'Enough is Enough' - Lance Armstrong

NIMAN · 26-01-2013 12:44pm

No

Flandria wrote: »

Never failed a test...

Is this a serious response or a wind-up?

Ash.J.Williams · 26-01-2013 1:06pm

The only thing lance is on is his bike 6 hours a day, busting his ass, what are you on?

tfrancer · 26-01-2013 1:18pm

Beasty wrote: »

Why? There have been 11 votes of "No" since Oprah made it clear that Armstrong had confessed. It's a public vote and not that difficult to work out who they are. 1 vote in well over a thousand is not going to change anything so far as the poll is concerned - do you really think there's going to be a late surge with the No catching the Yes vote? The real piss taking will be if someone actually starts posting that they still believe he is innocent.

Yes, "innocent" is a nice black-or-white word like "guilty", or "liar" or "cheat" or "hero" or "Paul Kimmage". Life is much less complicated without those inconvenient shades of grey in between.

Lusk Doyle · 26-01-2013 1:59pm

No

Beasty wrote: »

Why? There have been 11 votes of "No" since Oprah made it clear that Armstrong had confessed. It's a public vote and not that difficult to work out who they are. 1 vote in well over a thousand is not going to change anything so far as the poll is concerned - do you really think there's going to be a late surge with the No catching the Yes vote? The real piss taking will be if someone actually starts posting that they still believe he is innocent.

Why? Because it's a joke that people are still voting no after the man has confessed. The poll no longer has a purpose. Who they are is of no concern to me. I'm also not concerned with a surge in no votes overtaking the yes. It's not a competition.

It's akin to people denying the holocaust. Not on scale, etc. We all know it happened. End of. To keep the poll open simply invites stupidity and provocation to a closed case.

DellyBelly · 26-01-2013 2:07pm

Comparing the holocust to the Lance Armstrong story...I mean come on. I know this thread is on doping but that is got to be the dopeiest comment yet

Lusk Doyle · 26-01-2013 2:11pm

No

DellyBelly wrote: »

Comparing the holocust to the Lance Armstrong story...I mean come on. I know this thread is on doping but that is got to be the dopeiest comment yet

That's not what I said actually. Read my comment again. What I said was that saying he didn't dope is clearly not correct. I said that it's akin to denying the holocaust not that it's the same as. Both are fact and cant be denied. Don't misconstrue or twist my words.

donfers · 26-01-2013 2:12pm

No

during the armstrong era, most of the top cyclists were dopers so I have two questions

1. does armstrong deserve "credit" (not sure if it's the rigth word) for being best of the dopers or is it a case that he was just making the most effective use of the doping technology and thus even had an advantage over other dopers

2. I know there has been some speculation on this but during the armstrong era, was there any top 10 or top 15 regular gc rider who is widely regarded as being a non-doper, sastre?

Lusk Doyle · 26-01-2013 2:13pm

No

donfers wrote: »

during the armstrong era, most of the top cyclists were dopers so I have two questions

1. does armstrong deserve "credit" (not sure if it's the rigth word) for being best of the dopers or is it a case that he was just making the most effective use of the doping technology and thus even had an advantage over other dopers

2. I know there has been some speculation on this but during the armstrong era, was there any top 10 or top 15 regular gc rider who is widely regarded as being a non-doper, sastre?

Illegal activities should never be credited.

Hermy · 26-01-2013 2:34pm

No

donfers wrote: »

during the armstrong era, most of the top cyclists were dopers so I have two questions

It might be more accurate to say that most of the riders winning races were dopers. Sadly we'll never know for sure who the top riders would have been had the sport been clean.

Fr D Maugire · 26-01-2013 3:26pm

No

donfers wrote: »

during the armstrong era, most of the top cyclists were dopers so I have two questions

1. does armstrong deserve "credit" (not sure if it's the rigth word) for being best of the dopers or is it a case that he was just making the most effective use of the doping technology and thus even had an advantage over other dopers

2. I know there has been some speculation on this but during the armstrong era, was there any top 10 or top 15 regular gc rider who is widely regarded as being a non-doper, sastre?

Does Armstrong deserve credit for having the best doping regime? Hell no.

In 1999 Armstrong took advantage of the fact that a lot of guy's were a little scared of the authorities after the previous year's Festina affair. It was widely believed that a lot of guys came to the 99 Tour fully loaded but Armstrong was one of the few who continued doping throughout the Tour judging by the retested 99 samples.

I posted this out earlier but after one Tour win, Armstrong was valued at $7million, didn't do commercial deals for less than a $1million and charged $100,000 for an hour of his time. Most of his rivals would have been on contract's between $100-500k pa.(5 appearences for Lance) I think he had a clear advantage on ensuring the best product's and service thereafter.

The answer to No 2 is that the only rider we know who ever finished in the Top 15 and was considered clean was David Moncoutie who finished 13th one year during the Lance era.

Doping so distorted things that we will never know who the best was. We just know that in his first 4 Tours, Lance did very little in term's of being a contender and even up until he got cancer, did not believe he had the talent to be a Tour contender.

tfrancer · 26-01-2013 3:30pm

Lusk Doyle wrote: »

Illegal activities should never be credited.

What do you mean by "illegal activities"? Normally this would refer to breaches of national or state laws but many forms of doping are or were not unlawful in many if not most countries. If you mean activities contrary to the rules of a particular sport, then you are quite correct.

Captain Havoc · 26-01-2013 3:52pm

tfrancer wrote: »

What do you mean by "illegal activities"? Normally this would refer to breaches of national or state laws but many forms of doping are or were not unlawful in many if not most countries. If you mean activities contrary to the rules of a particular sport, then you are quite correct.

In a lot of countries it is fraudulent to influence the outcome of an event, including by doping.

Lusk Doyle · 26-01-2013 4:50pm

No

tfrancer wrote: »

What do you mean by "illegal activities"? Normally this would refer to breaches of national or state laws but many forms of doping are or were not unlawful in many if not most countries. If you mean activities contrary to the rules of a particular sport, then you are quite correct.

I meant what I said.

Phil Liggett · 26-01-2013 5:56pm

RobFowl wrote: »

In all seriousness can this poll be closed? I mean he has actually admitted it himself at this stage so its a fact rather than speculation.....

Unless the UCI, WADA, USADA, Paul Kimmage, David Walsh, Betsy Andreau, Emma O Reilly, the entire cycling and international press and even Lance Armstrong are in fact lying.....

I still believe in Lance, even if Lance doesn't.

Live strong.

RebelRed90 · 26-01-2013 5:59pm

No

I voted Yes.

G2ECE · 26-01-2013 8:43pm

No

tfrancer wrote: »

What do you mean by "illegal activities"? Normally this would refer to breaches of national or state laws but many forms of doping are or were not unlawful in many if not most countries. If you mean activities contrary to the rules of a particular sport, then you are quite correct.

Jaysus! does it even matter, he is a fraud. He has perjured himself and I hope he is locked up, in particular for what he said about Emma O'Reilly and Betsy Andreu. Not sure if what he did to Greg Lemond was illegal but he deserves punishing for that also aswell as Bassons and Simeoni...... the list is feckin endless!

el tel · 26-01-2013 9:19pm

No

Just wondering, was doping or the other activities admitted by LA illegal in France at the time? If so, could this prevent him from returning there?

I'd really love to see him in the Euskaltel-Euskadi colours. Preferably in the form of a prison jumpsuit.

Fr D Maugire · 26-01-2013 9:38pm

No

I hope anyone who thinks Armstrong was unfairly treated or that the authorities went to extra lengths to catch him are following this.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/team-blanco-investigate-luis-leon-sanchezs-links-to-operacion-puerto

LL Sanchez is being investigated by his current team because journalist's THINK he might be the NICK-NAME 'Huerta' that appeared in the Puerto files 8 years ago!!!

No, no, it is only Armstrong that has to endure that kind of witch-hunt;)

Lumen · 26-01-2013 9:44pm

Fr D Maugire wrote: »

LL Sanchez is being investigated by his current team because journalist's THINK he might be the NICK-NAME 'Huerta' that appeared in the Puerto files 8 years ago!!!

More detail here.

The evidence as reported seems quite damning.

lennymc · 26-01-2013 10:00pm

No

Ciarán_R wrote: »

bitches be crazy man.

but they dont be fat

jimm · 27-01-2013 12:08am

No

I thought Tubbs had got the scoop of the century when I clicked this: http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10105475/

Captain Havoc · 27-01-2013 12:35am

jimm wrote: »

I thought Tubbs had got the scoop of the century when I clicked this: http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10105475/

I don't think LA wants to speak to another Irish person again, ever!!!!!!!!

jimm · 27-01-2013 12:52am

No

Captain Havoc wrote: »

I don't think LA wants to speak to another Irish person again, ever!!!!!!!!

Walsh hinted at a possible interview with him, maybe being part of the Sunday Times settlement of their case to recoup the libel money.

Captain Havoc · 27-01-2013 1:14am

jimm wrote: »

Walsh hinted at a possible interview with him, maybe being part of the Sunday Times settlement of their case to recoup the libel money.

Yeah, I saw that alright, could you imagine if he invited Paul Kimmage along for the craic? I don't think LA'd be smirking during that interview.

RoverZT · 27-01-2013 1:55am

Captain Havoc wrote: »

During his career, Lance Armstrong took more drug tests than every other athlete in the world combined and never tested positive: FACT!!

You have to admire that man, he is beyond cool.

Alot of people hate him, even though I should too, I don't.

His self belief is incredible.

He would make a great actor, has awesome screen presence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxnqHvEbGnc

Lumen · 27-01-2013 9:31am

RoverZT wrote: »

He would make a great actor

Have you seen the Doprah interview? He was hopeless.

elduggo · 27-01-2013 9:49am

Fr D Maugire wrote: »

I hope anyone who thinks Armstrong was unfairly treated or that the authorities went to extra lengths to catch him are following this.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/team-blanco-investigate-luis-leon-sanchezs-links-to-operacion-puerto

LL Sanchez is being investigated by his current team because journalist's THINK he might be the NICK-NAME 'Huerta' that appeared in the Puerto files 8 years ago!!!

No, no, it is only Armstrong that has to endure that kind of witch-hunt;)

very naive and ill-informed comment.

Capt'n Midnight · 27-01-2013 4:01pm

No

Ciarán_R wrote: »

he beat the **** out of cancer with just pure willpower!
his charity has done loads for cancer research!
he's a walking miracles
awesome athlete
over 9000 drug tests and never failed
on his bike 6 hours day
cleaner than new snow
everyone's just jealous, bitches be crazy man.

you forgot Heart of a moose, lungs of a hippo.

kumate_champ07 · 27-01-2013 4:13pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

you forgot Heart of a moose, lungs of a hippo.

and horsepower of(f) a Ferrari

Donelson · 27-01-2013 5:36pm

No

RoverZT wrote: »

You have to admire that man, he is beyond cool.

Alot of people hate him, even though I should too, I don't.

His self belief is incredible.

He would make a great actor, has awesome screen presence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxnqHvEbGnc

No lights, No Hi-vis, No Helmet! who does he think he is! F**king ninja cyclest! :pac:

'Enough is Enough' - Lance Armstrong

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