Ireland & Personal Defence Weapons (Pepper Spray etc..)

Augmerson

Oh and Hai thar. I was wondering, what PDW are legal in Ireland? Can you legally buy and carrying things like Pepper Spray, or say something like Brass Knuckles etc?

seven_eleven

No. Neither.

Nodin

Augmerson wrote: »

Oh and Hai thar. I was wondering, what PDW are legal in Ireland? Can you legally buy and carrying things like Pepper Spray, or say something like Brass Knuckles etc?

pepper spray is treated as a firearm. "no" on the brass knucks.

Duggy747

Nope on either of those.

I just shìt my pants and hope they'll be disgusted enough to leave me alone.

Quite handy when there's a big queue at the ATM.

Augmerson

Stun Weapons?

Nodin

Augmerson wrote: »

Stun Weapons?

As in Tasers? Treated as a firearm, "no".

frag420

Fisty Cuffs are legal.

Use them!!

Wacker The Attacker

Augmerson wrote: »

Oh and Hai thar. I was wondering, what PDW are legal in Ireland? Can you legally buy and carrying things like Pepper Spray, or say something like Brass Knuckles etc?

Use your obvious charisma to disarm any possible assailants

saiint

nope
but their easy to get
me da has one in his taxi
except its not pepper spray
its a spray he got on holidays
its very dangerous
if you inhale it when its sprayed, it closes up your throat and basicly your ****ed for about 5minutes until it wers off

although he hasnt had a chance to use it
so i can imagin if someone tryed to rob him in the taxi
he sprayed them with it, and it ends up just been water

Wacker The Attacker

frag420 wrote: »

Fisty Cuffs are legal.

Use them!!

Only when you are tied to a bedpost with a cucumber up your hole

Johnny Bitte

You are not allowed to carry anything to my knowledge.

You must put your faith in the age old believe that it'll be grand!!!

Mr Benevolent

Nope. Things that are not designed as weapons occupy a grey area, i.e a small can of hairspray, a water pistol full of concentrated mace/water mix.

Heroditas

saiint wrote: »

nope
but their easy to get
me da has one in his taxi
except its not pepper spray
its a spray he got on holidays
its very dangerous
if you inhale it when its sprayed, it closes up your throat and basicly your ****ed for about 5minutes until it wers off

although he hasnt had a chance to use it
so i can imagin if someone tryed to rob him in the taxi
he sprayed them with it, and it ends up just been water

Translation?

saiint

Heroditas wrote: »

Translation?

a few mis spelt words and you need an entire translation? failed attempt at being funny? i think so

Heroditas

saiint wrote: »

a few mis spelt words and you need an entire translation? failed attempt at being funny? i think so

More than a few.
I wasn't attempting to be funny.
Have you heard of NALA?

JohnMarston

No PDWs OP, you might hurt your attacker

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Heroditas wrote: »

Translation?

What language would you like it translated to?

Heroditas

Genesis Sticky Vender wrote: »

What language would you like it translated to?

A legible/comprehensible form of English would be nice.

Tombi!

What are you? Some kind of scumbag?
So you get jumped by 10 youths, defend yourself under the law, you may kick them in the knee to knock them down and run away.

There's your defense. Pfft, using weapons like a scumbag.
Poor Damo and his mates could get hurt that way when they try smashing your face in!

CardBordWindow

If you were attacked, and used a PDW, you'd get more time in jail than your attacker would get if he put you in a coma!

Augmerson

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

What are you? Some kind of scumbag?
So you get jumped by 10 youths, defend yourself under the law, you may kick them in the knee to knock them down and run away.

There's your defense. Pfft, using weapons like a scumbag.
Poor Damo and his mates could get hurt that way when they try smashing your face in!

God Sir, I am not a scumbag. A friend from Sweden asked me what was legal in Ireland to carry as she was moving over for work in Dublin. Apparently you can carry Pepper Spray in Sweden. I said I didn't know what was legal....BUT I KNEW WHO WOULD KNOW, THOSE INTELLIGENT FELLOWS OVER IN AFTER HOURS.

saiint

Heroditas wrote: »

More than a few.
I wasn't attempting to be funny.
Have you heard of NALA?

yes you were
and it failed mate:)
this is an irish site? we irish dont exactly speak the proper english language? i can google translate it for you to British English if you like?
lets be honest if you cant read that
id be worried about your reading capabilities then someone else who makes mistakes in spelling

Augmerson

saiint wrote: »

yes you were
and it failed mate:)
this is an irish site? we irish dont exactly speak the proper english language? i can google translate it for you to British English if you like?

Your posts read like aborted haiku's.

Tombi!

Augmerson wrote: »

God Sir, I am not a scumbag. A friend from Sweden asked me what was legal in Ireland to carry as she was moving over for work in Dublin. Apparently you can carry Pepper Spray in Sweden. I said I didn't know what was legal....BUT I KNEW WHO WOULD KNOW, THOSE INTELLIGENT FELLOWS OVER IN AFTER HOURS.

I was making a joke about how the scumbags in ireland would get in less trouble for beating you up compared to you using pepper spray to stop them.

Heroditas

Augmerson wrote: »

saiint wrote: »

yes you were
and it failed mate:)
this is an irish site? we irish dont exactly speak the proper english language? i can google translate it for you to British English if you like?

Your posts read like aborted haiku's.

Now he's putting question marks at the end of every sentence to give his posts the pseudo American accent... the annoying one with the upward intonation at the end of every sentence.
You should try reading it out loud?
You'll see what I mean?

saiint

Heroditas wrote: »

Now he's putting question marks at the end of every sentence to give his posts the pseudo American accent... the annoying one with the upward intonation at the end of every sentence.
You should try reading it out loud?
You'll see what I mean?

sounds kwl
oh sorry i mean "cool"

KeithM89_old

Heroditas wrote: »

Translation?

saiint wrote: »

a few mis spelt words and you need an entire translation? failed attempt at being funny? i think so

Heroditas wrote: »

More than a few.
I wasn't attempting to be funny.
Have you heard of NALA?

Genesis Sticky Vender wrote: »

What language would you like it translated to?

Heroditas wrote: »

A legible/comprehensible form of English would be nice.

saiint wrote: »

yes you were
and it failed mate:)
this is an irish site? we irish dont exactly speak the proper english language? i can google translate it for you to British English if you like?
lets be honest if you cant read that
id be worried about your reading capabilities then someone else who makes mistakes in spelling

Augmerson wrote: »

Your posts read like aborted haiku's.

Heroditas wrote: »

Now he's putting question marks at the end of every sentence to give his posts the pseudo American accent... the annoying one with the upward intonation at the end of every sentence.
You should try reading it out loud?
You'll see what I mean?

saiint wrote: »

sounds kwl
oh sorry i mean "cool"

Enough!!

BattleCorp

CardBordWindow wrote: »

If you were attacked, and used a PDW, you'd get more time in jail than your attacker would get if he put you in a coma!

The above comment is very true. The sh1tkicking scumbags who try to attack you won't get in half as much bother as you if you mace or pepper spray them.

The law is fcuked up.

Tombi!

BattleCorp wrote: »

The above comment is very true. The sh1tkicking scumbags who try to attack you won't get in half as much bother as you if you mace or pepper spray them.

The law is fcuked up.

Ah now come on, who's the real scumbag? The poor deprived kids who are on the dole addicted to drugs/drink or the monster who brutally uses a weapon in self-defense against 10 deprived youths from a poor area?:pac:

hatrickpatrick

Unfortunately Ireland has far too big a problem with organized crime for this to ever be viable. Best keep it as complicated and difficult as possible for scumbags to arm themselves.

Can you imagine the bloodbath at the Swedish House Mafia if the scumbags who stabbed people had instead been armed with tasers? Or if they had been able to fire a cannister of pepper spray into the crowd before starting their rampages?

The reprecussions are too hideous to contemplate...

saiint

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Ah now come on, who's the real scumbag? The poor deprived kids who are on the dole addicted to drugs/drink or the monster who brutally uses a weapon in self-defense against 10 deprived youths from a poor area?:pac:

you'd make a great solicitor :pac:

BrianD3

Under the 1925 Firearms act, weapons which emit noxious liquids or gases are banned. Banned outright, you can't possess one and it's not possible to obtain a permit for one. The question is, what constitutes a weapon and what is the exact definition of noxious.

nox·ious
adj.
1. Harmful to living things; injurious to health:

Is pepper spray harmful or injurious or merely annoying? Even if it is harmful or injurious if it is used for some other legal purpose it could then be legal. Eg caustic oven cleaner sprays, weedkiller sprays etc are very likely "noxious" and worse than pepper spray if sprayed in someone's eyes - but they are legal to own. However if you are in a public place and are carrying something that could be used as a weapon and you have no good reason to have it then that would be against the law.

In other legislation there is a long list of specific items that you cannot sell or import. Machetes, throwing stars etc. IIRC they are legal to own but if you are carrying one in a public place you're probably in trouble as you're not going to be able to use the "good reason" excuse.

blatantrereg

Four scumbags came up to me and my friend. One said they were police looking for drugs (a cunning ruse) then pushed and threw a punch at my friend. I pepper sprayed two of them, told my friend to run, and we ran off. That was the end of it.

Now I dont think we were in any proper danger. They were just dumb young twats trying to show off to each other, rather than more dangerous types. The punch the guy threw didn't connect properly even though it took my friend by surprise. At the risk of sounding liek a keyboard warrior or something I know we would have handled them easily enough and they would have realised they shouldn't have tried anything anyway. My friend was short but also very strong and I knew him from karate and judo classes. I myself have had a couple of occasions where I needed to defend myself and I was well able to do so as well. Nonetheless, there is always the possibility that some silly twat thinks pulling a knife is better than losing face. But really my point is that, without pepper spray, there was no way that situation was going to result in anything but more violence and physical injury. In Ireland the law against them is silly.

Incidentally the pepper spray was just actual peppers crushed up and put in a spray can. I managed to get some in my own face when I used it somehow, and it hurt and made my eyes run, but it was never going to do anyone any actual damage by itself.

suicide_circus

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Unfortunately Ireland has far too big a problem with organized crime...

no, it doesn't. Step away from the Paul Williams book.

DipStick McSwindler

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Nodin

blatantrereg wrote: »

Four scumbags came up to me and my friend. One said they were police looking for drugs (a cunning ruse) then pushed and threw a punch at my friend. I pepper sprayed two of them, told my friend to run, and we ran off. That was the end of it.

Now I dont think we were in any proper danger. They were just dumb young twats trying to show off to each other, rather than more dangerous types. The punch the guy threw didn't connect properly even though it took my friend by surprise. At the risk of sounding liek a keyboard warrior or something I know we would have handled them easily enough and they would have realised they shouldn't have tried anything anyway. My friend was short but also very strong and I knew him from karate and judo classes. I myself have had a couple of occasions where I needed to defend myself and I was well able to do so as well. Nonetheless, there is always the possibility that some silly twat thinks pulling a knife is better than losing face. But really my point is that, without pepper spray, there was no way that situation was going to result in anything but more violence and physical injury. In Ireland the law against them is silly.

Incidentally the pepper spray was just actual peppers crushed up and put in a spray can. I managed to get some in my own face when I used it somehow, and it hurt and made my eyes run, but it was never going to do anyone any actual damage by itself.

I BELIEVE YOU.


No, really.

blatantrereg

Nodin wrote: »

I BELIEVE YOU.


No, really.

Why would I make that up?

Rigol

Nodin wrote: »

pepper spray is treated as a firearm.

Duuude ...seriously?

Nodin

Rigol wrote: »

Duuude ...seriously?

O yeah. Same with Tasers.

Nodin

blatantrereg wrote: »

Why would I make that up?

That would be outside my remit and area of professional competence, I'm afraid.

JohnMarston

OP tell your friend to learn the bodys pressure points. They can then become a defense weapon themselves

Jamlad

take up Krav maga.. should be weapon enough when competent at it !!

bluecode

Rigol wrote: »

Duuude ...seriously?

Essentially, but at least you can get a permit for a firearm. You cannot get one for pepper spray. We live in a real nanny state.

Toy guns are treated as if they're real firearms if the person you wave it at thinks it's real. So remember that the next time your kids lean over the nasty neighbours wall and pretend to shoot them.

But a decent alternative to pepper spray is simply any perfume or other similar spray. Most women carry perfume with them. A face full of that is enough to put anyone off. Deep Heat too might be a bit offputting.

Me? I just run like hell.

Nidge_Weasel

saiint wrote: »

nope
but their easy to get
me da has one in his taxi
except its not pepper spray
its a spray he got on holidays
its very dangerous
if you inhale it when its sprayed, it closes up your throat and basicly your ****ed for about 5minutes until it wers off

although he hasnt had a chance to use it
so i can imagin if someone tryed to rob him in the taxi
he sprayed them with it, and it ends up just been water

or he'l use it, in the confined space of a taxi and knock himself out just as bad or worse than the assailant, and still get the shoite kicked outta him by said assailant and his cronies