'Enough is Enough' - Lance Armstrong

check_six

From that Independent piece: "Right now people are talking about Lance but there has not been any new test or anything," Alberto Contador

So, Bertie, maybe a rider should only be deemed to be guilty of doping if there is a positive test?
And maybe not even then...?

CramCycle

Yes, but he's still great

ednwireland wrote: »

I always thought it was generally accepted that if your in a hospital (or been treated by an ambulance crew) they can inject. i always understood the no needles policy was from a teams doctor's points of view, so no saline, no vitamins, no blood transfusions, no cortisone, no epo etc etc. anyway thats what i understood by a no needles policy

Don't tell TeamType1 :eek:

drogdub

No

check_six wrote: »

From that Independent piece: "Right now people are talking about Lance but there has not been any new test or anything," Alberto Contador

So, Bertie, maybe a rider should only be deemed to be guilty of doping if there is a positive test?
And maybe not even then...?

I am starting to think that the spanish riders genuinly dont understand that doping is wrong, they actually dont compute the concept. Seems to be part of that countries sporting culture. More so than any other country.

ROK ON

No

Maybe Spanish folk are simply more pragmatic.

I mean as a society we have tried to ban lots of stuff. The success rate of bans is not good:
Drugs
Alcohol
Prostitution
Pornography

How successful has society been in banning any of these activities.
Maybe drug taking in sports is simply a subset of drug taking in general?

noddy69

No

drogdub wrote: »

I am starting to think that the spanish riders genuinly dont understand that doping is wrong, they actually dont compute the concept. Seems to be part of that countries sporting culture. More so than any other country.

I know what you mean. They rode the Vuelta from the front with drips hanging out of their arms, so obvious yet not a hint from the press of suspision. Nothing is gonna change in cycling with the same problems being ignored by an incompetent and some would say complicit UCI and a peleton who say nothing about the current problems. It is so obvious yet all you hear from the peleton is the problems are in the past blah blah blah.

Omerta is alive and well without Lance.

MPFG

No

So disappointed with Contador....he is such a talented cyclist but obviously sees no problem in doping whatsoever...a true shame

As for Vino leading Astana next year ......don't think it should be allowed...imagine he blood doped with his uncles blood ! Yikes how weird , shades of Deliverance. Didn't McQuaid say on Monday that from May 2011 you could not get a licence to mangae/train if you were a drug cheat ...so how did Vino get one ???/

As for Valverde .....well I never liked him....his hair plugs and designer stuble is enough to but me right off

Must say Wiggans was well turned out today (liked his coat) but looked decidely uncomfortable next to Contador

noddy69

No

MPFG wrote: »

So disappointed with Contador....he is such a talented cyclist but obviously sees no problem in doping whatsoever...a true shame

As for Vino leading Astana next year ......don't think it should be allowed...imagine he blood doped with his uncles blood ! Yikes how weird , shades of Deliverance. Didn't McQuaid say on Monday that from May 2011 you could not get a licence to mangae/train if you were a drug cheat ...so how did Vino get one ???/

As for Valverde .....well I never liked him....his hair plugs and designer stuble is enough to but me right off

Must say Wiggans was well turned out today (liked his coat) but looked decidely uncomfortable next to Contador

Because it was not a back dated sanction, it is in place from the time it begins therefore red vino in his veins gets in. Sure wouldnt all the jobs for the old brigade be gone if those licences went, probably a legal issue involved too but I 'm all for conspiricy theory

MPFG

No

I wish UCI would re visit the licences.... there are so many shades of grey to this situation

Those who doped, were caught and admitted and were punished ..eg David Millar...( are no evangelical about anti-doping)
Those who were never caught, but admitted to doping and go limited punished in comparison ....e.g so many of the Garmin team
Those who were caught, punished but deny it..Contador, Vino
Those who were never caught, deny it but there is now evidence they doped ....Armstrong
Those who were never caught but there may be evidence yet to come out that they did dope ......
Those who never caught but as of the USADA case have in the aftermath admitted to doping but have/will lose there jobs ......White
Those who were seriously associated with shady doctors .....
Those may have doped over 20 years ago but now support moving on and forgettign the past

How far back could one go with this ??? Maybe there needs to be a statute of limations of investigating doping

corny

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Have to say the reaction of the Spaniards is not unexpected. If you watch La Liga or any of their sports you'll know they have absolutely no problems with cheating. If i told you how i really felt about that you'd call me a racist but suffice it say in a strictly sporting sense they're deplorable people.

I'm with a previous poster, thats enough Sean Kelly and Dave Harmon for me. The whole things about money and not sport.

morana

No

corny wrote: »

Have to say the reaction of the Spaniards is not unexpected. If you watch La Liga or any of their sports you'll know they have absolutely no problems with cheating. If i told you how i really felt about that you'd call me a racist but suffice it say in a strictly sporting sense they're deplorable people.

I'm with a previous poster, thats enough Sean Kelly and Dave Harmon for me. The whole things about money and not sport.

Harmon is a fool. the day the document was released he said on the tour of beijing. " he didnt read it" The biggest scandal in sporting history I would say and he comes up with that crap.

funnights74

No

Emily o' Reilly is on the Craig Doyle show tomorrow night, not sure what to expect from him as regards decent questions but hopefully it will be worth a watch.

2 Wheels Good

No

funnights74 wrote: »

Emily o' Reilly is on the Craig Doyle show tomorrow night, not sure what to expect from him as regards decent questions but hopefully it will be worth a watch.

You're a week late, it was on last Thursday - RTE Player

morana

No

2 Wheels Good wrote: »

You're a week late, it was on last Thursday - RTE Player

and it wasnt great.They edited it heavily. We only seen the stokes goatee for a few secs

The tax man

No

funnights74 wrote: »

Emily o' Reilly is on the Craig Doyle show tomorrow night, not sure what to expect from him as regards decent questions but hopefully it will be worth a watch.

Edit:Beaten to it.

drogdub

No

The tax man wrote: »

That was last Thursday,it's up on the RTE player if you missed it. Sadly Shane Stokes didn't get much air time,as he said himself, heavily edited.
Emma O'Reilly BTW.;)

More of a Betsie man myself

Dietsquirt

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Chips Lovell

No

@dietsquirt

I've deleted your post. Could you please familiarise yourself with the forum charter. You cannot say that people are doping without providing supporting evidence.

Cienciano

No

drogdub wrote: »

I am starting to think that the spanish riders genuinly dont understand that doping is wrong, they actually dont compute the concept. Seems to be part of that countries sporting culture. More so than any other country.

It's the same with football. I've heard a few spanish journalists on off the ball over the years, they have the idea that if you can get away with it, it's ok. It's the ref's job to spot it. Seems the same here. Doping is fine as long as you're not caught.

petethedrummer

No

Obree on Radio 5 live: http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/scotland/sw/sw_20121013-1332a.mp3

corny

No

morana wrote: »

Harmon is a fool. the day the document was released he said on the tour of beijing. " he didnt read it" The biggest scandal in sporting history I would say and he comes up with that crap.

Maybe but i'd say whats more likely is his paymasters (eurosport) don't want him talking **** about something they're trying to sell to the public. Wouldn't be good for business saying cycling is rotten to the core but watch it anyway.;)

2 Wheels Good

No

Greg LeMond open letter to Pat McQuaid/Hein Verbruggen link

MPFG

No

2 Wheels Good wrote: »

Greg LeMond open letter to Pat McQuaid/Hein Verbruggen link

Andrew McQuaid went a bit ballistic on Twitter calling Le Mond a cheater and worse...then deleted the tweet .....must have been under advisement

buffalo

No

MPFG wrote: »

Andrew McQuaid went a bit ballistic on Twitter calling Le Mond a cheater and worse...then deleted the tweet .....must have been under advisement

He said worse than this?

The main concern is not doping'... Really Greg, really? Is that because you, per chance, doped yourself?? #CHEATER

This is the one reason I love Twitter - bypasses all that PR waffle.

brandon_flowers

No

More mud-slinging than the US Presidential Election.

Must. Get. Popcorn.

ThisRegard

No

Screenshot of said tweet posted in the other thread

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81420108&postcount=121

Cienciano

No

MPFG wrote: »

Andrew McQuaid went a bit ballistic on Twitter calling Le Mond a cheater and worse...then deleted the tweet .....must have been under advisement

Of the McQuaids I can see on twitter (Andrew, Gary and Darach McQuaid) none have said anything about Lance Armstrong. It's like it never happened. Darach and Gary still have livestrong banners on their pictures ffs.
Same with Stephen Roche, it's as if the biggest story in the history of cycling didn't happen.
Sorry lads, ignoring this won't make it go away

ratracer

If all the cyclists throughout the world followed Greg Lemond's advice and:

"Don't buy a USA Cycling license. Give up racing for a year, just long enough to put the UCI and USA cycling out of business. We can then start from scratch and let the real lovers in cycling direct where and how the sport of cycling will go."

where will that leave Irish cycling? This isn't a cynical trolling message. I'm not fully conversant in the relationship between the UCI and CI, I gathered from the TG4 docu on Ras Tailteann that there is a bit of fractious history there. Can anyone shed any light? i.e how much of the race licence fee in Ireland goes to the UCI, if any?

marienbad

No

buffalo wrote: »

He said worse than this?



This is the one reason I love Twitter - bypasses all that PR waffle.

And these people are suing Kimmage for slander !!

MPFG

No

Pierre Rolland is all for getting rid of 'all the rotten apples on the tree' from cycling ...all those who doped out of the sport ...think the French are with the new world....and I have high hopes for the Italians afer the current investigation is unearthed

But the Spanish and some Belgians/Dutch ........no so sure if they are really up for cleaning up cycling once and for all

MPFG

No

LIke this one

http://mrjohnclarke.com/media/post/board-member-of-v-i-a-l/