If I started a revolution tomorrow...

blindside88

Free punch and pie (more people will come if they think there's punch and pie)

I would if I thought we could change things. Can't cut motor tax, can't reduce duty on fuel, these play a major part in paying the national dept. The new administration would still have to pay this along with the cost of the damage caused by the revolution and the economic cost of every mnc leavin Ireland because of the unstable political environment..... Sounds like a winner to me

Mr Trade In

Where would you start OP? The Dail is in recess at the moment so no Brave heart tactics there. I recommend taking over the zoo as a trail revolution as if you succeed there you will have no problem with the sh1t flinging apes in the Dail on its return.

Yawns

Did someone mention punch & pie?

I'm finished with my fluff picking, time for punch & pie.

ManMade

Ahh an Irish revolution would be so lazy and half-assed. Even in the battle for independence it was a minority of hard working patriots. I wonder is revolution legal like what of some stage in the future people get fed up and rebel what would the governments response?? Televised address and an increase in the tv license fee.

False Prophet

TheBegotten wrote: »

Good. I've outlined one of your points. No, I wouldn't try to lead the country. I'd be content with sitting outside Leinster house and playing punk music. But WILL there be an armed response? Are the troops in this country responsible to the government more than their conscience? If we don't kill/hurt anyone, will they fire? So yes, this is treason. Yes, If (remember this is hypotethical) we violently revolted, we could die and we could be arrested. But people will know. They will know and they will react and they will condemn us as fools or they will acknowledge us as martyrs and heros.

Play punk music, is this a musical revolution?

Rayne Wooney

In all honesty if a revolution was started the scum of this country would take it as an opportunity to go looting and cause complete chaos, much like what happened in England last year

Mr Trade In

If a revolution was started by me in this country all the scum would never wake again, white collar, bankers, junkies and every public servant I could find.

af_thefragile

Lets do it!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zxbT4gyuuc

lightspeed

So lets say there was a revolution and you and your supporters seized power. Would elections follow? If so then what would the point be in the revolution?
How would you better deal wih the banking crisis, pay off our debt and retain social welfare payments at the artificial rates they are at the moment?

How different would things really be?

Im have some ideas of my own as to how to do things differently and id like to start up a political party to rival fine gael in the next general election.

To some degree i realise that austerity is inevitable and unavoidable. It's not what people want to hear but harry potter economics isnt possible either.

I feel that no party represents my views.

Fianna fail - No explanation needed
Fianna Gael - They are Fianna Fail with another name. They enforce austerity but only in he form of flat taxes which has led to a wider gap between rich and poor. Europe has never experianced such an economic crisis since World War 2 and yet the poor and middle class get poorer and the rich get richer. I could never support such a corrupt system.

Sinn fein - I considered joining but they remain focused on the struggle for independance and seem to think that are struggle is against british rule like its 1916 on a daily basis. Also i have yet to see what areas of social welfare they are willing to reform.
I cant support a party which has no real substance behind their arguments, particuarlly on their economic points.

Socialist and United Left Alliance - Socialism does not work and has resulted in a welfare state well beyond sustainability. When the upper and middle class are tasked with carrying the lower class to the point that the lower class have the same benifits as the working class, all that has been created is a huge injustice and disincentive for the unemployed to seek any employment.


So the question left for me to ask is, what party is willing to to what is right for the country rather than just what is right for a particular demographic?

I want to see taxes increased on the mega rich in this country and the welfare system reformed to a fairer means tested system.

I know of no party willing to do both. If there was would anybody vote for it?

Greentopia

Depends...what's your political philosophy/ideology? do you have a manifesto? what are your aims? how do you see a new social and political structure working?
what would you do with those already in power? would this be a peaceful or violent revolution? will there be fun involved? yes fun!
"If I can't dance I don't want your revolution"-Emma Goldman

So many questions... If I got satisfactory answers to all those questions I'd be interested, yes.
Also, what role would us wimmin have in this revolution? making sammiches and tae while the mens are doing the hard work might appeal to some but it's not for me tyvm. :cool:

Mr Trade In

No Elections for at least three years, no former or standing political figure would be eligible.

I would dump the bond holders and close all busted banks.

I would cast out the church, taking their lands and assets.

I would build a palace of Gold and rule you for ever.

Chucken

Mr Trade In wrote: »

Where would you start OP? The Dail is in recess at the moment so no Brave heart tactics there. I recommend taking over the zoo as a trail revolution as if you succeed there you will have no problem with the sh1t flinging apes in the Dail on its return.

Oh typical...it has to start in Dublin?

Mr Trade In

Chucken wrote: »

Oh typical...it has to start in Dublin?

Well it has to start somewhere, why not begin it in civilization rather than in the wilderness.:P

False Prophet

Mr Trade In wrote: »

No Elections for at least three years, no former or standing political figure would be eligible.

I would dump the bond holders and close all busted banks.

I would cast out the church, taking their lands and assets.

I would build a palace of Gold and rule you for ever.

Didn't the english already try 3 of the above and fail?

Chucken

Mr Trade In wrote: »

Well it has to start somewhere, why not begin it in civilization rather than in the wilderness.:P

Did the OP mean " an us and them revolution" as in, Dubs against the rest of the country?

ArtSmart

Mr Trade In wrote: »

If a revolution was started by me in this country all the scum would never wake again, white collar, bankers, junkies and every public servant I could find.

LOL.

Well, you certainly can't be accused of being prejudiced/ showing favouritism.

Mr Trade In

False Prophet wrote: »

Didn't the english already try 3 of the above and fail?

Who cares I am Irish, I won't hurt any of you, just to be clear I will be adopting the title Lord Cromwell.

False Prophet

Chucken wrote: »

Oh typical...it has to start in Dublin?

Mr Trade In wrote: »

Well it has to start somewhere, why not begin it in civilization rather than in the wilderness.:P

Just make sure in the peace talks afterwards,you dont give away 6 counties...

af_thefragile

More soundtrack for your revolution:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbgyZff5Wek

old_aussie

The Arab Spring rolls into Ireland.

Greentopia

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

In all honesty if a revolution was started the scum of this country would take it as an opportunity to go looting and cause complete chaos, much like what happened in England last year

Revolutions can be peaceful-the Velvet Revolution in Czech for example. And those who looted and destroyed property in the U.K. aren't revolutionaries, they were just the disaffected underclass opportunistically looking for free stuff.

True revolutionaries are guided by noble principles and look to change or overthrow corrupt and oppressive power structures in society for the liberation, empowerment and advancement of their fellow citizens.
Not kids and teenagers ransacking shops for iphones and runners.

I think a real revolution will never happen here though. Irish people lack the will for it and even if they did it would probably just end up with us swapping one cadre of venal politicians and business elite for another.
It's depressing really.

Irish94

I would, because of your beautiful eyes

Mr Trade In

Only reason there will be no revolution is that both the army and police are government run, you need one or both on your side in order to stage a revolution.

Chucken

Mr Trade In wrote: »

Only reason there will be no revolution is that both the army and police are government run, you need one or both on your side in order to stage a revolution.

Ohhhh theres a reason to have one if I ever saw it!

..telling me what to do are you?

Mr Trade In

Careful now, my le hamharc ar rudaí could be at your door at any moment.


Sorry to the op for making a balls of your thread.:o

Son Of A Vidic

TheBegotten wrote: »

Are we really that content to lie there and take it

Says the revolutionary who prioritises an leaba.

Chucken

Mr Trade In wrote: »

Careful now, my le hamharc ar rudaí could be at your door at any moment.


Sorry to the op for making a balls of your thread.:o

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Says the revolutionary who prioritises an leaba.

Oh we could be on to something here

le haon ádh :cool:

gaelicred

If its a revolution worth fighting for then im in