Irish Traction Group

DannyGrey

flyingsnail wrote: »

I think that on pretty much every forum, if your one and only post is to advertise something it just automatically gets considered as spam.

I think its totally unfair to remove Peter Jones post at the end of the day how else will non members of the ITG get to hear about things other than these kind of forums


What i would like to ask is why did the ITG not put the same message on their own website i found that a bit strange

Losty Dublin

DannyGrey wrote: »

I think its totally unfair to remove Peter Jones post at the end of the day how else will non members of the ITG get to hear about things other than these kind of forums


What i would like to ask is why did the ITG not put the same message on their own website i found that a bit strange

I appreciate what you are saying but it was a one off post and from a new account. Posts like that on fora tent to be frowned upon so I'd understand from that end of it if it was deleted.

Victor

steamengine wrote: »

Where did the new ITG thread go ?

An admin deleted it as spam. It is now inserted above.

Cookie_Monster

steamengine wrote: »

I would have thought there was a distinction to be made between a company per se and a railway enthusiast association. Perhaps Victor can throw some light on it.

why should the ITG or RPSI get free advertising from boards, when no one else does? Ads are ads regardless of what they're for and shouldn't be tolerated without verification and payment for it.

steamengine

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

why should the ITG or RPSI get free advertising from boards, when no one else does? Ads are ads regardless of what they're for and shouldn't be tolerated without verification and payment for it.

I'll leave that one for boards to decide, my query was basically why the thread had disappeared, and that has been answered adequately.

CaptainFreedom

Judgement Day wrote: »

Why? Here's my membership card bet despite your claims you can't produce your one.

Produce your current one :pac:

Judgement Day

I'm an ex.railway enthusiast so why should I have a current membership card?

Losty Dublin

Judgement Day wrote: »

I'm an ex.railway enthusiast so why should I have a current memberhship card?

Does that mean you used to be an enthusiast, you currently enthuse over ex railways or you have a grá for railways that your ex worked on?

CaptainFreedom

Judgement Day wrote: »

I'm an ex.railway enthusiast so why should I have a current memberhship card?

Just means your a bitter begrudger and have zero right to comment

Judgement Day

CaptainFreedom wrote: »

Just means your a bitter begrudger and have zero right to comment

You're so full of crap.

CaptainFreedom

Judgement Day wrote: »

You're so full of crap.

Gotta do better than that me oul flower

Judgement Day

You seem to know about everybody and everything why not start a thread recounting your railway experiences? :rolleyes:

CaptainFreedom

Judgement Day wrote: »

You seem to know about everybody and everything why not start a thread recounting your railway experiences? :rolleyes:

I wont waste my time playing with you anymore, but feel free to start your own thread. As Im sure you know, nobody cares really

hiddenagenda

Judgement Day wrote: »

You seem to know about everybody and everything why not start a thread recounting your railway experiences? :rolleyes:

You going to the October exhibition Ed?

steamengine

CaptainFreedom wrote: »

I wont waste my time playing with you anymore, but feel free to start your own thread. As Im sure you know, nobody cares really

I wouldn't be so sure - the thread is 2 years old and got 15 thanks on the first post.

Victor

CaptainFreedom wrote: »

Just means your a bitter begrudger and have zero right to comment

Judgement Day wrote: »

You're so full of crap.

Keep it constructive please.

hiddenagenda wrote: »

You going to the October exhibition Ed?

I'll refer you to the rules you agreed to when you signed up, which include not speculating on users' identities.

Moderator

DannyGrey

ITG are doing a diesel day at Downpatrick this Saturday if anyone is planning a trip up that day and wanted photos from the land near the track dont bother as i have just got a nasty email from them saying that Downpatrick have never allowed trackside photos .I dont think this is true as i have saw photos online.

I dont really care about the nasty email just glad i found out about taken photos from near the track before i went to the expense of getting up from Wicklow for the day

gobnaitolunacy

DannyGrey wrote: »

ITG are doing a diesel day at Downpatrick this Saturday if anyone is planning a trip up that day and wanted photos from the land near the track dont bother as i have just got a nasty email from them saying that Downpatrick have never allowed trackside photos .I dont think this is true as i have saw photos online.

I dont really care about the nasty email just glad i found out about taken photos from near the track before i went to the expense of getting up from Wicklow for the day

Not exactly 'trackside' or DCDR property. Sounds like you want to take them from farmers' land?
Otherwise a quiet polite word to someone in charge on the day so they can ascertain you're not a raging lunatic works wonders.

DannyGrey

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Not exactly 'trackside' or DCDR property. Sounds like you want to take them from farmers' land?
Otherwise a quiet polite word to someone in charge on the day so they can ascertain you're not a raging lunatic works wonders.

Thanks for that and i do agree about with you about making sure i am not a raging lunatic but the rules they say are train travel only and plaform photos on the day.

Well thats the thing is i did asked by email to get permission first before i made plans to travel up for the day but got told that there will be no rules for one person like me and then theres rules for others on the day it states no photos from on the track near the track , other than photos from the platforms on the line that day

gobnaitolunacy

DannyGrey wrote: »

Thanks for that and i do agree about with you about making sure i am not a raging lunatic but the rules they say are train travel only and plaform photos on the day.

Well thats the thing is i did asked by email to get permission first before i made plans to travel up for the day but got told that there will be no rules for one person like me and then theres rules for others on the day it states no photos from on the track near the track , other than photos from the platforms on the line that day

Ok, they may have thought it too much trouble to keep tabs on maybe 2 doz folks with cameras on the trackside on a gala day...not unreasonable. It is a working railway after all, with all the H&S that that entails. I'm sorry but if thems the rules, thems the rules.

DannyGrey

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Ok, they may have thought it too much trouble to keep tabs on maybe 2 doz folks with cameras on the trackside on a gala day...not unreasonable. It is a working railway after all, with all the H&S that that entails.

Yes you are right in your reply

The thing is what has changed from the last ITG day i was up that day also but didnt see any problems that day with the others lads, but what i can say is i didnt intend to get lineside photos just wanted a spin behind 146 that time which i most say i really enjoyed wanted to do the opposite this time pity

.I dont THINK the rules could have changed much from then but its like you say rules and H & S

Iolaire

I would imagine there are very valid reasons for not wishing to have people wandering around the tracks. The obvious and over-ruling one is safety and with H&S legislation getting ever stricter (some may say ridiculous) it is understandable that every precaution must be taken. Can you imagine how a volunteer would feel if someone managed to injure or, God forbid, kill themselves purely by being careless while trying to get 'that special shot'? I can assure you it's not a burden I'd want to carry.

Anecdotally, the sad truth is that despite the majority of photographers acting in a safe and responsible manner, a very small number continue to act in a reckless way and in so doing, have more or less scuppered any chance of access of the type you would like. I would say that this is the case at most lines these days.

I'll be there and I hope to enjoy whatever is on offer. Safely of course!

Losty Dublin

Downpatrick has a railway operations licence from the DRD in the North. Certain public safely rules have to be followed under this and this include passengers being restricted to platforms on operational days. Even staff with a valid PTS are not allowed beyond platforms unless they are on duty; those restrictions are there for common sense and not for red taping reasons. Certainly, any days on which I was on duty up there never made any allowances for photographers or filming as a rule and in fairness here I don't see how this case is any different.

Bear in mind that all of the land around Downpatrick are both active farms and gaming land. At the best of times it's not the most suitable locations for one to be wandering around if you wish to chance your arm for a photo; less so if a hunt or farming is going on.

DannyGrey

I will still be heading up as i found out that i can use the land near the railway for photos with full land owners permission .

Which was all i was wanting to do really looking forward to getting photos of 146 in action


Brillant big Thank You to the land owners

Cyberbeagle

Late to the thread, but I see many of the points I would've raised already have been.

I am unaware of any specific emails, nasty or not, from either DCDR or ITG on this issue, but the issues of unregulated access clarified by others are largely correct.

Most lineside photos of the DCDR "out in the countryside" so-to-speak are taken from adjacent land and so we cannot grant access rights to this, as it's not our land. For the most part it would be unsafe to allow access directly on our lines due to clearances, etc., etc.

For those that do get access in and around the station site, for instance the Home Junction, these are usually individuals with prior arrangement and who are escorted by an authorised person. Or they are photos by volunteers who have their PTS cards.

Glad you got sorted DannyGrey, just hope you know which landowners own what adjacent areas, and of course only cross the railway at designated accommodation crossings if so required

DannyGrey

Cyberbeagle wrote: »

Late to the thread, but I see many of the points I would've raised already have been.

I am unaware of any specific emails, nasty or not, from either DCDR or ITG on this issue, but the issues of unregulated access clarified by others are largely correct.

I did get an email it seems its ITG related not to worry

Glad you got sorted DannyGrey, just hope you know which landowners own what adjacent areas, and of course only cross the railway at designated accommodation crossings if so required

Well i hope i have got the right landowners but dont worry i dont plan on getting into trouble for a few photos.

Anyone else that would like to get copy of my photos from Saturday please pm me as it looks like i am going to be the only person to be seen on the land or near the tracks that day as Downpatrick states it very clearly about Saturdays rules that no one will be allowed to acces to the line for lineside photos


I shouldnt be hard to spot as there should be me only out there that day

ard_mhacha

DannyGrey wrote: »

Downpatrick states it very clearly about Saturdays rules that no one will be allowed to acces to the line for lineside photos

Where do they state that?

DannyGrey

ard_mhacha wrote: »

Where do they state that?

In the email i got from the ITG on behalf of Downpatrick.

Are you planning to come there as well for photos if you are mybe we should meet up on Saturday and share where the access points will be to the land, very much looking forward to it .

Well you should know my name its Danny Grey the Wicklow lad can i ask who you are, is it possible for us to meet up at the Mc Donalds there as i will getting the breakfast there after the long drive up that morning.

pm me if you are interested .

Could i ask one thing you did ask where they state that no lineside photos on the day is well its the email i have , do you happen to know something different for that day can i access the line from the railway side then.It would be great if i can do you happen to know if this will be allowed thats why i had said in another post about me being the only person out there on Saturday getting lineside photos and thats why also i was willing to email anyone that would like a copy of them.

Iolaire

DannyGrey wrote: »

Well i hope i have got the right landowners but dont worry i dont plan on getting into trouble for a few photos.

Surely you need to be clear that you have spoken to the correct landowner for access to the land otherwise you could find yourself standing in a field and trespassing, albeit unintentionally? The landowner in question will know if their property is adjacent to the line or not, and where that is. At least you are doing the responsible thing in seeking permission. Just make sure it's the right person you've spoken to, to avoid any ambiguity.

DannyGrey

Iolaire wrote: »

Surely you need to be clear that you have spoken to the correct landowner for access to the land otherwise you could find yourself standing in a field and trespassing, albeit unintentionally? The landowner in question will know if their property is adjacent to the line or not, and where that is. At least you are doing the responsible thing in seeking permission. Just make sure it's the right person you've spoken to, to avoid any ambiguity.

Thanks for that i hope i have as i dont want to get myself or anyone else into any bother on the day just want to enjoy getting the photos of the trains and stay safe which is the most important thing .

Judgement Day

Life used to be so simple.

gobnaitolunacy

Well, there's always a minority of photographers with no cop-on.....

http://youarenotaphotographer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/the-most-dangerous-photo.jpg


http://youarenotaphotographer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/railway.jpg

DannyGrey

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Well, there's always a minority of photographers with no cop-on.....

http://youarenotaphotographer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/the-most-dangerous-photo.jpg


http://youarenotaphotographer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/railway.jpg

Stick to the topic here and why on earth would you put links to this are you ill or something catch a grip and remove the links .

Better still could the mods remove them links makes me sick and angry theres sod all to even find amusing in the links

gobnaitolunacy

Lighten up, bro. It's called humour.

DannyGrey

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Lighten up, bro. It's called humour.

I dont see what the humour is you could have used something else to show some humour

Something like this

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=stupid+train+spotter&start=106&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1920&bih=963&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=dxC17I4G_46ydM:&imgrefurl=http://blog.gusset.co.uk/labels/Photography.shtml&docid=WzleBqcCJFGHbM&imgurl=http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/imageBank/p/police.low2.jpg&w=480&h=360&ei=Q9V_UKvtMvPY4QTFroDwBg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=397&sig=102863105369118672699&page=3&tbnh=129&tbnw=183&ndsp=52&ved=1t:429,r:56,s:100,i:172&tx=111&ty=45

DannyGrey

DannyGrey wrote: »

I dont see what the humour is you could have used something else to show some humour

Something like this

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=stupid+train+spotter&start=106&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1920&bih=963&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=dxC17I4G_46ydM:&imgrefurl=http://blog.gusset.co.uk/labels/Photography.shtml&docid=WzleBqcCJFGHbM&imgurl=http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/imageBank/p/police.low2.jpg&w=480&h=360&ei=Q9V_UKvtMvPY4QTFroDwBg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=397&sig=102863105369118672699&page=3&tbnh=129&tbnw=183&ndsp=52&ved=1t:429,r:56,s:100,i:172&tx=111&ty=45

https://marketplace.asos.com/boutique/peace-corps/blog/anoraknophobia


Ok lets keep on the topic about Saturday .Will there be many people from the board here also going for lineside or farmers land photos ..

If so mybe we could all meet at McDonalds first beforehand

Just a thought and a way get know who we are from the board

popebenny16

DannyGrey wrote: »

Stick to the topic here and why on earth would you put links to this are you ill or something catch a grip and remove the links .

Better still could the mods remove them links makes me sick and angry theres sod all to even find amusing in the links

*seething gif*

Iolaire

DannyGrey wrote: »

Ok lets keep on the topic about Saturday .Will there be many people from the board here also going for lineside or farmers land photos ..

If so mybe we could all meet at McDonalds first beforehand

Just a thought and a way get know who we are from the board

Great plan. Next thing you have a dozen or more people trekking around fields and how long then, before the fields aren't close enough? This has been proved time and time again by that certain minority eh?

I would also confirm with the landowner that they are happy for a crowd to be wandering their land. While one person doesn't present too much of a problem if they're sensible, the same can't be said of a crowd.

DannyGrey

Iolaire wrote: »

Great plan. Next thing you have a dozen or more people trekking around fields and how long then, before the fields aren't close enough? This has been proved time and time again by that certain minority eh?

I would also confirm with the landowner that they are happy for a crowd to be wandering their land. While one person doesn't present too much of a problem if they're sensible, the same can't be said of a crowd.

Yes it seems that Downpatrick & ITG will allow a group of up to 20 to get lineside photos on the day really grateful to them to do this thats why i did put that message up so we all understand what to do just thought meet at McDonalds first to get to know who we are then a meeting will take place with Downpatrick guys John B & Brian G + ITG Ken at station hi viz bibs a most thats one of the rules they have ask for and to sign some form to make sure we agree to what they are asking for us to do.


Brillant glad its all worked out well for anyone wanting access to the line a pair a metal cap boots wouldnt be a bad thing either .


Remember theres only 20 persons allowed and i have been told theres 6 gone also so be quick to to meet up on Saturday morning for 11:40 at station as shunting will have been finished for 11:30 and trains start at 12:00 so that give times for forms and to be taken up the line to certain locations they have siad it could be possible to break the group into 4 groups of 5 to spread us out a bit

Cyberbeagle

DannyGrey wrote: »

In the email i got from the ITG on behalf of Downpatrick.

Are you planning to come there as well for photos if you are mybe we should meet up on Saturday and share where the access points will be to the land, very much looking forward to it .

Well you should know my name its Danny Grey the Wicklow lad can i ask who you are, is it possible for us to meet up at the Mc Donalds there as i will getting the breakfast there after the long drive up that morning.

pm me if you are interested .

Could i ask one thing you did ask where they state that no lineside photos on the day is well its the email i have , do you happen to know something different for that day can i access the line from the railway side then.It would be great if i can do you happen to know if this will be allowed thats why i had said in another post about me being the only person out there on Saturday getting lineside photos and thats why also i was willing to email anyone that would like a copy of them.

I am happy to have a look at that email for you, just email it to info@downrail.co.uk so I can see if there was any offensive or nasty language used and if there is I will investigate.

It is true that actual lineside access (as opposed to access to adjacent fields) has to be strictly controlled. There's a story that did the rounds in our place that way back in the early days a train went out and discovered a group of lads had tied a girl to the tracks for a "student film" they were shooting. Had not asked permission or anything, and so panic ensured!!! I have no idea if this story is true or not, BTW...

Anyway, hope you get some great pics. We really don't discourage photography, the more the better - they're great for PR - just as long as it's by the book!

DannyGrey

Cyberbeagle wrote: »

I am happy to have a look at that email for you, just email it to info@downrail.co.uk so I can see if there was any offensive or nasty language used and if there is I will investigate.

It is true that actual lineside access (as opposed to access to adjacent fields) has to be strictly controlled. There's a story that did the rounds in our place that way back in the early days a train went out and discovered a group of lads had tied a girl to the tracks for a "student film" they were shooting. Had not asked permission or anything, and so panic ensured!!! I have no idea if this story is true or not, BTW...

Will do copy on its way to you but its like i said before dont worry i didnt take anything to heart .

Just glad to get up for the day to see what used to run about CIE in my youth

Judgement Day

Dare I ask will there be xxxxxx dinners on the menu at McDonalds?

DannyGrey

Lads it looks like the whole Saturday thing is all fake some sad person from Dublin was sending me a whole load of false info which i took as true about track and meeting people at the station.

so please ignore all the messages about access to track and farmers land permission its all fake so dont turn up at McDonalds just turn up for the train runs on the line and i hope i meet a few people from here also on the day

Sorry about this i really thought it was all true

Danny

Losty Dublin

DannyGrey wrote: »

Lads it looks like the whole Saturday thing is all fake some sad person from Dublin was sending me a whole load of false info which i took as true about track and meeting people at the station.

so please ignore all the messages about access to track and farmers land permission its all fake so dont turn up at McDonalds just turn up for the train runs on the line and i hope i meet a few people from here also on the day

Sorry about this i really thought it was all true

Danny

ard_mhacha

DannyGrey wrote: »

Lads it looks like the whole Saturday thing is all fake some sad person from Dublin was sending me a whole load of false info which i took as true about track and meeting people at the station.

so please ignore all the messages about access to track and farmers land permission its all fake so dont turn up at McDonalds just turn up for the train runs on the line and i hope i meet a few people from here also on the day

Sorry about this i really thought it was all true

Danny

Thank you for clarifying that.

DannyGrey

ard_mhacha wrote: »

Thank you for clarifying that.

Jesus i am such an old bugger for thinking it was all true , just dont understand why that person would do that to me just because i had words with him at Amiens street station about signals annd cameras

Zaph

Your worst nightmare wrote: »

Im your worst nightmare! Exactly as the avatar says

And I'm yours. Bye now.

Railway Worker

any chance of a spin in the cab of the locos this saturday

Sligo Quay

Judgement Day wrote: »

Dare I ask will there be xxxxxx dinners on the menu at McDonalds?

I only wish, you'v a great life JD, btw I really love the funny links in this thread, including yours Dannygrey and gobnaitolunacy, very funny, no I'II be in Rotterdam Port on Saturday listening to complaining, cranky, ignorant truckers going on and on about dangerous loads, while a million mlies away others biggest problem is taking pictures of enjoyable trains, and JD in McDonalds stuffing in a quarter pounder http://www.google.ie/imgres?q=quarter+pounder&hl=en&sa=X&rlz=1T4RNTN_enIE355IE356&biw=1024&bih=540&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=BQYqZhY6N4QP3M:&imgrefurl=http://shiitushouldkno.blogspot.com/2008/08/deadly-double-quarter-pounder.html&docid=goGSD9V4jlRKoM&imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dxf84IFMrsw/SKcbgaovyHI/AAAAAAAABMk/a0wMeyrlC4I/s400/doublepounder.jpg&w=350&h=287&ei=NWKAUOPfM8e3hAfcyIH4Bg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=729&vpy=2&dur=125&hovh=203&hovw=248&tx=158&ty=63&sig=111832721952761303341&page=1&tbnh=141&tbnw=188&start=0&ndsp=8&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0,i:88

ard_mhacha

Railway Worker wrote: »

any chance of a spin in the cab of the locos this saturday

ITG have been granted a small number of cab passes. I suspect they will distribute them the same way they did with the ones they had for their last charter day at Downpatrick.