Tall ships Traffic Delays

SunnyDub1

Took me just over 2 hours this morning to get from kinsealy to Dublin City Center :mad: Usually only takes 40 mins.

Think it's a great idea holding events in Dublin city center but to close off main busy roads at peak times is just a joke. Could they not of held off on the road closers till the weekend or hold off events like this for bank hol w.ends.

Didn't see one guard doing any kind of traffic control but instead pulling cars in for driving in bus lanes etc. Given the heavy traffic delays you would think they would allow any roads/lanes (once safe) to be used :mad:

Dreading the drive home later

Rant over

SBWife

Or maybe the problem is with people who knowing that there is a major event on in the city that will disrupt the flow of traffic from North to South still insist on driving their bloody cars into the centre of town?

subway

Once in 14 years!

SunnyDub1

SBWife wrote: »

Or maybe the problem is with people who knowing that there is a major event on in the city that will disrupt the flow of traffic from North to South still insist on driving their bloody cars into the centre of town?

Maybe people have no other choice than driving their car into town

subway wrote: »

Once in 14 years!

You obviously didn't have to sit in non moving traffic this morning :P

starviewadams

It's bringing in €20/30 million to the local economy and has been heavily promoted for the past few months,could you not just use public transport for the two weekdays that it will be taking place over?

Ernest

The North coastal routes to the city centre were blocked this morning from Fairview across to at least Summerhill. A journey which normally takes about 25 minutes was taking more than an hour. The problem seemed to be centred at the southbound-only Matt Talbot Memorial bridge where there were large barricades blocking at least one lane AND there seemed to be some blockages too of the quay opposite the Financial Services Centre (called Custom House Quay). A single Bean-Garda was sort-of intervening but not very effectively at the end of Memorial Road by the Talbot Bridge. Meanwhile, across the bridge, Georges Quay towards O'Connell Bridge was completely clear.
Was this chaos caused by the Tall Sailing Ships event? Probably but there was also some radio mention of a "slow-drive" by taxi drivers to express grievance against Dublin Airport Authority over removal of taxi stacking spaces there.
Either way, radio coverage and advance warnings were, as usual, non-existent.

Dyr

starviewadams wrote: »

It's bringing in €20/30 million to the local economy and has been heavily promoted for the past few months,could you not just use public transport for the two weekdays that it will be taking place over?

Public transport usually suffers just as much as cars
every month the city is being brought to a standstill for events. Maybe they should take into account that the infrastructure is'nt there just so the corpo can make some coin, and start to minimise disruptions during events rather than taking the all out approach

techdiver

SunnyDub1 wrote: »

Maybe people have no other choice than driving their car into town

42 or 43 bus?

jossnjuice

Bambi wrote: »

Public transport usually suffers just as much as cars
every month the city is being brought to a standstill for events. Maybe they should take into account that the infrastructure is'nt there just so the corpo can make some coin, and start to minimise disruptions during events rather than taking the all out approach

its four days, two of which being the weekend. I for one, use public transport, and still think its a great idea. Look at what the ocean race did for Galway. Live with it and be happy that Ireland is being put in the shop window as a decent place to come for events and even holidays. if stuff like this never happened, then the country would never get that chance and then there wouldnt be anyone except the indigeneous population left with nothing to look forward to.

Zulu

Sitting at a standstill at Fairview at 8am listening to Dublin City Radio Traffic 103. NOT A PEEP mentioned it's backed up from amien st.

Clowns.

I don't mind the Tall Ships & I've no problem with traffic so long as they're doing something about it. Zero traffic guards =/= doing something about it though.

ThisRegard

subway wrote: »

Once in 14 years!

It was here 2 years ago.

Gumbo

ThisRegard wrote: »

It was here 2 years ago.

Are you sure?
Last occurance of the Tall Ship race happened in Waterford IIRC..?

ThisRegard

Yeah, maybe not at a scale as big as this year but some were here in June 2010.

admiralofthefleet

im heading up from arklow for the tallships tomorrow, we wouldnt even consider driving (even though it would be handier, with the baby).
public transport all the way

Pigeon Reaper

Only two roads are closed in the city with local traffic diversions in place. This was well advertised and the public transport was not adversely affected. The problem with the traffic was due to car drivers slowing to a crawl to look at the ships instead of driving. Tens of thousands attended today despite the festival only starting at lunch. The city is there to be used everyone and is not just for the sole use of car commuters.

NinjaTruncs

So you're 1:20 late for work and the first thing you do is post on Boards.

stehyl15

ever heard of the dart

crosstownk

Zulu wrote: »

Sitting at a standstill at Fairview at 8am listening to Dublin City Radio Traffic 103. NOT A PEEP mentioned it's backed up from amien st.

Text them - let them know so they can alert others. They rely on listener feedback to some extent. 085 141 1032. Simples.

Dyr

Pigeon Reaper wrote: »

Only two roads are closed in the city with local traffic diversions in place. This was well advertised and the public transport was not adversely affected. The problem with the traffic was due to car drivers slowing to a crawl to look at the ships instead of driving. Tens of thousands attended today despite the festival only starting at lunch. The city is there to be used everyone and is not just for the sole use of car commuters.

Talking out your hole.


list of buses "adversely affected":

Routes 15a, 15b:
Operates to and from Ringsend Garage for the duration of the event.

Route 15a Towards Grand Canal Dock (Benson St.)
Normal route to Townsend St., Lwr. Sandwith St., Pearse St., and terminates at Ringsend Garage.

Route 15a Towards Limekiln Ave.
Depart from Ringsend Garage, Pearse St. and back on to normal route.

Route 15b Towards Grand Canal Dock (Benson St.)
Normal route to Townsend St., Lwr. Sandwith St., Pearse St., and terminate at Ringsend Garage.

Route 15b Towards Stocking Ave.
Depart from Ringsend Garage, Pearse St. and back on to normal route.

Route 33d Towards Portrane
All departures from Eden Quay for the duration of the event, then Beresford Place, Amiens St., Seville Place, Sheriff St. Upr., East Wall Rd. and back on to normal route.

Route 33d Towards St. Stephen’s Green
Normal route to East Wall Rd., Sheriff St. Upr, Seville Place, Amiens St. and back onto normal route.

Route 33x Towards Skerries
All departures from Eden Quay for the duration of the event, then Beresford Place, Amiens St., Seville Place, Sheriff St. Upr., East Wall Rd. and back on to normal route.

Route 33x Towards Custom House Quay / St. Stephen’s Green
Normal route to East Wall Rd., Sheriff St. Upr, Seville Place, Amiens St. and back onto normal route.

Route 142 Towards Rathmines
Normal route to East Wall Rd. then Sheriff Street Upr., Seville Place, Amiens St. and back on to normal route.

Route 142 Towards Portmarnock
Normal route to Eden Quay then Beresford Place, Amiens St., Seville Place, Sheriff St. Upr, East Wall Rd. and back on to normal route.

Route 151 Towards Docklands ( East Rd.)
Normal route to Eden Quay then Beresford Place, Amiens St., Seville Place, Sheriff St.Upr., East Wall Rd. and back on to normal route.

Route 151 Towards Foxborough (Balgaddy Rd.)
Normal route to Seville Place, then Seville Place, Amiens St. and back on to normal route.

Route 747 Towards Dublin Airport
Bus will operate from O'Conell St., Marlborough St., Busaras and then direct to Dublin Airport.

Route 747 Towards Heuston Station
Normal route to East Wall Rd. then divert to Sheriff Street Upr, Seville Place, Amiens St. and back on to normal route.

List of roads closed

The following roads will be closed on the dates and times stated below:

The Samuel Beckett Bridge, Guild Street and Cardiff Lane will be closed from 08.00hrs to 24.00hrs on Thursday 23rd, Friday 24th, and Saturday 25th August and from 08.00hrs to 20.00hrs on Sunday 26th August 2012.
The East Link Bridge will operate at a reduced rate for the duration of the event, with bridge lifts in operation, especially on Thursday 23rd August, to facilitate entry of Tall Ships, and on Sunday 26th August to facilitate egress of Tall Ships.
Samuel Beckett Bridge from 08.00hrs on Thursday 23rd August, 2012 to 12.00hrs on Sunday 26th August, 2012.
South Dock Road from 10.00hrs on Thursday 23rd August, 2012 to 20.00hrs on Sunday 26th August, 2012.
The following roads will be closed from 07.00hrs on Thursday 23rd August, 2012 to 22.00hrs on Sunday 26th August, 2012.

Custom House Quay
North Wall Quay
Commons Street (from Custom House Quay to Mayor Street Lower)
Guild Street (from North Wall Quay to Mayor Street Lower)
New Wapping Street (from North Wall Quay to Mayor Street Upper)
Castleforbes Road (from North Wall Quay to Mayor Street Upper)
City Quay
Sir John Rogersons Quay
Prince’s Street South
Gloucester Street South
Lombard Street East (from City Quay to Townsend Street)
Creighton Street (from City Quay to Hanover Street East)
Windmill Lane
Lime Street (from Sir John Rogersons Quay to Hanover Street East)
Cardiff Lane (from Sir John Rogersons Quay to Misery Hill)
Misery Hill
Forbes Street
Hanover Quay
Benson Street
Green Street East
Britain Quay

monument

OP - Is there a good reason you could not have switched to public transport for the two days? (ie drive to the Dart if needed)

It's an honest question, some people have good reasons but many others don't.

SunnyDub1 wrote: »

Didn't see one guard doing any kind of traffic control but instead pulling cars in for driving in bus lanes etc.

Pulling cars in for illegally using a bus lane sounds very much like traffic control!

Bambi wrote: »

Public transport usually suffers just as much as cars
every month the city is being brought to a standstill for events. Maybe they should take into account that the infrastructure is'nt there just so the corpo can make some coin, and start to minimise disruptions during events rather than taking the all out approach

Maybe lot of the almost 100,000 people in Dublin who drive 4km or less should walk or cycle? Maybe a lot of people who drive between 4km and 10km should cycle or get get the bus/train/tram? ...And then maybe there'd be a good bit more room for the people who do need to drive for work or for other reasons?

A city and it's streets are not just for commuters 100,000s to 1m people expected at the event are likely to view it as more than "just so the corpo can make some coin".

Dyr

monument wrote: »

OP - Is there a good reason you could not have switched to public transport for the two days? (ie drive to the Dart if needed)

It's an honest question, some people have good reasons but many others don't.



Pulling cars in for illegally using a bus lane sounds very much like traffic control!




Maybe lot of the almost 100,000 people in Dublin who drive 4km or less should walk or cycle? Maybe a lot of people who drive between 4km and 10km should cycle or get get the bus/train/tram? ...And then maybe there'd be a good bit more room for the people who do need to drive for work or for other reasons?

A city and it's streets are not just for commuters 100,000s to 1m people expected at the event are likely to view it as more than "just so the corpo can make some coin".

Maybe you should not be telling people how they should commute? Unless you're our previous lord mayor, of course :pac:

Maybe you'd explain how our public transport will cope if even half of these people piled onto it every time the corpo shut the city centre down, including for buses :rolleyes:? Maybe the last thing dublin needs is more two wheeled lemmings booting along the pavements?

The roads are for transport, the streets are for people, regularly shutting them both down, especially in the manner the corpo are doing it is massive a pain in the hole

monument

Bambi wrote: »

Maybe you should not be telling people how they should commute?

Maybe I'm suggesting rather than telling, and maybe there's an important difference.

Bambi wrote: »

Maybe you'd explain how our public transport will cope if even half of these people piled onto it every time the corpo shut the city centre down, including for buses :rolleyes:?

The city centre is not closed down.

Bambi wrote: »

Maybe the last thing dublin needs is more two wheeled lemmings booting along the pavements?

Fully agree that the city does not need more lemmings on footpaths.

Bambi wrote: »

The roads are for transport, the streets are for people, regularly shutting them both down, especially in the manner the corpo are doing it is massive a pain in the hole

Road and streets are for whatever a city wants then to be for.

Pigeon Reaper

Bambi wrote: »

Talking out your hole.


list of buses "adversely affected":

Routes 15a, 15b:
Operates to and from Ringsend Garage for the duration of the event.

Route 15a Towards Grand Canal Dock (Benson St.)
Normal route to Townsend St., Lwr. Sandwith St., Pearse St., and terminates at Ringsend Garage.

Route 15a Towards Limekiln Ave.
Depart from Ringsend Garage, Pearse St. and back on to normal route.

Route 15b Towards Grand Canal Dock (Benson St.)
Normal route to Townsend St., Lwr. Sandwith St., Pearse St., and terminate at Ringsend Garage.

Route 15b Towards Stocking Ave.
Depart from Ringsend Garage, Pearse St. and back on to normal route.

Route 33d Towards Portrane
All departures from Eden Quay for the duration of the event, then Beresford Place, Amiens St., Seville Place, Sheriff St. Upr., East Wall Rd. and back on to normal route.

Route 33d Towards St. Stephen’s Green
Normal route to East Wall Rd., Sheriff St. Upr, Seville Place, Amiens St. and back onto normal route.

Route 33x Towards Skerries
All departures from Eden Quay for the duration of the event, then Beresford Place, Amiens St., Seville Place, Sheriff St. Upr., East Wall Rd. and back on to normal route.

Route 33x Towards Custom House Quay / St. Stephen’s Green
Normal route to East Wall Rd., Sheriff St. Upr, Seville Place, Amiens St. and back onto normal route.

Route 142 Towards Rathmines
Normal route to East Wall Rd. then Sheriff Street Upr., Seville Place, Amiens St. and back on to normal route.

Route 142 Towards Portmarnock
Normal route to Eden Quay then Beresford Place, Amiens St., Seville Place, Sheriff St. Upr, East Wall Rd. and back on to normal route.

Route 151 Towards Docklands ( East Rd.)
Normal route to Eden Quay then Beresford Place, Amiens St., Seville Place, Sheriff St.Upr., East Wall Rd. and back on to normal route.

Route 151 Towards Foxborough (Balgaddy Rd.)
Normal route to Seville Place, then Seville Place, Amiens St. and back on to normal route.

Route 747 Towards Dublin Airport
Bus will operate from O'Conell St., Marlborough St., Busaras and then direct to Dublin Airport.

Route 747 Towards Heuston Station
Normal route to East Wall Rd. then divert to Sheriff Street Upr, Seville Place, Amiens St. and back on to normal route.

List of roads closed

The following roads will be closed on the dates and times stated below:

The Samuel Beckett Bridge, Guild Street and Cardiff Lane will be closed from 08.00hrs to 24.00hrs on Thursday 23rd, Friday 24th, and Saturday 25th August and from 08.00hrs to 20.00hrs on Sunday 26th August 2012.
The East Link Bridge will operate at a reduced rate for the duration of the event, with bridge lifts in operation, especially on Thursday 23rd August, to facilitate entry of Tall Ships, and on Sunday 26th August to facilitate egress of Tall Ships.
Samuel Beckett Bridge from 08.00hrs on Thursday 23rd August, 2012 to 12.00hrs on Sunday 26th August, 2012.
South Dock Road from 10.00hrs on Thursday 23rd August, 2012 to 20.00hrs on Sunday 26th August, 2012.
The following roads will be closed from 07.00hrs on Thursday 23rd August, 2012 to 22.00hrs on Sunday 26th August, 2012.

Custom House Quay
North Wall Quay
Commons Street (from Custom House Quay to Mayor Street Lower)
Guild Street (from North Wall Quay to Mayor Street Lower)
New Wapping Street (from North Wall Quay to Mayor Street Upper)
Castleforbes Road (from North Wall Quay to Mayor Street Upper)
City Quay
Sir John Rogersons Quay
Prince’s Street South
Gloucester Street South
Lombard Street East (from City Quay to Townsend Street)
Creighton Street (from City Quay to Hanover Street East)
Windmill Lane
Lime Street (from Sir John Rogersons Quay to Hanover Street East)
Cardiff Lane (from Sir John Rogersons Quay to Misery Hill)
Misery Hill
Forbes Street
Hanover Quay
Benson Street
Green Street East
Britain Quay

So because a bus route is moved 50 metres to a parallel road for about 1 km it's adversely affected? Also the list of roads here are still open to motor traffic for local access apart from the north and south docklands quays. Motor traffic is prevented to these due to the numbers of people.

kippy

I appreciate the issues people are having up there.
Sorry for a thread derailure but I would be grateful if someone familiar with the area would be able to advise whether I will have any problem coming into the city beside Heuston station and travelling along the Quays to Dublin Port at 5:45 AM tomorrow morning?

Ernest

Bambi wrote: »

Maybe you should not be telling people how they should commute? Unless you're our previous lord mayor, of course :pac:

Maybe you'd explain how our public transport will cope if even half of these people piled onto it every time the corpo shut the city centre down, including for buses :rolleyes:? Maybe the last thing dublin needs is more two wheeled lemmings booting along the pavements?

The roads are for transport, the streets are for people, regularly shutting them both down, especially in the manner the corpo are doing it is massive a pain in the hole

Your otherwise reasonable arguments are ruined by (twice) using extremely coarse and, to me, quite unacceptable language as in the last sentence quoted above.

SantryRed

No reason why they couldn't open up John Rogerson's Quay this morning. Nothing on it at all.

Zulu

crosstownk wrote: »

Text them - let them know so they can alert others. They rely on listener feedback to some extent. 085 141 1032. Simples.

I was way too busy raving in my rage! Besides there's nowhere to pull in to text along fairview - I'd have been blocking the bus lane.

SBWife

kippy wrote: »

I appreciate the issues people are having up there.
Sorry for a thread derailure but I would be grateful if someone familiar with the area would be able to advise whether I will have any problem coming into the city beside Heuston station and travelling along the Quays to Dublin Port at 5:45 AM tomorrow morning?

The North quays are closed from Custom House Quay to the O2.

Dyr

Ernest wrote: »

Your otherwise reasonable arguments are ruined by (twice) using extremely coarse and, to me, quite unacceptable language as in the last sentence quoted above.

I'm very sorry, can you find it in your heart to forgive me?

Valetta

SantryRed wrote: »

No reason why they couldn't open up John Rogerson's Quay this morning. Nothing on it at all.

Classic.

kippy

SBWife wrote: »

The North quays are closed from Custom House Quay to the O2.

Even at that hour of the morning?
Damn, I'll have to figure another way of getting there.
Cheers.