons in cases of extreme crisis (but not against protesters) but that shooting down planes still isn't on.

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/verfassungsgericht-karlsruhe-billigt-militaerischen-einsatz-im-inland-11858874.html

As they couldn't decide on specific guidelines and kept it all a bit wishy-washy, I would expect that this isn't the final ruling on this matter as any new law regulating the deployment of the army will surely be challenged again.


TL/DR:
No, the Germans are not going to invade any time soon

V_Moth

peasant wrote: »

TL/DR:
No, the Germans are not going to invade any time soon

A mod for German and.... Campervans :eek:

I knew it! Your devious plans have been foiled again, Schweinhund! :P

Pottler

irish-stew wrote: »

Bald werden wir alle sprechen Deutsch



























































Ah warten!

:pac:

Das Geht Leicht mit mir, alles gut, Ich glaube. Ein man hat zu mir gesacht,"gehen sie auf eine fahrt zu Poland?"
"Nur auf ketten!"

Nodin

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Agreed. It's called "contingency planning". The Germans are weird in that respect. They actually imagine extreme situations that could arise in the future and (gulp!) draft plans for dealing with them.


....

What a barbaric place. They probably have policies they actually believe in, that actually work......