Tallaght - officially worst place to live in the State

Motorist

Tallaght is now officially the worst place in the State to own a house, at least from a security perspective. 50% more burglaries were reported there than the next worst area.

I see the suburbs of Dundrum and Rathfarnham also make the list. Incidentally, they are both around a ten minute drive from Tallaght.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0820/breaking3.html

MagicMarker

Well at least we're the best at something.

Dave0301

Heh, this'll end well!

Ghandee

Bollox!

Tallaght has its good and bad parts, just like any other place in the country.

Name me an area in Ireland, any area, and I bet someone could tell you it has a dodgy part.

I'm not from Tallaght, but I spend a lot of time in and around it, its no rougher than any other place IMO.

FatherLen

i lived in tallaght for over ten years and never had anything stolen from me. tallaght is huge. there are nice parts and rough parts. unfortunately the rough parts bring the rest of the place down.

incidentally, i moved to clontarf recently and within two weeks of living there, one of the cars was broken into.


EDIT: magicsean has reminded me of at least one thing that was stolen from me. damn him.

Big Nasty

I would rather live in Jobstown than Moyross any day of the week.

bluecode

Lies damm lies and statistics. Tallaght is of course huge, so of course it has more burglaries.

But note this comment in the article:

Garda sources said some neighbourhoods in south Dublin and other mainly middle-class parts of the State have seen burglary rate shigher than general crime rates in those areas.

That makes Tallaght middle class I think. Particularly when it's mentioned alongside Dundrum and Rathfarnham. Let's face it there's no pointing breaking into the houses of poor people.

I think there might be connection to the M50 here. Most of the areas mentioned border it.

My theory is that it's Northsiders coming down and robbing. Bet they don't pay the toll either.:p

mitosis

Motorist wrote: »

Tallaght is now officially the worst place in the State to own a house, at least from a security perspective. 50% more burglaries were reported there than the next worst area.

I see the suburbs of Dundrum and Rathfarnham also make the list. Incidentally, they are both around a ten minute drive from Tallaght.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0820/breaking3.html

Do the figures account per population of the Garda catchment? No? Seems to me the most populous areas will have the most incidents generally.

Motorist

MCMLXXV wrote: »

I would rather live in Jobstown than Moyross any day of the week.

That's not much of a compliment to Jobstown which is one of the worst examples of residential planning I have ever seen. Rows and rows of housing estates - literally thousands of houses with no proper facilities or green spaces. It's an awful eye sore as you drive back from scenic Wicklow.

Cienciano

Ghandee wrote: »

Bollox!

Tallaght has its good and bad parts, just like any other place in the country.

Name me an area in Ireland, any area, and I bet someone could tell you it has a dodgy part.

I'm not from Tallaght, but I spend a lot of time in and around it, its no rougher than any other place IMO.

Dalkey, Killiney, Foxrock? Tallagh no rougher than those? Do they have dodgy areas?
Millions of small villages that have no dodgy area either.

mikemac1

The other article about Ronnie the burgler was more interesting

Something to watch for

You just go up to a gaff, knock on the front door and if someone answers say you want a drink of water or water for the car. If nobody answers, just go round the back and get in.

Must be the new my cat was in your garden mister

I don’t do old people’s gaffs,

You never rob from the working class area you’re from; no way.

Honour among thieves :rolleyes:

latenia

Very poor journalism; they use the word "rate" when the figures they show are total amounts per garda station. Tallaght has more people than Limerick or Galway.

phasers

Clondalkin's not on the list? Yay! Suck it Blanchardstown!

saiint

My girlfriend lives in
Fettercairn
one of the worse places in Tallaght
have to say if you went into them estates youd see why tallaght has its bad name
nothing but muppets on every corner, the smell of weed is in the air
theirs more weed then oxygen
guarda everywere but do feck all about the kids standing on corners acting mad
cars burnin around corners you can smell the rubber off the wheels
drug dealing done in broad daylight in the middle of fields
i actually know several places where drug dealers hide their stash because thats shows how much control the guarda have on the area
i could have over a hundred grand worth of drugs in my hand this afternoon if i wanted
constant shootings,knife attacks , knackers jumping on random people for their phone ( i actually know someone who is going back into the joy in a couple of months ) he actually said to me
*i go to a park, see anyone walking by me with a nice phone, give them a smack , get their phone and money or what ever they have on them, sell it and save up for money so i can have money in the joy*

he said one day he hit some fella, the fella start crying , he asked for the poor fellas phone, it was a blockia a really old old phone, he just said to the poor youngfella *heres your phone back dont let anyone hit ya*

sad fecker haha
Tallaght is by far the worse area ive ever been to , its like the joy ina way its were all the mad lads go haha

SEPT 23 1989

Tallaght is bigger than most of the so called citys we have in this country and like every city it has its problems

Skid

mitosis wrote: »

Do the figures account per population of the Garda catchment? No? Seems to me the most populous areas will have the most incidents generally.

Correct. This is a misleading piece of data manipulation which makes no account of population in each Garda station catchment area. Dreadful reporting by The Irish Times.

Ghandee

Cienciano wrote: »

Dalkey, Killiney, Foxrock? Tallagh no rougher than those? Do they have dodgy areas?
Millions of small villages that have no dodgy area either.

Tallaght is a big place.

I'm sure Dalkey and Killiney and even Foxrock have dodgy parts to them. (or at the very least dodgy people living in them)

To say 'Tallaght' is rough, is like saying Ireland is rough.

You cant let a small minority of thugs bring down a whole area like Tallaght.

Does Blackrock have a thug or two living in it? I'd assume it has.
Cant tar the whole place with the one brush though.

bluecode

Cienciano wrote: »

Dalkey, Killiney, Foxrock? Tallagh no rougher than those? Do they have dodgy areas?
Millions of small villages that have no dodgy area either.

They all do, not so much dodgy areas as dodgy pockets of dodgy people. Dublin 4 has it's fair share of dodgy areas too.

Even really nice towns and villages have their crime sprees. In one midland small town lately a certain individual got out of prison and immediately there was a spate of burglaries in the town and surrounds. He was caught again along with associates. CCTV caught him. The local CCTV and alarm specialist made a small fortune of late.

But certain towns in this country are worse than anything you get anywhere in Dublin. But you never hear of them.

MagicSean

FatherLen wrote: »

i lived in tallaght for over ten years and never had anything stolen from me. tallaght is huge. there are nice parts and rough parts. unfortunately the rough parts bring the rest of the place down.

incidentally, i moved to clontarf recently and within two weeks of living there, one of the cars was broken into.

Wasn't your moped stolen in Tallaght?

Dave0301

saiint wrote: »

My girlfriend lives in
Fettercairn
one of the worse places in Tallaght
have to say if you went into them estates youd see why tallaght has its bad name
nothing but muppets on every corner, the smell of weed is in the air
theirs more weed then oxygen
guarda everywere but do feck all about the kids standing on corners acting mad
cars burnin around corners you can smell the rubber off the wheels
drug dealing done in broad daylight in the middle of fields
i actually know several places where drug dealers hide their stash because thats shows how much control the guarda have on the area
i could have over a hundred grand worth of drugs in my hand this afternoon if i wanted
constant shootings,knife attacks , knackers jumping on random people for their phone ( i actually know someone who is going back into the joy in a couple of months ) he actually said to me
*i go to a park, see anyone walking by me with a nice phone, give them a smack , get their phone and money or what ever they have on them, sell it and save up for money so i can have money in the joy*

he said one day he hit some fella, the fella start crying , he asked for the poor fellas phone, it was a blockia a really old old phone, he just said to the poor youngfella *heres your phone back dont let anyone hit ya*

sad fecker haha
Tallaght is by far the worse area ive ever been to , its like the joy ina way its were all the mad lads go haha

We still talking about Tallaght or Baltimore from The Wire?

dodderangler

Ah well
Couldn't care what people say
I'm proud of where I live ( probably cuz I'm
Not in the bad parts of tallaght) but all areas have they good areas and bad
The top end of tallaght is a disgrace tho

Ghandee

Dave0301 wrote: »

We still talking about Tallaght or Baltimore from The Wire?

Hamsterdam

MagicSean

Dave0301 wrote: »

We still talking about Tallaght or Baltimore from The Wire?

I think a lot of people would be surprised at how true to life that show is.

BostonB

The biggest areas have the highest figures. What moronic reporting is this?

I would question why someone would write such a poor article with this heading. They could have used a different title and done some analysis of the figures. I think I would be asking my local politicians to put some pressure on the paper for this kinda crud.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Tallaght is bigger than most of the so called citys we have in this country and like every city it has its problems

Tallaght has more problems than any city I know in the country. The crime figures back this up. Limerick has a bad rep and it doesn't come close to Tallaght's statistics. Limerick and Derry are roughly the same size and Galway just slightly smaller and while I know Derry is technically a different jurisdiction and I have no figures to back it up, I'd suggest that the crime rate there is much lower aswell.

I'm not slagging Tallaght off, I know some nice areas there and some lovely people from it, but at the end of the day, the area has an undeniable problem and there's no point in trying to ignore that.

Dave0301

MagicSean wrote: »

I think a lot of people would be surprised at how true to life that show is.

Oh I know it's renown for it's realism and that's part of why I like it so much. I've lived in Ballymun and worked in Ballyfermot so can't give too much of an opinion on Tallaght but the description above struck me as something more akin from The Wire!

FatherLen

MagicSean wrote: »

Wasn't your moped stolen in Tallaght?

ha balls completely forgot about that. and it wasn't a moped, it was a huge massive really fast motorbike.

fran oconnor

dodderangler wrote: »

Ah well
Couldn't care what people say
I'm proud of where I live ( probably cuz I'm
Not in the bad parts of tallaght) but all areas have they good areas and bad
The top end of tallaght is a disgrace tho

I'm 32 and have lived here all my life, i have seen some bad stuff happan down through the years, but i have also grown up around some very decent people, at this stage i dont think id live anywhere else.

I dont get the way they do these stats tho, we have one Garda station for the population of a city ffs.

Father Damo

saiint wrote: »

i actually know several places where drug dealers hide their stash because thats shows how much control the guarda have on the area
i could have over a hundred grand worth of drugs in my hand this afternoon if i wanted

You know the exact location of a six figure quantity of someone elses drugs hidden in a field?

Do you fcuk.

Motorist

Random intresting fact - A branch of Domino’s located in the Square shopping centre is the busiest of its 8,000 stores worldwide, apparently selling up to 200 pizzas an hour. The branch is the first in Domino’s 45-year history to hit a turnover of $3m (€2.35m) a year. The chain says that requires 1m pizzas a year or an eye-watering three a minute for every one of the 12 hours a day the branch is open.

ThisRegard

saiint wrote: »

My girlfriend lives in
Fettercairn
one of the worse places in Tallaght blah blah nonsense nosense

Well I can tell you that the level of education there is at a much higher level than where ever you're from, so at least they have a good chance of making something of themselves instead of planning to rob mystery stashes.

sbsquarepants

saiint wrote: »

i actually know several places where drug dealers hide their stash because thats shows how much control the guarda have on the area
i could have over a hundred grand worth of drugs in my hand this afternoon if i wanted
constant shootings,knife attacks ,

Fantasise much there, saiint!
I'd say the only thing you could have in your hand this afternoon is your todger - which will come in handy if that girlfriend you mentioned is as factual as the rest of your bullshít.

BostonB

deccurley wrote: »

Tallaght has more problems than any city I know in the country.....

The problem there is you comparing a city which is much for varied in its make up than a massive suburban area. Its going to have radically different problems.

Which why when looking at figures like this you have to look beyond the pure numbers.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Motorist wrote: »

Random intresting fact - A branch of Domino’s located in the Square shopping centre is the busiest of its 8,000 stores worldwide, apparently selling up to 200 pizzas an hour. The branch is the first in Domino’s 45-year history to hit a turnover of $3m (€2.35m) a year. The chain says that requires 1m pizzas a year or an eye-watering three a minute for every one of the 12 hours a day the branch is open.

I'm surprised Domino's only make around €2.35 profit on each pizza considering the prices they charge!

I remember reading about that before but I think that was around 2006/07. I wonder is it still the busiest in the world??

Guy:Incognito

Motorist wrote: »

I see the suburbs of Dundrum and Rathfarnham also make the list. Incidentally, they are both around a ten minute drive from Tallaght.
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You mean Tallaght is a ten minute drive from Dundrum and Rathfarnham...........

dodderangler

fran oconnor wrote: »

dodderangler wrote: »

Ah well
Couldn't care what people say
I'm proud of where I live ( probably cuz I'm
Not in the bad parts of tallaght) but all areas have they good areas and bad
The top end of tallaght is a disgrace tho

I'm 32 and have lived here all my life, i have seen some bad stuff happan down through the years, but i have also grown up around some very decent people, at this stage i dont think id live anywhere else.

I dont get the way they do these stats tho, we have one Garda station for the population of a city ffs.

Yeah I totally agree
1 Garda station for the population in tallaght is ridiculous
I love tallaght don't get me wrong lived here all me life but the scum have destroyed it

Jarren

Motorist wrote: »

Random intresting fact - A branch of Domino’s located in the Square shopping centre is the busiest of its 8,000 stores worldwide, apparently selling up to 200 pizzas an hour. The branch is the first in Domino’s 45-year history to hit a turnover of $3m (€2.35m) a year. The chain says that requires 1m pizzas a year or an eye-watering three a minute for every one of the 12 hours a day the branch is open.

and your point of random interesting fact is ?

MagicMarker

Jarren wrote: »

and your point of random interesting fact is ?

Scummers like dominos.

Motorist

Jarren wrote: »

and your point of random interesting fact is ?

Higher-quality diets are associated with greater affluence, energy-dense diets that are nutrient-poor are preferentially consumed by persons of lower socioeconomic status and of more limited economic means. Tallaght also has one of the highest unemployment rates of any area in the country. All of these are correlated. No surprise to see crime is higher there.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

BostonB wrote: »

The problem there is you comparing a city which is much for varied in its make up than a massive suburban area. Its going to have radically different problems.

Which why when looking at figures like this you have to look beyond the pure numbers.

True to a degree, although Tallaght still has it's own CBD, smaller than a city of it's size elsewhere admittedly, but it has the basic makeup of a city of it's own.

I see your point, but I don't think it validates the figures completely..

CSU

MagicMarker wrote: »

Scummers like dominos.

*claps*

Bravo you flucking idiot.

+++

Apart from the odd idiot around Tallaght I have to take my hat off to the council as they keep the place 90% looking great/clean/tidy.

2c

Odysseus

I have to say bollock's to this. I have worked in Tallaght with addicts and some serious criminals for over a decade, and yeah some of this is true or based in truth. However, saving up for when he is in the joy:rolleyes:


My ex lived in that estate, for years I stayed there no problems. Of course there are lots of drugs, I would be out of work otherwise, but it's not a no go area.


Tallaght is too big of an area with too many private and council estates with varying degrees of services to generalise on it as a whole. Lots of social problems to be found, however, plenty of decent estates too.

saiint wrote: »

My girlfriend lives in
Fettercairn
one of the worse places in Tallaght
have to say if you went into them estates youd see why tallaght has its bad name
nothing but muppets on every corner, the smell of weed is in the air
theirs more weed then oxygen
guarda everywere but do feck all about the kids standing on corners acting mad
cars burnin around corners you can smell the rubber off the wheels
drug dealing done in broad daylight in the middle of fields
i actually know several places where drug dealers hide their stash because thats shows how much control the guarda have on the area
i could have over a hundred grand worth of drugs in my hand this afternoon if i wanted
constant shootings,knife attacks , knackers jumping on random people for their phone ( i actually know someone who is going back into the joy in a couple of months ) he actually said to me
*i go to a park, see anyone walking by me with a nice phone, give them a smack , get their phone and money or what ever they have on them, sell it and save up for money so i can have money in the joy*

he said one day he hit some fella, the fella start crying , he asked for the poor fellas phone, it was a blockia a really old old phone, he just said to the poor youngfella *heres your phone back dont let anyone hit ya*

sad fecker haha
Tallaght is by far the worse area ive ever been to , its like the joy ina way its were all the mad lads go haha

Father Damo

Odysseus wrote: »

Of course there are lots of drugs, I would be out of work otherwise,.

You might be if Saiint robs your stash :pac: He knows where they all are apparently.

No wonder there is so much drug abuse in Tallaght if people can just easily find free multi kilo amounts poorly concealed in the fields.:P

frankled

saiint wrote: »

My girlfriend lives in
Fettercairn
one of the worse places in Tallaght
have to say if you went into them estates youd see why tallaght has its bad name
nothing but muppets on every corner, the smell of weed is in the air
theirs more weed then oxygen
guarda everywere but do feck all about the kids standing on corners acting mad
cars burnin around corners you can smell the rubber off the wheels
drug dealing done in broad daylight in the middle of fields
i actually know several places where drug dealers hide their stash because thats shows how much control the guarda have on the area
i could have over a hundred grand worth of drugs in my hand this afternoon if i wanted
constant shootings,knife attacks , knackers jumping on random people for their phone ( i actually know someone who is going back into the joy in a couple of months ) he actually said to me
*i go to a park, see anyone walking by me with a nice phone, give them a smack , get their phone and money or what ever they have on them, sell it and save up for money so i can have money in the joy*

he said one day he hit some fella, the fella start crying , he asked for the poor fellas phone, it was a blockia a really old old phone, he just said to the poor youngfella *heres your phone back dont let anyone hit ya*

sad fecker haha
Tallaght is by far the worse area ive ever been to , its like the joy ina way its were all the mad lads go haha

That was brilliant.

I'm from Tallaght, it's not as bad as made out, in saying that it is a massive working-class area, no doubt about that. Above article is grasping at straws though.

Dave!

Whether or not Tallaght is the worst for crime, I wish people would ditch this politically correct notion that "everywhere has its bad parts". It may be the case that each area has its parts that are "worse" relative to the area as a whole, but that doesn't mean that the "bad" parts of Foxrock are the same as the bad parts of Tallaght.

This is the same false balance nonsense that gets trotted out in the media for certain scientific debates, and the conclusion ends up being "So the jury is still out on whether gravity exists as a force in the universe". Just because crime exists in different areas doesn't mean that it is evenly distributed across the whole country. Certain areas are crime black spots, there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that.

On the subject, as mentioned there seems to have been a lack of thought put into the article. Having said that, my parents (who live in Tallaght) were only saying that someone was trying to break into a neighbour's house recently. Better be vigilant these days...

Cienciano

Father Damo wrote: »

You know the exact location of a six figure quantity of someone elses drugs hidden in a field?

Do you fcuk.

He means 6 figure as in €1,000.00

Colmustard

Tallagh Clondalkin is just like everywhere else, 99% of the area and people are sound, but the 1% scumbags ruin an area for everybody else.

Tallagh/clondalkin is very self contained. It has everything from shopping districts, theatres, stadiums, nightclubs some people from these area seldom go into town, they don't have to.

I work over there and they are the salt of the Earth people. I like this stat as I get some playful lackery about been a northside scumbag, so this will be some slagging back in their face.

admiralofthefleet

very surprised by this as the terrible journalism is usually aimed at north dublin, even though there are more working class 'rough' areas south of the liffey.

dundrum has bad areas, sweetmount is one
rathfarnham has holylands
blackrock has brookfield
killiney has cromlech fields
shankill, although its a decent village has shanganagh cliffs
ranelagh has mount pleasant
rathmines

the list goes on. yes, the northside has rough areas but people only ever seem to concentrate on them. south dublin is far rougher

Motorist

Colmustard wrote: »

Tallagh Clondalkin is just like everywhere else, 99% of the area and people are sound, but the 1% scumbags ruin an area for everybody else.

Tallagh/clondalkin is very self contained. It has everything from shopping districts, theatres, stadiums, nightclubs some people from these area seldom go into town, they don't have to.

I work over there and they are the salt of the Earth people. I like this stat as I get some playful lackery about been a northside scumbag, so this will be some slagging back in their face.

I agree with you that there are very sound people in Tallaght. Although, I'd say the scum element is significantly higher than 1%, and the remaining percentage has a sliding scale of how law abiding they are. I spoke to one Garda traffic corp member who took an ANPR car out around Tallaght. He said the thing was constantly lit up like a Christmas tree for no motor tax, etc. He had to turn it off.

xylophones

Colmustard wrote: »

Tallagh Clondalkin is just like everywhere else, 99% of the area and people are sound, but the 1% scumbags ruin an area for everybody else.

Tallagh/clondalkin is very self contained. It has everything from shopping districts, theatres, stadiums, nightclubs some people from these area seldom go into town, they don't have to.

I work over there and they are the salt of the Earth people. I like this stat as I get some playful lackery about been a northside scumbag, so this will be some slagging back in their face.

highly doubt that its just 1% ruining it, id say the ratio of scumbags to 'salt of the earth dubs' is a lot different to what youre letting on! even being at the luas stop up there is taking your life in your own hands...

Cienciano

Dave! wrote: »

Whether or not Tallaght is the worst for crime, I wish people would ditch this politically correct notion that "everywhere has its bad parts". It may be the case that each area has its parts that are "worse" relative to the area as a whole, but that doesn't mean that the "bad" parts of Foxrock are the same as the bad parts of Tallaght.

This is the same false balance nonsense that gets trotted out in the media for certain scientific debates, and the conclusion ends up being "So the jury is still out on whether gravity exists as a force in the universe". Just because crime exists in different areas doesn't mean that it is evenly distributed across the whole country. Certain areas are crime black spots, there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that.

On the subject, as mentioned there seems to have been a lack of thought put into the article. Having said that, my parents (who live in Tallaght) were only saying that someone was trying to break into a neighbour's house recently. Better be vigilant these days...

Exactly. I mean where would you rather live, Tallagh or Foxrock? Both have their bad parts me arse.
Joe Duffy is a fan of this. Always on about what a great place Ballyfermot is. But as soon as he got a few quid he moved out of there to Clontarf.