'Enough is Enough' - Lance Armstrong

Hermy

No

vetinari wrote: »

However, I have to admit that the entire witch hunt by the USADA did leave me feeling quite uneasy.

There is NO witch hunt. The only reason we have arrived at this juncture is because Lance Armstrong is guilty of doping and USADA have done their job and proved this to be the case.

andyman

No

Lance is as guilty as sin, but nobody can deny that this is a witch-hunt.

Also, the USADA has Floyd Landis as one of their eye-witnesses. The amount of lies that man told and the amount of money he took off his own fans to make his case, only for him to admit cheating years later, makes him a very discreditable witness because he could be seen as nothing but bitter. Landis was always renowned for being a bitter man.

Monty Burnz

No

corny wrote: »

Can i post a link to the leaked 2010 list then as a response?

The list can be found here. Amusingly, on a scale of 0 (no suspicion of doping) to 10 (very strong suspicion), Lance Armstrong comes in with a '4'... :eek: and Frank Schleck - booted out of this year's TDF - gets a '2'.

Reekwind

No

andyman wrote: »

Lance is as guilty as sin, but nobody can deny that this is a witch-hunt

I think a lot of people in this thread don't quite grasp the meaning of the term "witch-hunt"

mcgratheoin

No

andyman wrote: »

Landis was always renowned for being a bitter man.

Source please :rolleyes:

corny

No

mcgratheoin wrote: »

Source please :rolleyes:

Lance Armstrong… It’s not about the bike: My Journey Back to Life…

petethedrummer

No

andyman wrote: »

Lance is as guilty as sin, but nobody can deny that this is a witch-hunt.

Also, the USADA has Floyd Landis as one of their eye-witnesses. The amount of lies that man told and the amount of money he took off his own fans to make his case, only for him to admit cheating years later, makes him a very discreditable witness because he could be seen as nothing but bitter. Landis was always renowned for being a bitter man.

I think Ross tucker put it best........

The problem is, if you choose to believe Armstrong, that it's a witch-hunt, then you are also a conspiracy theorist, because the only way you can explain all the witnesses who are willing to testify is to say that they are part of a massive conspiracy against him. One that spans the Atlantic Ocean, includes former team-mates, journalists, doctors, administrators, soigneurs, strangers and mechanics. A few people are "easy" to dismiss - Landis and Hamilton are not credible, that's easy. But if USADA had ten more lined up, it becomes more and more difficult to dismiss.

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2012/08/the-armstrong-fallout-thoughts-and.html

You had a go at discrediting Landis but can you discredit any of the other witnesses....particularly George Hincapie. Seems Armstrong didn't think he could and threw in the towel.

Flandria

No

Sounds like someone donated a Euro too many to the Fairness For Floyd Fund

Raam

No

Flandria wrote: »

Sounds like someone donated a Euro too many to the Fairness For Floyd Fund

Everyone got paid back by the court. Floyd now has to pay as much as he can back to the court or risk fines and a sentence.

Nisio

No

Is boards.ie implicated in distributing epo. What does this mean for those in boardsie. Jersies?

Dermot Illogical

No

^^^

Battery needs charging or that alarm will never work.

CardinalJ

No

Mind boggling that just under 4% people think he didn't dope at all.

hardCopy

No

CardinalJ wrote: »

Mind boggling that just under 4% people think he didn't dope at all.

Common sense is remarkably uncommon

Beasty

No

CardinalJ wrote: »

Mind boggling that just under 4% people think he didn't dope at all.

Of the 14 who have voted so far for that option, only 1 is a regular in the forum, another admitted to selecting the wrong option and many of the others have little or no posting history in the Cycling forum. It may well be that the vote has been swayed as a lot of those posters may not be particularly informed on the subject, one or two may simply be mischief-making and Fat Finger Syndrome seems to be at play also;)

dermur

No

hardCopy wrote: »

Common sense is remarkably uncommon

I'm hoping that that 4% represents Lance's army of web crawlers.

Otherwise I'm losing faith in civilisation.

mloc123

I see he is on twitter organising some lance laps. How many thousand will show up?

Raam

No

Equally perplexing is the number that still think he is great.

Monty Burnz

No

Beasty wrote: »

Of the 14 who have voted so far for that option, only 1 is a regular in the forum, another admitted to selecting the wrong option and many of the others have little or no posting history in the Cycling forum. It may well be that the vote has been swayed as a lot of those posters may not be particularly informed on the subject, one or two may simply be mischief-making and Fat Finger Syndrome seems to be at play also;)

Also, in any vote, some people get a thrill out of voting the opposite of everybody else. If you had a referendum where people had a choice of 'leave the booth alive' or 'be gassed right now', you'd still get nearly 5% going for the latter.

CardinalJ

No

Beasty wrote: »

Of the 14 who have voted so far for that option, only 1 is a regular in the forum, another admitted to selecting the wrong option and many of the others have little or no posting history in the Cycling forum. It may well be that the vote has been swayed as a lot of those posters may not be particularly informed on the subject, one or two may simply be mischief-making and Fat Finger Syndrome seems to be at play also;)

Name the 1 regular!!! Surely you can dish out a ban for that.....?

hardCopy

No

Beasty wrote: »

CardinalJ wrote: »

Mind boggling that just under 4% people think he didn't dope at all.

Of the 14 who have voted so far for that option, only 1 is a regular in the forum, another admitted to selecting the wrong option and many of the others have little or no posting history in the Cycling forum. It may well be that the vote has been swayed as a lot of those posters may not be particularly informed on the subject, one or two may simply be mischief-making and Fat Finger Syndrome seems to be at play also;)

My last post originally read:

"Misclicks, trolls and people who don't follow cycling"

I thought it would be inflammatory so I changed it.

Mods can put things so much more eloquently.

corny

No

May have seen this one but i thought it was funny.

vetinari

Reekwind wrote: »

I think a lot of people in this thread don't quite grasp the meaning of the term "witch-hunt"

In a technical sense, witch hunt is about the best words I can think for it. Guilty or not guilty, an athlete is almost certainly going to be found guilty by USADA arbitration. (Again, I do believe that Lance doped)

Someone mentioned that the evidence will be published at some point. It'll be interesting to see it.

Beasty

No

I guess it's a witch hunt if you accept the premise that Lance is a witch. Alternatively you could call it a Lance hunt. Either way, they caught him ...

Capt'n Midnight

No

Beasty wrote: »

I guess it's a witch hunt if you accept the premise that Lance is a witch. Alternatively you could call it a Lance hunt. Either way, they caught him ...

The whole point about a witch hunt is that witches don't exist because magic isn't real.

By definition a witch hunt is finding people guilty of a crime that doesn't exist. ie. the verdict has been decided before the hunt.

Bollbill

No

It's sad that a charity that does so much good is built on a lie.

hardCopy

No

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Beasty wrote: »

I guess it's a witch hunt if you accept the premise that Lance is a witch. Alternatively you could call it a Lance hunt. Either way, they caught him ...

The whole point about a witch hunt is that witches don't exist because magic isn't real.

By definition a witch hunt is finding people guilty of a crime that doesn't exist. ie. the verdict has been decided before the hunt.

Throw him in a pond, if he floats, he's a witch!

lennymc

No

does lance weigh the same as a duck?

lennymc

No

hardCopy wrote: »

Throw him in a pond, if he floats, he's a witch!

great minds think alike.

Nih!

hardCopy

No

lennymc wrote: »

hardCopy wrote: »

Throw him in a pond, if he floats, he's a witch!

great minds think alike.

Nih!

NERD!

furiousox

No

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!