New TV3 Programme 'The Estate' in Ballybeg

roxyworldgirl

mcko wrote: »

I never said all people are like that, but the small minority end up getting lots of support that could be better spent.

Agreed... It seems to be a slippery slope where one benefit is never enough and the "entitlements" keep on coming... What makes someone you probably has never worked before entitled to something like rent allowance and others who are in a stable relationship working day to day, not?

It seems to be an incentive for recklessness and a hardship for those who planned a family but simply can't afford to have them because they would not be as supported.

I was disgusted to see a clip of children being ordered out of a room so that the mother could smoke on this show and the language which the child is obviously not sheltered from.

The common consensus after the show was that more people like Tommy should have been shown and the organisations which are helping people improve their lives.... But as for one in particular its obvious the community is let down by the camera following someone who is the embodiment of the stigma they are trying to remove....

mcko

I never said that I totally support the welfare system and as you say your family worked their whole lives and now get feck all off the welfare, that is the system I agree with but the people in the show last night have never worked , will never work and that is where the resources should be better spent. I pay over €600 a week in stoppages to the government, if I lost my job tomorrow I would get the same as every one else and that's fine to.

The point I am making is that we need to stop rewarding children for having children.between unmarried mothers ,rent allowance, children's allowance, medical cards, uniform allowance, book allowances ect, it's not fair on married working couples who are struggling and paying more that their fair share.
I am taxed to the hilt and I can claim nothing and must pay for all my services and doctors ect.

marysirish

roxyworldgirl wrote: »

Agreed... It seems to be a slippery slope where one benefit is never enough and the "entitlements" keep on coming... What makes someone you probably has never worked before entitled to something like rent allowance and others who are in a stable relationship working day to day, not?

It seems to be an incentive for recklessness and a hardship for those who planned a family but simply can't afford to have them because they would not be as supported.

I was disgusted to see a clip of children being ordered out of a room so that the mother could smoke on this show and the language which the child is obviously not sheltered from.

The common consensus after the show was that more people like Tommy should have been shown and the organisations which are helping people improve their lives.... But as for one in particular its obvious the community is let down by the camera following someone who is the embodiment of the stigma they are trying to remove....

I agree it is disgusting to see that and they should of showen more people like Tommy, I think 80% of the people living there are hard working people, I moved out of Ballybeg when I was 21 moved out of Ireland, and all the familyies I knew when I lived there where hard working people, those people are entitled to support, but you also have the kids that can't do anything about what happened to them, what about those kids where do they have to get the help from, here's just to hope that they show the other side of the story on the next show.

john do

The girl on the program last night was a disgrace, I don,t care were she comes from, I wouldn,t give her a shoe box to live in. How the hell did a girl of 20 get a house like that for noting, it was clear she wasnt able to cope with having a home of her own. In a fair society a house like that should be handed over to a family who really need it and who will appreciate it. I think anyone under the age of 25 unless married deserve to be handed a house like that, and shouldn,t be put on any housing authority list. I,d like to see that girl cope if she had a morgage on her back instead of a few utility bills, but then again thats never going to happen and its obvious she's going to be a free loader for the rest of her life, and never contribute anything but financial cost to the state. She was so ignorant, smoking like a trooper with one breath, while complaining about money with another breath. The house was a mess, the garden over grown, what does the girl do all day, other than been a drain on society.

Smiley Burnett

that show last night is a damning indictment of
1-our education system
2-our welfare policy
3-our housing policy during celtic tiger years (it has since changed)

roxyworldgirl

john do wrote: »

The girl on the program last night was a disgrace, I don,t care were she comes from, I wouldn,t give her a shoe box to live in. How the hell did a girl of 20 get a house like that for noting, it was clear she wasnt able to cope with having a home of her own. In a fair society a house like that should be handed over to a family who really need it and who will appreciate it. I think anyone under the age of 25 unless married deserve to be handed a house like that, and shouldn,t be put on any housing authority list. I,d like to see that girl cope if she had a morgage on her back instead of a few utility bills, but then again thats never going to happen and its obvious she's going to be a free loader for the rest of her life, and never contribute anything but financial cost to the state. She was so ignorant, smoking like a trooper with one breath, while complaining about money with another breath. The house was a mess, the garden over grown, what does the girl do all day, other than been a drain on society.

It doesn't matter at all she could have been from anywhere in the country but just happened to be associated with this community ...
I'm assuming she got the house as a single mother with family close by, but from the looks of the show she should be careful with so many living there, the council are bound to intervene at some stage.....
A big enough house like that could be used by a whole family who may need it more...

roxyworldgirl

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

that show last night is a damning indictment of
1-our education system
2-our welfare policy
3-our housing policy during celtic tiger years (it has since changed)

the celtic tiger was extinct long before some got houses if the child is 2...

mcko

I rent a house to a girl with one kid, it's a three bed semi, she gets €700 rent allowance per month, she looks after 2 kids cash in hand for €250 a week.
The ironic thing is the working mother is paying her €250 a week to work to pay her mortgage and gets no help from the state.
I pay over 50 % of the rental income in tax, the system is insane.

Brick Session

I think this show was typical TV3 gutter press and not a bit representative of Ballybeg on the whole. Hopefully the next 2 shows will be more balanced.

I don't live there, I am not from there but I know a hell of a lot of very decent people who are from there and they are extremely disappointed of the portrayal of their home place.

mcko

I think most people agree that the majority of people in these estates are ok, it's the minority that people have a problem with when all they do is suck the system dry and will never put anything back.
Look at the feller with the animals in the garden, I bet he never worked a day in his life.

marysirish

john do wrote: »

The girl on the program last night was a disgrace, I don,t care were she comes from, I wouldn,t give her a shoe box to live in. How the hell did a girl of 20 get a house like that for noting, it was clear she wasnt able to cope with having a home of her own. In a fair society a house like that should be handed over to a family who really need it and who will appreciate it. I think anyone under the age of 25 unless married deserve to be handed a house like that, and shouldn,t be put on any housing authority list. I,d like to see that girl cope if she had a morgage on her back instead of a few utility bills, but then again thats never going to happen and its obvious she's going to be a free loader for the rest of her life, and never contribute anything but financial cost to the state. She was so ignorant, smoking like a trooper with one breath, while complaining about money with another breath. The house was a mess, the garden over grown, what does the girl do all day, other than been a drain on society.

I agree with you about the girl, but what about the other people living there, they are really not all the same, but even where I'm living now there are mothers living in houses with only one child of even one person living alone in a house, the girl can't do any thing about that, it is the council that has to change.

marysirish

mcko wrote: »

I never said that I totally support the welfare system and as you say your family worked their whole lives and now get feck all off the welfare, that is the system I agree with but the people in the show last night have never worked , will never work and that is where the resources should be better spent. I pay over €600 a week in stoppages to the government, if I lost my job tomorrow I would get the same as every one else and that's fine to.

The point I am making is that we need to stop rewarding children for having children.between unmarried mothers ,rent allowance, children's allowance, medical cards, uniform allowance, book allowances ect, it's not fair on married working couples who are struggling and paying more that their fair share.
I am taxed to the hilt and I can claim nothing and must pay for all my services and doctors ect.

I agree that they should stop paying welfare to children that can use the pill so they don't have to have children, but if they stop the welfare for those children, what do their kids eat from, of course their family could help or they get of their ass and get a job.But not to unmarried mothers, if they have been married and then get divorced, them they can't help it, but then the father also have to pay for the child or the mother it depends on where the child is living.

marysirish

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

that show last night is a damning indictment of
1-our education system
2-our welfare policy
3-our housing policy during celtic tiger years (it has since changed)

It hasn't changed, because if it did that girl won't have the house or welfare but she does and she makes everyone that come from Ballybeg look a disgrace.

marysirish

roxyworldgirl wrote: »

It doesn't matter at all she could have been from anywhere in the country but just happened to be associated with this community ...
I'm assuming she got the house as a single mother with family close by, but from the looks of the show she should be careful with so many living there, the council are bound to intervene at some stage.....
A big enough house like that could be used by a whole family who may need it more...

The council, we come back to it again, it cost money to intervene and they give their money out on other things, as long as the girl don't cause any trouble and pays her rent the council won't come and check.

sparkling sea

mcko wrote: »

The problem is that we need to stop rewarding children for having children, it's not just in Waterford every estate has them, a classic example of the mother being a mother at 17 and then the daughter has a kid at 17.
The young men get away scott free leaving young girls to raise the kids.
I always thought it is totally unjust that married couples are discriminated against compared to unmarried girls, the daughter of one of the lads at work is married has a kid and they are paying €900 a month on rent and are trying to save to buy a house , why don't they get rent allowance.
One final point, if the girl doesn't name the father on the birth cert no welfare payments and when the father is named stop half his welfare payments and give them to the mother, it might stop young men getting girls pregnant.

I suppose I was left feeling sad after watching the show and how people live their lives without any sense of responsibility as citizens, it's all about entitlement and not responsibility.

I am sure there are lots of hard working people on the estate as well and I feel more sorry for them that they are dragged down by wasters.

Your income determines whether or not you get rent allowance not your martial status.

Hootanany

When is it on again.

sparkling sea

marysirish wrote: »

I agree that they should stop paying welfare to children that can use the pill so they don't have to have children, but if they stop the welfare for those children, what do their kids eat from, of course their family could help or they get of their ass and get a job.But not to unmarried mothers, if they have been married and then get divorced, them they can't help it, but then the father also have to pay for the child or the mother it depends on where the child is living.

The Magdelenes spring to mind - misogyny is alive and kicking here - and the makers of this show didn't miss a trick.

We learn so little from our mistakes - why is the fact that this girl is unmarried an issue. Many people get welfare payments, many people can't get a job - its not true to say that people who get divorced can't get welfare payments- every payment is determined by income

Women in Ireland do actually work and aren't dependant on their little old husbands to bring home the bacon - this is not the 1970s

Here are the CSO unemployment stats - Unemployment: The unemployment rate for men in Ireland was about 5% in recent years but in 2009 it increased dramatically to 15.1% and has increased over the last two years to stand at 17.5% in 2011. The unemployment rate for women, which stood at about 4% over the last few years, also increased sharply in 2009 to 8.1% and has risen over the last two years to 10.4% in 2011. For the 20-24 age group, about a third of men and just over a fifth of women were unemployed in 2011
Countless survey have shown the more women become pregnant accidentially, whether married or single, young or not so young. About 1/3 of all children born in

Teenage pregnancy rates have dramatically dropped in Ireland

The number of Irish women having abortions has also dropped and FYI the majority of Irish women who had and have abortions are still in their mid twenties. So some Irish men and women still have unwanted pregnacies, many married couples have unplanned and/or unwanted pregnancies, why is no one criticising them - they cost the state more? Stupid arguement

Its just easier to pick on teenage or youngers girls - easy targets - they always have been in Ireland - and didn't the makers of "The Estate" just know that lots of people wouldn't be able to resist picking on an easy target -Well done.

sparkling sea

mcko wrote: »

I rent a house to a girl with one kid, it's a three bed semi, she gets €700 rent allowance per month, she looks after 2 kids cash in hand for €250 a week.
The ironic thing is the working mother is paying her €250 a week to work to pay her mortgage and gets no help from the state.
I pay over 50 % of the rental income in tax, the system is insane.

Well I dont know where you live mcko but the maximum you should be getting for a single parent with 1 child in Waterford is €500.

Why do you pay over 50% of your rental income in tax, that sounds very strange?

You should call into Citizens Information, there seems to be things you could do with an update on!

One last thing how do you know the working mother is not getting any help from the state - she might be getting FIS or MIS or she might qualify for a medical card given are cost of child care?

spankmemunkey

sparkling sea wrote: »

The Magdelenes spring to mind - misogyny is alive and kicking here - and the makers of this show didn't miss a trick.

We learn so little from our mistakes - why is the fact that this girl is unmarried an issue. Many people get welfare payments, many people can't get a job - its not true to say that people who get divorced can't get welfare payments- every payment is determined by income

Women in Ireland do actually work and aren't dependant on their little old husbands to bring home the bacon - this is not the 1970s

Here are the CSO unemployment stats - Unemployment: The unemployment rate for men in Ireland was about 5% in recent years but in 2009 it increased dramatically to 15.1% and has increased over the last two years to stand at 17.5% in 2011. The unemployment rate for women, which stood at about 4% over the last few years, also increased sharply in 2009 to 8.1% and has risen over the last two years to 10.4% in 2011. For the 20-24 age group, about a third of men and just over a fifth of women were unemployed in 2011
Countless survey have shown the more women become pregnant accidentially, whether married or single, young or not so young. About 1/3 of all children born in

Teenage pregnancy rates have dramatically dropped in Ireland

The number of Irish women having abortions has also dropped and FYI the majority of Irish women who had and have abortions are still in their mid twenties. So some Irish men and women still have unwanted pregnacies, many married couples have unplanned and/or unwanted pregnancies, why is no one criticising them - they cost the state more? Stupid arguement

Its just easier to pick on teenage or youngers girls - easy targets - they always have been in Ireland - and didn't the makers of "The Estate" just know that lots of people wouldn't be able to resist picking on an easy target -Well done.

I think youll find that this woman probably didnt make an effort in school probably didnt go to college, not cos she couldnt afford it, cos she didnt want to or wasnt able to because when she was in secondary school she was probably more interested in sitting down the back having a laugh not applying herself and not really caring about school, eager to get out of school to get her own life and then goes and gets knocked up and rely's on the social system around her like so many others, surely they wont leave me and my baby starve, oh well ill look on the bright side i dont have to work and i get a free house, These ARE lifestyle choices instead of applying yourself in school in secondary school and wanting to succeed instead of wanting to get out of there as quick as possible, youll probably find most of these girls thought they could leave school and theyll be grand afterwards not realising how hard the world actually is, Alot of blame has to be placed on their parents who havent prepaired them for life properly!

sparkling sea

spankmemunkey wrote: »

I think youll find that this woman probably didnt make an effort in school probably didnt go to college, not cos she couldnt afford it, cos she didnt want to or wasnt able to because when she was in secondary school she was probably more interested in sitting down the back having a laugh not applying herself and not really caring about school, eager to get out of school to get her own life and then goes and gets knocked up and rely's on the social system around her like so many others, surely they wont leave me and my baby starve, oh well ill look on the bright side i dont have to work and i get a free house, These ARE lifestyle choices instead of applying yourself in school in secondary school and wanting to succeed instead of wanting to get out of there as quick as possible, youll probably find most of these girls thought they could leave school and theyll be grand afterwards not realising how hard the world actually is, Alot of blame has to be placed on their parents who havent prepaired them for life properly!

Do you not remember what it was like in school, lots of people messed around; some people are just more fortunate and get 2nd and 3rd and 4th chances. In fairness, you seem to have been day dreaming in English grammar and punctuation usage lessons - and I too dreamed a bit - not as much as you though lol

Unmarried mothers are the easy target though and historically always has been in Ireland and there have been many consequences for us as a society because of this targeting. Yet people choose to target them over and over again - some good decision making going on here.

People without children get houses or apartments and social welfare, and raising a child alone is not an easy job; maybe as a 21 year old this girl is making some mistakes but then don't we all

Your post could apply to lots of people when they were teenagers whether they are married, unmarried, with or without children now.

sparkling sea

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

that show last night is a damning indictment of
1-our education system
2-our welfare policy
3-our housing policy during celtic tiger years (it has since changed)

None of our socio economic policies faired that well.

spankmemunkey

sparkling sea wrote: »

Do you not remember what it was like in school, lots of people messed around; some people are just more fortunate and get 2nd and 3rd and 4th chances. In fairness, you seem to have been day dreaming in English grammar and punctuation usage lessons - and I too dreamed a bit - not as much as you though lol

Unmarried mothers are the easy target though and historically always has been in Ireland and there have been many consequences for us as a society because of this targeting. Yet people choose to target them over and over again - some good decision making going on here.

People without children get houses or apartments and social welfare, and raising a child alone is not an easy job; maybe as a 21 year old this girl is making some mistakes but then don't we all

Your post could apply to lots of people when they were teenagers whether they are married, unmarried, with or without children now.

English is my third language!

spankmemunkey

sparkling sea wrote: »

Do you not remember what it was like in school, lots of people messed around; some people are just more fortunate and get 2nd and 3rd and 4th chances. In fairness, you seem to have been day dreaming in English grammar and punctuation usage lessons - and I too dreamed a bit - not as much as you though lol

Unmarried mothers are the easy target though and historically always has been in Ireland and there have been many consequences for us as a society because of this targeting. Yet people choose to target them over and over again - some good decision making going on here.

People without children get houses or apartments and social welfare, and raising a child alone is not an easy job; maybe as a 21 year old this girl is making some mistakes but then don't we all

Your post could apply to lots of people when they were teenagers whether they are married, unmarried, with or without children now.

So this girl should blame society for her failings and not her life decisions?
Not once did i see her hold her child in her arms like a mother(could be down to editing), these are just silly self centred kids who get everything handed to them from the state and prioritise watching Big Brother or Britains got talent Jeremy Kyle, they are content with the rut they are in, and it seems all the more normal because their friends are the same, If i had money problems i would get rid of sky thats 27 euro a month minimum and youd still get free to air TV and so what if they dont have TV read a book for christ sake, If you haven't got money give up smokes, etc etc etc, How much is a box of smokes these days? Bone idle people who havent worked a day in their lives and theyre happy like that and guess what I'm paying for it as is my partner through our taxes

Ive seen it all before and ive heard all the excuses before, If you want to live your life like this then so be it, if you want to better yourself you can, look at the sacrifices Polish people make, they have to move to diffrerent countries to work sweeping floors in a foreign country cos they dont get these types of benefits at home, They cant afford to rely on the state and come to countries like ours to work! these kids are just content to live like this oh i have a house im a grown up, They have no ambition in life and they get people like you who sugar coat them and say oh the poor things we've let them down its societys fault, They made their life choices, doctors lawyers and basic hard workers made life choices and they are payed to reflect their hard work.

I had to fast forward watching this cos it was so cringe worthy, They should be monitored more closely, This is not a rant at unmarried mothers or single mothers, just at people who rely on handouts and walk around in PJ's all day drives me nuts. were paying for them to walk around in PJ's

Imagine telling some of these work shy's to pack your bags your moving to Poland to work sweeping up scraps on a meat factory oh yeah and you have to learn polish and pay your way all on minimum wage! What type of reaction would you get?

Some people want to work and some people dont some people want to better themselves and some people dont,

Also parents of these people have alot to answer for, they send them out into the world with poor education or lack of ambition because it was most likely the same for them.

Not The Real Scarecrow

spankmemunkey wrote: »

So this girl should blame society for her failings and not her life decisions?
Not once did i see her hold her child in her arms like a mother(could be down to editing), these are just silly self centred kids who get everything handed to them from the state and prioritise watching Big Brother or Britains got talent Jeremy Kyle, they are content with the rut they are in, and it seems all the more normal because their friends are the same, If i had money problems i would get rid of sky thats 27 euro a month minimum and youd still get free to air TV and so what if they dont have TV read a book for christ sake, If you haven't got money give up smokes, etc etc etc, How much is a box of smokes these days? Bone idle people who havent worked a day in their lives and theyre happy like that and guess what I'm paying for it as is my partner through our taxes

Ive seen it all before and ive heard all the excuses before, If you want to live your life like this then so be it, if you want to better yourself you can, look at the sacrifices Polish people make, they have to move to diffrerent countries to work sweeping floors in a foreign country cos they dont get these types of benefits at home, They cant afford to rely on the state and come to countries like ours to work! these kids are just content to live like this oh i have a house im a grown up, They have no ambition in life and they get people like you who sugar coat them and say oh the poor things we've let them down its societys fault, They made their life choices, doctors lawyers and basic hard workers made life choices and they are payed to reflect their hard work.

I had to fast forward watching this cos it was so cringe worthy, They should be monitored more closely, This is not a rant at unmarried mothers or single mothers, just at people who rely on handouts and walk around in PJ's all day drives me nuts. were paying for them to walk around in PJ's

900+ posts later and I finally agree with something you post.Well said and stated, especially for some one who isn't a native english speaker.

spankmemunkey

Meatwad wrote: »

900+ posts later and I finally agree with something you post.Well said and stated, especially for some one who isn't a native english speaker.

Wow 900? posts thank you meatwad!:D

People always love to blame others or society for their failings in life. I guarantee you if you could offer one of those people a job on minimum wage on nights or something they would refuse it, none of them are in a position to refuse work, The only thing in their defence i would say is once they are out of work so long it is extremely hard for them to break that habbit, They have thier priorities completely wrong, That girl just wants to hang around and have fun with her mates in her house, sorry but your playing catch up now and you must get educated or this will be the story of your life, this does sound cruel but you have to be cruel to be kind, they are on easy street.

DonFred

Well said spankmemunkey - you only speaking what everyone is thinking!

spankmemunkey

DonFred wrote: »

Well said spankmemunkey - you only speaking what everyone is thinking!

The only person i felt sympathy for was the guy who was working with young people, I felt compelled to try and help him out when he needed money for training not that i have money just he seemed so hungry for it, I would also hold a small amount of worry for the other guy who was having problems, my gut tells me he will end up at square one but if hes reading this i hope he has the power to realise life is short and it is a Cliche but he can do anything now in life hes at his lowest and it should only be up from here, he really should look at it like its a blank canvis maybe he would be an ideal youth worker, bad guy turned good, good luck to you.

What we all have to remember this was an exercise by TV3 to stir the Sh't and get this type of reaction, they didnt want everybody to say oh yeah isnt that great, they wanted to p'ss people off cos that compells people to watch and gets ratings, its ALL ABOUT RATINGS.

sparkling sea

spankmemunkey wrote: »

So this girl should blame society for her failings and not her life decisions?
Not once did i see her hold her child in her arms like a mother(could be down to editing), these are just silly self centred kids who get everything handed to them from the state and prioritise watching Big Brother or Britains got talent Jeremy Kyle, they are content with the rut they are in, and it seems all the more normal because their friends are the same, If i had money problems i would get rid of sky thats 27 euro a month minimum and youd still get free to air TV and so what if they dont have TV read a book for christ sake, If you haven't got money give up smokes, etc etc etc, How much is a box of smokes these days? Bone idle people who havent worked a day in their lives and theyre happy like that and guess what I'm paying for it as is my partner through our taxes

Ive seen it all before and ive heard all the excuses before, If you want to live your life like this then so be it, if you want to better yourself you can, look at the sacrifices Polish people make, they have to move to diffrerent countries to work sweeping floors in a foreign country cos they dont get these types of benefits at home, They cant afford to rely on the state and come to countries like ours to work! these kids are just content to live like this oh i have a house im a grown up, They have no ambition in life and they get people like you who sugar coat them and say oh the poor things we've let them down its societys fault, They made their life choices, doctors lawyers and basic hard workers made life choices and they are payed to reflect their hard work.

I had to fast forward watching this cos it was so cringe worthy, They should be monitored more closely, This is not a rant at unmarried mothers or single mothers, just at people who rely on handouts and walk around in PJ's all day drives me nuts. were paying for them to walk around in PJ's

Imagine telling some of these work shy's to pack your bags your moving to Poland to work sweeping up scraps on a meat factory oh yeah and you have to learn polish and pay your way all on minimum wage! What type of reaction would you get?

Some people want to work and some people dont some people want to better themselves and some people dont,

Also parents of these people have alot to answer for, they send them out into the world with poor education or lack of ambition because it was most likely the same for them.

Who is Jeremy Kyle? Is he a fellow onanist :P

I was specifically referring to the targeting of unmarried mothers - no person should abuse the system, it makes the burden heavier for the rest of us and that's not fair.

In Celtic tiger years Ireland had full employment - I think the unemployment rate was under 3% - people do want to work and better themselves but we don't all have the same chances or luck or both. Some people have a much harder start then others, this fact can't be ignored.

araic88

marysirish wrote: »

here's just to hope that they show the other side of the story on the next show.

It's TV3 so i doubt it plus, the family being shown next week is well known, and often not for great reasons
I know a lovely family who was filmed for this programme for months but then pulled out, it's typical that so often the decent, quiet and hardworking families would be too shy / wary for attention like this so the mouthy, reality show types are on :rolleyes:
I thought the young mother and her friend were a disgrace but that Tommy was a gem with a great future & Mr Ronan was just hilarious

marysirish

sparkling sea wrote: »

The Magdelenes spring to mind - misogyny is alive and kicking here - and the makers of this show didn't miss a trick.

We learn so little from our mistakes - why is the fact that this girl is unmarried an issue. Many people get welfare payments, many people can't get a job - its not true to say that people who get divorced can't get welfare payments- every payment is determined by income

Women in Ireland do actually work and aren't dependant on their little old husbands to bring home the bacon - this is not the 1970s

Here are the CSO unemployment stats - Unemployment: The unemployment rate for men in Ireland was about 5% in recent years but in 2009 it increased dramatically to 15.1% and has increased over the last two years to stand at 17.5% in 2011. The unemployment rate for women, which stood at about 4% over the last few years, also increased sharply in 2009 to 8.1% and has risen over the last two years to 10.4% in 2011. For the 20-24 age group, about a third of men and just over a fifth of women were unemployed in 2011
Countless survey have shown the more women become pregnant accidentially, whether married or single, young or not so young. About 1/3 of all children born in

Teenage pregnancy rates have dramatically dropped in Ireland

The number of Irish women having abortions has also dropped and FYI the majority of Irish women who had and have abortions are still in their mid twenties. So some Irish men and women still have unwanted pregnacies, many married couples have unplanned and/or unwanted pregnancies, why is no one criticising them - they cost the state more? Stupid arguement

Its just easier to pick on teenage or youngers girls - easy targets - they always have been in Ireland - and didn't the makers of "The Estate" just know that lots of people wouldn't be able to resist picking on an easy target -Well done.

First of all I didn't say that people who get divorced can't get welfare payments, I said they should but the father or mother should also pay towards the child's upbringing and of course married couples have unplanned and/or unwanted pregnancies, and if they don't want the child then they also have an abortion, but I didn't think you could have one in Ireland.I don't pick on young girls for having kids,I just think its not good for them to have kids at so an young age, their throwing away their hole life, I also have kids and I can say it is hard to bring up kids so wait till your a bit older to have them, but do not tell me I'm picking on young kids for having baby's I know a few myself and most of them say, they wish they had waited till they where older. I just think "The Estate"could of picking someone better to put in the show, and it is disgusting how she is living, if you can't afford gas then get rid of your mobile and your Big TV then you can pay your gas.

marysirish

spankmemunkey wrote: »

So this girl should blame society for her failings and not her life decisions?
Not once did i see her hold her child in her arms like a mother(could be down to editing), these are just silly self centred kids who get everything handed to them from the state and prioritise watching Big Brother or Britains got talent Jeremy Kyle, they are content with the rut they are in, and it seems all the more normal because their friends are the same, If i had money problems i would get rid of sky thats 27 euro a month minimum and youd still get free to air TV and so what if they dont have TV read a book for christ sake, If you haven't got money give up smokes, etc etc etc, How much is a box of smokes these days? Bone idle people who havent worked a day in their lives and theyre happy like that and guess what I'm paying for it as is my partner through our taxes

Ive seen it all before and ive heard all the excuses before, If you want to live your life like this then so be it, if you want to better yourself you can, look at the sacrifices Polish people make, they have to move to diffrerent countries to work sweeping floors in a foreign country cos they dont get these types of benefits at home, They cant afford to rely on the state and come to countries like ours to work! these kids are just content to live like this oh i have a house im a grown up, They have no ambition in life and they get people like you who sugar coat them and say oh the poor things we've let them down its societys fault, They made their life choices, doctors lawyers and basic hard workers made life choices and they are payed to reflect their hard work.

I had to fast forward watching this cos it was so cringe worthy, They should be monitored more closely, This is not a rant at unmarried mothers or single mothers, just at people who rely on handouts and walk around in PJ's all day drives me nuts. were paying for them to walk around in PJ's

Imagine telling some of these work shy's to pack your bags your moving to Poland to work sweeping up scraps on a meat factory oh yeah and you have to learn polish and pay your way all on minimum wage! What type of reaction would you get?

Some people want to work and some people dont some people want to better themselves and some people dont,

Also parents of these people have alot to answer for, they send them out into the world with poor education or lack of ambition because it was most likely the same for them.

At last someone who tells how it really is and his not even Irish

marysirish

araic88 wrote: »

It's TV3 so i doubt it plus, the family being shown next week is well known, and often not for great reasons
I know a lovely family who was filmed for this programme for months but then pulled out, it's typical that so often the decent, quiet and hardworking families would be too shy / wary for attention like this so the mouthy, reality show types are on :rolleyes:
I thought the young mother and her friend were a disgrace but that Tommy was a gem with a great future & Mr Ronan was just hilarious

Can you send me a private message with the name of the family who will be in next weeks show, I come from there myself and would like to know.

spankmemunkey

sparkling sea wrote: »

Who is Jeremy Kyle? Is he a fellow onanist :P

I was specifically referring to the targeting of unmarried mothers - no person should abuse the system, it makes the burden heavier for the rest of us and that's not fair.

In Celtic tiger years Ireland had full employment - I think the unemployment rate was under 3% - people do want to work and better themselves but we don't all have the same chances or luck or both. Some people have a much harder start then others, this fact can't be ignored.

I still dont agree with the majority of what you say, are you telling me that the entire population of ballybeg werent walking around in PJ's during the Celtic Tiger years and were actaully walking around instead with suits and briefcases? all wishing each other good morning on their rush to the stock exchange? Oh i must have missed that so! and the cars the burnt out cars they were also maybe their work transport that other bad people maybe Immigrants? they came in and stole their cars and burnt them out?

3 percent of the population not working are EXACTLY these type of people, BONE IDLE dont want to work dont NEED to work its all handed to them, send them to Poland to work for 4 euro an hour on a 49 hour a week shift in a meat processing plant sweeping the floor, They would never do that, yet we have Polish and other nationalities doing the jobs Irish people didnt want to do in the boom cos they had no cushy welfare system they had to go leave their homes friends and family and start a new life probably not to return home, yes it was their choice but they wanted to work unlike these people, you cant go blaming society for your failings in life its a personal choice, if anyone blame the parents for its upto the parents to send their children out into the world prepared for life, kids dont raise themselves parents should raise them, teach them right from wrong and insure they are educated enough to hopefully go on to college or train in some field but not to allow them to just leave school without any plans in place, and well maybe this should be used by other parents as a template for how things can go wrong for you in life if you dont stick it out in school and apply yourself and look at the bigger picture, in such a short time for learning it can and will determin the rest of your life. its not a time for sitting back and hoping that its finished soon so you can go out and have fun with your friends,

marysirish

spankmemunkey wrote: »

I still dont agree with the majority of what you say, are you telling me that the entire population of ballybeg werent walking around in PJ's during the Celtic Tiger years and were actaully walking around instead with suits and briefcases? all wishing each other good morning on their rush to the stock exchange? Oh i must have missed that so! and the cars the burnt out cars they were also maybe their work transport that other bad people maybe Immigrants? they came in and stole their cars and burnt them out?

3 percent of the population not working are EXACTLY these type of people, BONE IDLE dont want to work dont NEED to work its all handed to them, send them to Poland to work for 4 euro an hour on a 49 hour a week shift in a meat processing plant sweeping the floor, They would never do that, yet we have Polish and other nationalities doing the jobs Irish people didnt want to do in the boom cos they had no cushy welfare system they had to go leave their homes friends and family and start a new life probably not to return home, yes it was their choice but they wanted to work unlike these people, you cant go blaming society for your failings in life its a personal choice, if anyone blame the parents for its upto the parents to send their children out into the world prepared for life, kids dont raise themselves parents should raise them, teach them right from wrong and insure they are educated enough to hopefully go on to college or train in some field but not to allow them to just leave school without any plans in place, and well maybe this should be used by other parents as a template for how things can go wrong for you in life if you dont stick it out in school and apply yourself and look at the bigger picture, in such a short time for learning it can and will determin the rest of your life. its not a time for sitting back and hoping that its finished soon so you can go out and have fun with your friends,

I do agree with what you said in your last comment, but don't put everyone down that live in Ballybeg because I come from there myself and me and my hole family have always worked hard we had to other wise there was no food on the table and my father worked nearly 18 hours a day and yes that is long, he is a good man and also the other families living there have also worked really hard, it is only in the last few years that this has changed.So don't put people down if you don't know anything about them.

spankmemunkey

marysirish wrote: »

I do agree with what you said in your last comment, but don't put everyone down that live in Ballybeg because I come from there myself and me and my hole family have always worked hard we had to other wise there was no food on the table and my father worked nearly 18 hours a day and yes that is long, he is a good man and also the other families living there have also worked really hard, it is only in the last few years that this has changed.So don't put people down if you don't know anything about them.

No im not speaking about everybody there! i meant the people who were on the show and walking round in a leisurely manner watching life go by

araic88

spankmemunkey wrote: »

I still dont agree with the majority of what you say, are you telling me that the entire population of ballybeg werent walking around in PJ's during the Celtic Tiger years

You're insinuating that everybody was?? Really???

Hootanany

What did he do for 18 hours a day.

spankmemunkey

araic88 wrote: »

You're insinuating that everybody was?? Really???

Sorry obviously the entire population werent walking around in PJ's i just meant the people who were and these tossers on the show!

araic88

spankmemunkey wrote: »

Sorry obviously the entire population werent walking around in PJ's i just meant the people who were and these tossers on the show!

The power of words

Apparently that young mother works in a cafe in Ardkeen? i presume if that's true then it's part time or a new thing, that she wasn't when it was being filmed, or else the show was just seriously edited down!!

marysirish

Hootanany wrote: »

What did he do for 18 hours a day.

My father got up in the morning early and done his newspaper rounds and then he went to his second job delivering products all over Ireland, and sometimes he wouldn't get home till 10 or 11 o'clock and night, then he would be up again at 4 to do it all over again. What does he get for his thanks and for paying his tax all those years €65 a week. My father made sure that we had food on the table and that we had with every birthday presents and also with every Christmas and everything, we weren't rich but we never done without anything and then you see things like this on the TV I just hope my father and all those other people who worked hard for a living were watching it.

mcko

This is not about Ballybeg it's about a certain class who do feck all and want everything, the Brits call them the underclass as they are below working class.
I was in Lidel at 20.40 this evening and their was a group of kids hanging around, the eldest was about 12 and the youngest was 6 or 7. I could not believe it on a school night.
Parnents don't give a pooh.

decies

Could have done with less effin language , standards have dropped so much apparently in this country of ours !!!

Dick phelan

Ah god that was quite bad gave the view that everyone in Ballybeg is on the feckin dole that young one giveing out about being in areers why the hell does she need a bloody sky box for, n the other lad who was in jail sayin there's a curse on Ballybeg, ye and its people like him going around robbing houses, the good part of the show was the 19 year old in the youth centre guy trying to get himself into collage and seemed to be trying to do something with himself fair play to him n wish the lad well but i think they could have balanced it out by interviewing a few older people who are employed and hard working

sparkling sea

mcko wrote: »

This is not about Ballybeg it's about a certain class who do feck all and want everything, the Brits call them the underclass as they are below working class.

Enough said - "the Brits " as you call them, didn't coin the term underclass.

ballybegkid

The show interviewed other people who were informed that they didn't have enough problems to be shown? What a joke that is. And others who were success stories pulled out such as an underage international footballer and an inspirational youth leader of many years in the community!

wmpdd3

I just watched it, it got slated by the lads in work, I thought it was pretty OK for TV3, I thought it would be alot worse. I wouldn't call it balanced by a long shot but it was passable.


Odd how they only mentioned the boxing club as a venue to watch a match.

I didnt like watching the young girl and her daughter, I know I wasnt ready to have kids at 20 and I know parenting alone is one of the hardest jobs in the world. It felt a bit MTV mum or whatever its called. The story reminded me alot of Pajama Girls.

http://www.rte.ie/ten/2012/0313/girlsp.html

I won't comment on the girls way of life as she is well aware of whats expected of her, it looks like her mum has been telling her for long enough.


Just wonder why they picked Ballybeg, I can think better stories from some of the estates in Limerick or Dublin.

ziedth

wmpdd3 wrote: »

Just wonder why they picked Ballybeg, I can think better stories from some of the estates in Limerick or Dublin.

that is a very good question

Speak Now

ziedth wrote: »

that is a very good question

Then we'd be in a different thread asking why not Waterford

Deise Vu

Just a minor point but how come the jailbird speaks with a Rubber Bandit accent? If I'd had to guess where he was from the last place I would have thought was Waterford. Is this some kind of defence mechanism you have to adopt when in jail? (not that I have any immediate plans for going to jail but times are tough you never know....)

spankmemunkey

Theres a couple of themes here.

1. Parents have alot of answering to do.
2. They(TV3) were merely sensationalising to get viewer numbers.


I presume the people who took part in this show had some sort of counsel from TV3 before the show aired explaining to them the consequences of appearing on such a show and the likes.

Also i dont want to have a go at anybody involved in the show too much as we are only getting a snippet of their lives and im sure the show was edited to look a certain way and stir up public emotion.