Tailgating and Road Rage

LiamoSail

gubbie wrote: »

Last time I was tailgated, it was on that bit of road towards Bray where you can go 120kph. I was overtaking a truck going 100kph, I was doing just over 110kph. When I was half way to overtaking the truck, a car came right up on my ass. Once the back of my car was past the truck, he started flashing. I moved in when I could, but only when there was a good 10m between me and the truck. It was a very uncomfortable position to be in. Giant truck beside me, twat in a car almost touching the bumper.

If you were driving at 120kph, this situation could have been avoided. You can't control someone else's actions, only your own, and through your own actions you could have avoided the situation, while getting to your destination quicker and safer

Topper Harley

LiamoSail wrote: »

If you were driving at 120kph, this situation could have been avoided. You can't control someone else's actions, only your own, and through your own actions you could have avoided the situation, while getting to your destination quicker and safer

Not really, the same situation can occur while driving at or over 120kph and it's solely caused by the impatience of the car behind. I can understand somewhat, yet not condone, people getting frustrated while stuck behind someone overtaking slowly, but many people don't give the car in front any time at all to safely complete their overtaking manoeuvre.

To people who find themselves being tailgated while overtaking, just ask yourself a couple of questions before judging the asshole behind:

1) Am I possibly driving in an antagonising manner? (try to be objective and don't justify it because the driver behind is an asshole)

2) Even if not, can I briefly and easily speed up slightly to overtake a bit quicker and facilitate the car behind? (don't be overly pedantic here, it'll only be for a few seconds)

If yes to question 1, then you need to cop on as much as the driver behind. Being the bigger man (or woman) and just letting go of your grievance will probably feel even better than getting one over some asshole.

If yes to question 2, then do so and be on your merry way and let the driver behind be on theirs.

If it's genuinely no to both, then carry on as you were safe in the knowledge that you're doing all you can to drive safely and and without unnecessarily holding someone else up. If they can't deal with that, it's their problem, so try to not let it affect you.

Galwayguy35

There was a guy tailgating me this morning on the way to work.

I travel the old N6 into the city and know where the speed vans do be parked but he obviously didn't because he floored it as soon as he got to the straight part of the road and will probably have an €80 fine for his antics.

Nice to see these guys getting caught now and again.

Topper Harley

looksee wrote: »

Perhaps LordChessington, would like to offer some more evidence on the driving skills of the over 60s, beyond 'I have never seen'?

This entire post was manufactured - no one else had mentioned tiida or note until he cobbled it together to give him an excuse to rant about pensioners. Has anyone ever seen an above average number of 'pensioners' tailgating or engaging in road rage?

I think his point was more to do with the type of drivers who buy Tiidas and Notes rather than older drivers' driving skills.

I think he has a point though, these cars are perfect for a lot retired people. For most, they don't require big cars for ferrying people around and aren't interested in performance or image. They wan't something cheap, simple and reliable. And so they end up with Micras, Tiidas and Notes and frustrate many other drivers who are rushing all over the place all around them.

This isn't an indictment of all OAP drivers or all Micra, Tiida and Note drivers but it's something that has come to my attention as well. I even know some of these types of people personally.

PieForPi

I don't tailgate, I just overtake anyone going slower than the limit, irregardless of the road I'm on.

It's a bit ropey overtaking someone at 45+ in an estate but hey, if they just drove a little quicker it wouldn't have to happen.

SocSocPol

PieForPi wrote: »

I don't tailgate, I just overtake anyone going slower than the limit, irregardless of the road I'm on.

It's a bit ropey overtaking someone at 45+ in an estate but hey, if they just drove a little quicker it wouldn't have to happen.

Speed limit in housing estates is 30kph! Cop on and grow up before you kill some poor kid.:mad:

PieForPi

SocSocPol wrote: »

Speed limit in housing estates is 30kph! Cop on and grow up before you kill some poor kid.:mad:

I was sure that was just a proposal?

Can you link to where it has been written into law?

LiamoSail

Topper Harley wrote: »

Not really, the same situation can occur while driving at or over 120kph and it's solely caused by the impatience of the car behind. I can understand somewhat, yet not condone, people getting frustrated while stuck behind someone overtaking slowly, but many people don't give the car in front any time at all to safely complete their overtaking manoeuvre.

I agree with rest of your post, but in the above situation speeding up would have solved the issue. It can of course still happen at faster speeds, but I was being specific to this scenario

The only time I tail gate is when people do stuff like not move off quick enough at the lights (as if its a fcuking shock that the light has changed from red to green), or when people are slow going through ambers etc

I don't tail gate on the motorway as I think its dangerous, though I've no sympathy for those that get tailgated on a motorway while driving more then 10kph below the limit

Very few people drive for leisure, most do so to get from A to B and in this country a huge amount of people don't get the concept of efficient driving.

That doesn't necessarily equate to speeding, just exercising commonsense. While I don't suffer from road rage, if someone does something stupid I will generally sound a few beeps at them, not out of anger, but to try make them feel a bit stupid about it, and perhaps next time they will be more aware

The Idyll Race

LiamoSail wrote: »

I agree with rest of your post, but in the above situation speeding up would have solved the issue. It can of course still happen at faster speeds, but I was being specific to this scenario

The only time I tail gate is when people do stuff like not move off quick enough at the lights (as if its a fcuking shock that the light has changed from red to green), or when people are slow going through ambers etc

I don't tail gate on the motorway as I think its dangerous, though I've no sympathy for those that get tailgated on a motorway while driving more then 10kph below the limit

Very few people drive for leisure, most do so to get from A to B and in this country a huge amount of people don't get the concept of efficient driving.

That doesn't necessarily equate to speeding, just exercising commonsense. While I don't suffer from road rage, if someone does something stupid I will generally sound a few beeps at them, not out of anger, but to try make them feel a bit stupid about it, and perhaps next time they will be more aware

Trying to make another driver feel a bit of a cúnt? Thought that was one of the definitions of road rage myself but hey ho.

LiamoSail

PieForPi wrote: »

I don't tailgate, I just overtake anyone going slower than the limit, irregardless of the road I'm on.

It's a bit ropey overtaking someone at 45+ in an estate but hey, if they just drove a little quicker it wouldn't have to happen.

In an estate, I take no notice of the limit, I drive at speed I believe is safe given the likelihood of children being around (usually 20-30kph).

While I completely agree with overtaking those driving substantially below the limit (and if it is substantial without good reason I believe they should be banned, the option of the bus is there for you if you can afford to take half the day to drive a few miles), I wouldn't do so if its putting me or anyone else in danger.

LiamoSail

The Idyll Race wrote: »

Trying to make another driver feel a bit of a cúnt? Thought that was one of the definitions of road rage myself but hey ho.

That's nowhere near the definition of road rage, its like saying the definition of a banana is a motorised vehicle four wheels. You're way off

Road rage implies I'm getting all angry and worked up which isn't the case. Obviously we all get pissed off to an extent, but the aim in doing it is not to vent my annoyance, but to point out that the other person has made a daft manoeuvre and perhaps they won't do so again

If it makes them look a cnut then so be it, but I'd rather them look the cnut and not do similar again then to not look the cnut and repeat the same mistake

Topper Harley

The Idyll Race wrote: »

Trying to make another driver feel a bit of a cúnt? Thought that was one of the definitions of road rage myself but hey ho.

Depends on how it's done really. There's the long, continuous beep which is quite aggressive and it usually brought on by something extremely stupid and is a sign of road rage but then there's the few quick, light beeps which are more to call attention to mistake and get the driver to learn, while not being aggressive.

Topper Harley

PieForPi wrote: »

I don't tailgate, I just overtake anyone going slower than the limit, irregardless of the road I'm on.

It's a bit ropey overtaking someone at 45+ in an estate but hey, if they just drove a little quicker it wouldn't have to happen.

PieForPi wrote: »

I was sure that was just a proposal?

Can you link to where it has been written into law?

I'm not sure if you're being serious or not but you shouldn't need a law to tell you how not to drive like an idiot. If you haven't got the common sense to work out what's safe yourself then you shouldn't be on the road.

Fuinseog

LiamoSail wrote: »

I agree with rest of your post, but in the above situation speeding up would have solved the issue. It can of course still happen at faster speeds, but I was being specific to this scenario

The only time I tail gate is when people do stuff like not move off quick enough at the lights (as if its a fcuking shock that the light has changed from red to green), or when people are slow going through ambers etc

I don't tail gate on the motorway as I think its dangerous, though I've no sympathy for those that get tailgated on a motorway while driving more then 10kph below the limit

Very few people drive for leisure, most do so to get from A to B and in this country a huge amount of people don't get the concept of efficient driving.

That doesn't necessarily equate to speeding, just exercising commonsense. While I don't suffer from road rage, if someone does something stupid I will generally sound a few beeps at them, not out of anger, but to try make them feel a bit stupid about it, and perhaps next time they will be more aware

brilliant, so if someone stalls or cuts out at the lights they have you on their bumper.

so if someone is 'only' driving at 110km they should be tailgated.
you remind me of the boy racer I saw yesterday who honked and nearly drove over at the old lady who was not fast enough walking crossing the road.


Tailgating is a brilliant way to start road rage that may lead to a manslaughter charge.

I remember learning to drive and some impatient cnut starts honking when I was waiting to move onto the roundabout. i did what a lot of nervous drivers do when put under pressure and shot out in front of the cars. very dangerous.

looksee

There is an amazing level of entitlement and arrogance in this thread.

I also could wish people could make a bit more progress or move over a bit, and I am one of those decrepit oul wans who (apparently) all dodder along with all the time in the world... but still I don't use it as an excuse for tailgating, even at a whole 10 kph less than the limit on the motorway.

Tailgating at anything other than town traffic speeds is moronic, but I think some of the posters above do not fully understand why it is moronic, and think that its just another of those stupid rules that Authority dictates.

Topper Harley

PieForPi wrote: »

I was sure that was just a proposal?

Can you link to where it has been written into law?

And:

Local authorities in Ireland have the power to introduce bye-laws to set special speed limits of 30kph in designated areas.

Road Traffic Act, 2004 - Section 5(2)

The Idyll Race

LiamoSail wrote: »

That's nowhere near the definition of road rage, its like saying the definition of a banana is a motorised vehicle four wheels. You're way off

Road rage implies I'm getting all angry and worked up which isn't the case. Obviously we all get pissed off to an extent, but the aim in doing it is not to vent my annoyance, but to point out that the other person has made a daft manoeuvre and perhaps they won't do so again

If it makes them look a cnut then so be it, but I'd rather them look the cnut and not do similar again then to not look the cnut and repeat the same mistake

I don't know where to begin on this, but I am pretty sure that there was nothing in my driver training that one of the duties of a qualified driver was to be pedantic to others. I'm back home in Ireland after a year in the west of England, and while there were asshats on the road there, the level of aggression here, and I'm not talking about being tailgated myself just to be clear, is pretty high. The further north you go, the more intense it gets, to the point that I would think long and hard about driving certain roads after dark in my native Donegal.

There is definitely a tendency here to correct others on the road. I am not a slow driver and don't hold others up if I can help it, but some drivers have a real problem with their temper and do the stupidest things out of rage. One man's pedantic "correction" of another's driving is another's impertinence.

As some of the tailgaters pointed out earlier, if you have a problem with someone's driving, call the guards. You are not the police.

stoneill

People who tailgate are cúnts - stop being a prick, it's not your fúcking road.
People who get tailgated are cúnts - get out of the way - it's not your fúcking road.

Topper Harley

stoneill wrote: »

People who tailgate are cúnts - stop being a prick, it's not your fúcking road.
People who get tailgated are cúnts - get out of the way - it's not your fúcking road.

Don't forget about the people who do neither. They're cúnts as well because they won't want to feel left out. And they probably park like assholes too, but that's another thread.

Elfinknight

I don't have time to read the full thread but after reading about the first half of it I would just like to say the following. If some one has already brought them up, my apologies.

While driving in the hard shoulder is not illegal, it is frowned upon and only allowed in certain circumstances.

If you are being tail gated on a road with a hard shoulder and you pull over and end up having an accident. It will be you that is in the wrong, not the guy tailgating.

So you should never pull into it at night or in bad weather.

If you are already doing the speed limit, and some idiot is tail gating you,and you cannot pull over for what ever reason, you should just stick it out and leave him there. They are already in the wrong.

If for some reason you have to brake, and i mean for a reason, Dog/Child/car comes out in front of you, and the guy tailgating you hits you, he is in the wrong.

When they do pass you, especially if they give any abusive gestures, take the vehicles registration number and report them to your local gardai when you get home.

To all parties I would recommend that ye should brush up on the rules of the road to know what your responsible for in all situations because I'm seeing a lot of spurious recommendations on here so far.

TheChizler

Elfinknight wrote: »

I don't have time to read the full thread but after reading about the first half of it I would just like to say the following. If some one has already brought them up, my apologies.

While driving in the hard shoulder is not illegal, it is frowned upon and only allowed in certain circumstances.

If you are being tail gated on a road with a hard shoulder and you pull over and end up having an accident. It will be you that is in the wrong, not the guy tailgating.

So you should never pull into it at night or in bad weather.

If you are already doing the speed limit, and some idiot is tail gating you,and you cannot pull over for what ever reason, you should just stick it out and leave him there. They are already in the wrong.

If for some reason you have to brake, and i mean for a reason, Dog/Child/car comes out in front of you, and the guy tailgating you hits you, he is in the wrong.

When they do pass you, especially if they give any abusive gestures, take the vehicles registration number and report them to your local gardai when you get home.

To all parties I would recommend that ye should brush up on the rules of the road to know what your responsible for in all situations because I'm seeing a lot of spurious recommendations on here so far.

I would add to that that if you are being tailgated for no good reason (there never is) you should slow down (slowly!) . If you then do have to brake suddenly, and they slam into you, the damage will be less than if you were going faster.

Fuinseog

as an inexperienced driver I have experience of being tailgated but someone tailgating me makes me nervous and could possibly force me to crash. is it really worth it?

I pointed in a previous post that I was tailgated at night on a narrow country road with a lot of dangerous bends. the natives tailgating me were familiar with the road. I was not. the speed limit was 100km and i was doing 70km.

LiamoSail

Fuinseog wrote: »

brilliant, so if someone stalls or cuts out at the lights they have you on their bumper.

so if someone is 'only' driving at 110km they should be tailgated.
you remind me of the boy racer I saw yesterday who honked and nearly drove over at the old lady who was not fast enough walking crossing the road.


Tailgating is a brilliant way to start road rage that may lead to a manslaughter charge.

I remember learning to drive and some impatient cnut starts honking when I was waiting to move onto the roundabout. i did what a lot of nervous drivers do when put under pressure and shot out in front of the cars. very dangerous.

Obviously if someone stalls are similar I'm not going to. Regarding the tailgating at 110kph, I specifically stated I wouldn't do it, just that I have no sympathy for those that are tailgated at that speed. My rational is that its perfectly safe on a motorway (wx conditions dependent) to do 120kph. So why not do it and avoid unnecessarily delaying others?

As for the tailgating manslaughter leap, that's just too much of a leap for me to even give a dignified response to

Regarding learning to drive, I'll always be patient with learner drivers. I would however give them a quick beep for blocking a yellow box or similar. Not for stalling though or anything like that. All part of the learning curve

The Idyll Race wrote: »

I don't know where to begin on this, but I am pretty sure that there was nothing in my driver training that one of the duties of a qualified driver was to be pedantic to others. I'm back home in Ireland after a year in the west of England, and while there were asshats on the road there, the level of aggression here, and I'm not talking about being tailgated myself just to be clear, is pretty high. The further north you go, the more intense it gets, to the point that I would think long and hard about driving certain roads after dark in my native Donegal.

There is definitely a tendency here to correct others on the road. I am not a slow driver and don't hold others up if I can help it, but some drivers have a real problem with their temper and do the stupidest things out of rage. One man's pedantic "correction" of another's driving is another's impertinence.

As some of the tailgaters pointed out earlier, if you have a problem with someone's driving, call the guards. You are not the police.

I'm not being pedantic. If someone blocks a yellow box, or delays traffic due to them being in the wrong lane and not moving until they can get into the lane they wish, I'm not going to call the Gard's, the Gard's have better things to be doing then dealing with those sort of calls. I'm just going to try make them look stupid in the hope they'll think twice the next time.

My issue is not with learner or nervous drivers, its with selfish drivers, inconsiderate drivers and those that don't engage their brain

Fuinseog

LiamoSail wrote: »

Obviously if someone stalls are similar I'm not going to. Regarding the tailgating at 110kph, I specifically stated I wouldn't do it, just that I have no sympathy for those that are tailgated at that speed. My rational is that its perfectly safe on a motorway (wx conditions dependent) to do 120kph. So why not do it and avoid unnecessarily delaying others?

As for the tailgating manslaughter leap, that's just too much of a leap for me to even give a dignified response to

Regarding learning to drive, I'll always be patient with learner drivers. I would however give them a quick beep for blocking a yellow box or similar. Not for stalling though or anything like that. All part of the learning curve

not everyone feels like doing 120km. i have been told for smaller cars it can be bad for the engine to do more than 100km an hour. usually you can pass out on a motorway. if not you can wait patiently.
tailgating is a form of intimidation. it makes some people nervous, other angry. that Englishman who was battered to death with the hurl was tailgating.

TheChizler

LiamoSail wrote: »

Obviously if someone stalls are similar I'm not going to. Regarding the tailgating at 110kph, I specifically stated I wouldn't do it, just that I have no sympathy for those that are tailgated at that speed. My rational is that its perfectly safe on a motorway (wx conditions dependent) to do 120kph. So why not do it and avoid unnecessarily delaying others?

That's why there's another lane. People are only delayed by choosing to stick behind rather than overtake. What about speed limited vehicles? Like trucks or caravans?

looksee

I'm not being pedantic. If someone blocks a yellow box, or delays traffic due to them being in the wrong lane and not moving until they can get into the lane they wish, I'm not going to call the Gard's, the Gard's have better things to be doing then dealing with those sort of calls. I'm just going to try make them look stupid in the hope they'll think twice the next time.

Wow, I agree you are not being pedantic, that is nowhere near strong enough to describe that kind of behaviour. So passing your driving test gave you the right to correct everyone else's behaviour did it?

Have you never got caught out by a yellow box? Do you always, every time, manage to stop before the box? And if somebody does slip up and gets caught don't you think that a. if they care they will be embarrassed anyway without your help, or b. if they don't care your prissy beeping is going to make any difference?

And have you never been in a strange city and found yourself in the wrong lane? And been prevented from changing lanes by a whole queue of righteous people who feel it is their responsibility to make you look stupid so you won't do it again?

Well lucky you.

LiamoSail

Fuinseog wrote: »

not everyone feels like doing 120km. i have been told for smaller cars it can be bad for the engine to do more than 100km an hour. usually you can pass out on a motorway. if not you can wait patiently.
tailgating is a form of intimidation. it makes some people nervous, other angry. that Englishman who was battered to death with the hurl was tailgating.

Well then drive on a road or lane where the expectation isn't that you drive at 120kph. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few

As for being bad for the engine, what size engine are you referring to?

The man who battered the English man to death probably had a number of anger issues, only sparked by a tailgater, it wasn't the only factor

TheChizler wrote: »

That's why there's another lane. People are only delayed by choosing to stick behind rather than overtake. What about speed limited vehicles? Like trucks or caravans?

looksee wrote: »

Wow, I agree you are not being pedantic, that is nowhere near strong enough to describe that kind of behaviour. So passing your driving test gave you the right to correct everyone else's behaviour did it?

No, my right to free speech granted me that

looksee wrote: »

Have you never got caught out by a yellow box? Do you always, every time, manage to stop before the box? And if somebody does slip up and gets caught don't you think that a. if they care they will be embarrassed anyway without your help, or b. if they don't care your prissy beeping is going to make any difference?

Yes, my beeping alerts them to their mistake, should they be unaware of it. How am I to know whether they are aware of it or not? I'd like to make sure they are

Yes, of course I've made mistakes such as that, and I've rightfully been made aware of it by other drivers. I'm not going to cry about someone beeping at me though

looksee wrote: »

And have you never been in a strange city and found yourself in the wrong lane? And been prevented from changing lanes by a whole queue of righteous people who feel it is their responsibility to make you look stupid so you won't do it again?

Well lucky you.

yes, I have indeed. So what I do is stay in the lane and, if I have to, go a way I don't intend to because to stop there and block the lane to others who haven't made such a mistake is extremely selfish. Why should someone else be delayed because I can't figure out a basic road layout?

I'm not talking about getting out of the car, or verbally abusing people. My point is simply letting people know they've inconvenienced you by not thinking about their actions. How else can people become aware of their mistakes, and hence avoid repeating them again?

Too many people are far too selfish, and the above example you provided is an excellent one. Anyone inadvertently caught in the wrong lane has two choices, either continue, go the wrong way then try and get back on track, or block and delay everyone else because of their mistake. Anyone choosing the latter should not be allowed on the road, and should be made feel embarrassed

Elfinknight

LiamoSail wrote: »

Well then drive on a road or lane where the expectation isn't that you drive at 120kph. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few

As for being bad for the engine, what size engine are you referring to?

The man who battered the English man to death probably had a number of anger issues, only sparked by a tailgater, it wasn't the only factor





No, my right to free speech granted me that



Yes, my beeping alerts them to their mistake, should they be unaware of it. How am I to know whether they are aware of it or not? I'd like to make sure they are

Yes, of course I've made mistakes such as that, and I've rightfully been made aware of it by other drivers. I'm not going to cry about someone beeping at me though



yes, I have indeed. So what I do is stay in the lane and, if I have to, go a way I don't intend to because to stop there and block the lane to others who haven't made such a mistake is extremely selfish. Why should someone else be delayed because I can't figure out a basic road layout?

I'm not talking about getting out of the car, or verbally abusing people. My point is simply letting people know they've inconvenienced you by not thinking about their actions. How else can people become aware of their mistakes, and hence avoid repeating them again?

Too many people are far too selfish, and the above example you provided is an excellent one. Anyone inadvertently caught in the wrong lane has two choices, either continue, go the wrong way then try and get back on track, or block and delay everyone else because of their mistake. Anyone choosing the latter should not be allowed on the road, and should be made feel embarrassed

Just to let you know, 120 kph is an upper limit on the motorway, there is not a lower limit so there is no mistake to be alerting them to.

MusicalMelody

I have terrible road rage! All drivers are inferior to my skills... I need therapy :-s

david

Not sure if it's been mentioned but the type of car you drive has an impact on how other drivers respect you IMO

coolbeans

You see the worst in people when they drive. This thread proves it. Full of self righteous knobs who consider themselves good drivers and the rest incompetent. Trouble is nearly every driver has this mindset of being a good driver whilst the rest are useless. Trouble is this doesn't quite add up when you look at the appalling level of driving generally. Not one person has said that their driving could improve. This is why i have come to hate driving.

Fuinseog

LiamoSail wrote: »

Well then drive on a road or lane where the expectation isn't that you drive at 120kph. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few

As for being bad for the engine, what size engine are you referring to?

The man who battered the English man to death probably had a number of anger issues, only sparked by a tailgater, it wasn't the only factor


Yes, my beeping alerts them to their mistake, should they be unaware of it. How am I to know whether they are aware of it or not? I'd like to make sure they are

yes, I have indeed. So what I do is stay in the lane and, if I have to, go a way I don't intend to because to stop there and block the lane to others who haven't made such a mistake is extremely selfish. Why should someone else be delayed because I can't figure out a basic road layout?

I'm not talking about getting out of the car, or verbally abusing people. My point is simply letting people know they've inconvenienced you by not thinking about their actions. How else can people become aware of their mistakes, and hence avoid repeating them again?

Too many people are far too selfish, and the above example you provided is an excellent one. Anyone inadvertently caught in the wrong lane has two choices, either continue, go the wrong way then try and get back on track, or block and delay everyone else because of their mistake. Anyone choosing the latter should not be allowed on the road, and should be made feel embarrassed

120 on the motorway is the limit not the goal. a lot of people drive between 80 and 100. smaller engines like a fiat punto do not handle 120plus that well.

the beeping can be unnecessary. if someone cuts out they are aware that something has gone wrong. I beep only if a car is coming out in front of me and the driver is not looking and a collision is imminent. you will blow the wrong person some day and they will come after you.

Fuinseog

coolbeans wrote: »

You see the worst in people when they drive. This thread proves it. Full of self righteous knobs who consider themselves good drivers and the rest incompetent. Trouble is nearly every driver has this mindset of being a good driver whilst the rest are useless. Trouble is this doesn't quite add up when you look at the appalling level of driving generally. Not one person has said that their driving could improve. This is why i have come to hate driving.

assume everyone on the road is a fool and is going to mess up. makes you more vigilant.

Fuinseog

MusicalMelody wrote: »

I have terrible road rage! All drivers are inferior to my skills... I need therapy :-s

you jest but there are people on this thread who would willingly push someone towards an accident.

I was on the motorway doing 80km in torential rain where i could barely see and cars were speeding past at 120 with no lights on.

Topper Harley

MusicalMelody wrote: »

I have terrible road rage! All drivers are inferior to my skills... I need therapy :-s

No you don't, everyone else needs therapy.

Fuinseog wrote: »

you will blow the wrong person some day and they will come after you.

Woah woah woah...let's just keep this clean. Less of your vulgarity and more about driving.

Bad Panda

What really p1sses me off is the amount of fcuktards who constantly veer over the line to the other side of the road on bends.

Seriously, spacial awareness seems to be rubbish in a lot of cases in this country.

Valetta

LiamoSail wrote: »

The only time I tail gate is when people do stuff like not move off quick enough at the lights (as if its a fcuking shock that the light has changed from red to green), or when people are slow going through ambers etc

You do realise that you're supposed to stop at an amber light?

preddy

Valetta wrote: »

You do realise that you're supposed to stop at an amber light?

Only if safe to do so. Jamming on would cause more problems!

Fuinseog

david wrote: »

Not sure if it's been mentioned but the type of car you drive has an impact on how other drivers respect you IMO

true, a female colleague told me she was driving a small car along a country road and she was behind a beamer. when she went to overtake he moved out and refused to let her pass.

Fuinseog

preddy wrote: »

Only if safe to do so. Jamming on would cause more problems!

you see the light and prepare to stop.its all about reading the road. a lot of people see the light and floor it.

gubbie

Topper Harley wrote: »

2) Even if not, can I briefly and easily speed up slightly to overtake a bit quicker and facilitate the car behind? (don't be overly pedantic here, it'll only be for a few seconds)

I'd disagree to this part.

If I had sped up, the car behind me would have sped up too and sat on my bumper again. All speeding up does is make it worse should I have to brake suddenly.

Why should I have to facilitate him? Why can't he facilitate me by allowing me this extra 20 seconds it would take to complete the maneuver before speeding off.

LiamoSail wrote: »

Obviously if someone stalls are similar I'm not going to. Regarding the tailgating at 110kph, I specifically stated I wouldn't do it, just that I have no sympathy for those that are tailgated at that speed. My rational is that its perfectly safe on a motorway (wx conditions dependent) to do 120kph. So why not do it and avoid unnecessarily delaying others?

In my example, I was doing over 110kph. My dial reads in miles so I generally stick to just past the 70mph which is about 114kph (as it's pretty hard to see the kph dial). Do I deserve to be put at risk?

Jo King

gubbie wrote: »

In my example, I was doing over 110kph. My dial reads in miles so I generally stick to just past the 70mph which is about 114kph (as it's pretty hard to see the kph dial). Do I deserve to be put at risk?

Allowing for under calibration you were probably doing about 106 Kph. If it is safe to do 120 KPH and you are doing that speed you are going to cause frustration. You should not be put at risk but you should realise that your own behaviour is putting you at risk.

david

david wrote: »

Not sure if it's been mentioned but the type of car you drive has an impact on how other drivers respect you IMO

That's true.
Everytime i see an STi or a Skyline, they are being tailgated by a micra, fiesta, civic etc.

The Idyll Race

Jo King wrote: »

Allowing for under calibration you were probably doing about 106 Kph. If it is safe to do 120 KPH and you are doing that speed you are going to cause frustration. You should not be put at risk but you should realise that your own behaviour is putting you at risk.

It's remarkable just how similar the idea that those being tailgated are at fault to the old discredited trope that women who were assaulted were asking for it.

TonyStark

Fuinseog wrote: »

120 on the motorway is the limit not the goal. a lot of people drive between 80 and 100. smaller engines like a fiat punto do not handle 120plus that well.

the beeping can be unnecessary. if someone cuts out they are aware that something has gone wrong. I beep only if a car is coming out in front of me and the driver is not looking and a collision is imminent. you will blow the wrong person some day and they will come after you.

People with cars they are uncomfortable to drive at the speed limit on the motorway should really not be using the motorway. There are plenty roads around the country where there are speed limits are low enough to facilitate their skill level in terms of driving.

Ironically, In general I find those in such cars tend tailgate slower moving traffic like buses and lorries themselves and show in my personal experience poor overtaking skills. This is part of where the frustration arises IMHO.

I can see the puzzlement on their faces when they go to perform an overtaking manouvre and enter the overtaking lane and then they realise that there is car suddenly right up their arse, flashing lights etc. 9/10 they probably have checked their mirror, but have failed to exercise any judgement in relation to the speed of traffic in that overtaking lane already and have simply arrived into a faster lane. They then gradually accelerate towards the speed limit in the hope that this will carry them clear of whatever they are overtaking and dismiss the car behind as a lunatic of some sort.

It's not very considerate on their part to those who are already engaged in an overtaking manouvre already to impede them from it. It borders in my mind of driving without due care and consideration. From my understanding of the rules of the road, faster moving overtaking from traffic behind you always has right of way.

In general I find the safest way to overtake a vehicle is to accelerate faster than it and clear it as quickly and safely as possible returning to the driving lane as soon as the opportunity arises. I do this to keep myself safe and those travelling in the overtaking lane behind me safe. At all times throughout the manouvre i feel competant and safe driving at 120kmph and when necessary faster than the speed limit in order to carry myself clear from any potentially fatal threats.

RustyNut

Jo King wrote: »

You should not be put at risk but you should realise that your own behaviour is putting you at risk.

Absouloutly wrong. There are lots of legimate reasons why someone might be driving below the speed limit. There are no good reasons to tailgait someone, the tailgaiter is allways at fault.

RustyNut

LiamoSail wrote: »

Well then drive on a road or lane where the expectation isn't that you drive at 120kph.

I wonder could you provide a link to the driving guide that informs us that we are all expected to drive at exactly the speed limit.

RustyNut

RVP 11 wrote: »

That's true.
Everytime i see an STi or a Skyline, they are being tailgated by a micra, fiesta, civic etc.

That's funny cos I once caught an STi from a little tailgating in a micra

Elfinknight

Jo King wrote: »

Allowing for under calibration you were probably doing about 106 Kph. If it is safe to do 120 KPH and you are doing that speed you are going to cause frustration. You should not be put at risk but you should realise that your own behaviour is putting you at risk.

But you cant allow for under calibration. If you assume your speedometer is under calibrated and decide that the real 120 KPH is really 130 KPH indication you are knowingly breaking the speed limit.

When the sign says 120 or 100 or whatever, that is the indicated speed you should not exceed.

karma_

If you're being tail-gated folks, the chances are you are going too slowly. A now non-taught (unfortunately) and mostly forgotten rule of the road is make progress. Please bear this in mind.