Sergio Martinez vs Julio Cesar Chavez Jnr-Middleight Championship of the World

x PyRo

Wow.

That. was. epic.

clubwelly

Class the final round made me jump. Hope Sergio doesn't get robbed now

darced

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Jayob10

Kellerman fawning over Chavez, congratulating him on landing one heavy shot in the last minute of the 12th round. Its clear HBO are a showing a little favourtism, did Martinez get a mention at all post fight?

Talk of a rematch? Chavez doesn't deserve it, lost every round and landed a lucky shot, pure joke.

The same would happen again, give Geale or Golovkin a shot next. HBO seem to think Martinez is just keeping the belt warm for JCC jnr.

Henno30

Chavez was utterly outclassed for eleven and a half rounds. He was completely outworked and outfought by a 37 year old that was 20 pounds lighter and threw little or nothing back. He landed one shot and HBO are falling over themselves to say how well he did

Brilliant performance by Sergio. Way out of Chavez' league as a fighter. Give the rematch if he can't get Floyd.

Henno30

Jayob10 wrote: »

Kellerman fawning over Chavez, congratulating him on landing one heavy shot in the last minute of the 12th round. Its clear HBO are a showing a little favourtism, did Martinez get a mention at all post fight?

Talk of a rematch? Chavez doesn't deserve it, lost every round and landed a lucky shot, pure joke.

The same would happen again, give Geale or Golovkin a shot next. HBO seem to think Martinez is just keeping the belt warm for JCC jnr.

Agreed. Absolutely ridiculous. Chavez did nothing except stay on his feet against a guy who was 20 pounds lighter than him. Hilarious to listen to Kellerman talk about how well he did.

Jayob10

darced wrote: »

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ah go away outta that

one of the most limited "champions" in many a year.

got absolutely whooped tonight. HBO's reaction was hilarious, not one mention of it being a shut out.

I was half expecting a dodgy decision there, and no doubt HBO would have ran with it.

Fair play to the judges

darced

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weemcd

Chavez landed a shockingly low amount of shots to the body, considering that is a strength of his. 12th round aside (he was rocked) Martinez never looked troubled tonight at all. Fair enough he was caught once, and he never really looked like getting JR out of there, but that was a real performance from Martinez. No matter who the judges were it was never going to be anything other than martinez by every round

Henno30

darced wrote: »

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He's a cruiserweight. Bravo for not falling down with his two stone advantage. He was taken apart. He has no business in the middleweight division to begin with, and he certainly has no business with a middleweight belt.

All I saw tonight was that Chavez is every inch the fraud Sergio said he was. Maybe he should move up in weight and fight someone his own size for a change.

darced

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Henno30

darced wrote: »

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Watch a lot of boxing then?

darced

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gaybeer

Sergio won a pretty one sided fight. Short of the Mayweather fight he would be mad not to grant the rematch. He will make 3/4 times more fighting JCC than he would anyone else.

I could see Jnr having more success in a rematch given he knows he can hurt Martinez.

T-K-O

darced wrote: »

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He retired years ago..

Scanlas The 2nd

Anyone have a link to watch this fight?

T-K-O

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Anyone have a link to watch this fight?

Trying to find one myself... if you come across anything let me know

endswell

T-K-O wrote: »

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Anyone have a link to watch this fight?

Trying to find one myself... if you come across anything let me know

boxingscene videos section

T-K-O

endswell wrote: »

boxingscene videos section

Thanks!

T-K-O

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSySE00OgG0

slapbangwallop

Does Martinez-Chavez Jnr hold the key to Macklin's future?

http://www.boxing-ireland.com/news/knife-edge-will-martinez-chavez-jr-hold-the-key-to-macklins-future/

endswell

slapbangwallop wrote: »

Does Martinez-Chavez Jnr hold the key to Macklin's future?

http://www.boxing-ireland.com/news/knife-edge-will-martinez-chavez-jr-hold-the-key-to-macklins-future/

would macklin chavez be a runner?

Dick phelan

First ever post to boards anyway was just wondering who do you think would win if martinez and mayweather where to fight i don't see it happening as floyd is unlikely to move up to middleweight and if martinez moves down at his age i fear he would be to weight drained. So what you think could it be a possible fight and at what weight, who do you think wins if martinez moves down then i fancy mayweather to take it but at middle i think martinez wins

Henno30

Dick phelan wrote: »

First ever post to boards anyway was just wondering who do you think would win if martinez and mayweather where to fight i don't see it happening as floyd is unlikely to move up to middleweight and if martinez moves down at his age i fear he would be to weight drained. So what you think could it be a possible fight and at what weight, who do you think wins if martinez moves down then i fancy mayweather to take it but at middle i think martinez wins

I think Sergio offered Floyd the fight @150 at the beginning of this year. Would be a better fight at 154, no way Floyd is going to 160.

I think Sergio should do what it takes to make it happen. If he can't get Floyd he should look for Cotto at 154. He's 37. Only a few big fights left at this stage and Chavez should only be a back-up plan.

Henno30

Apparently Martinez tore knee ligaments last night. Will need surgery.

weemcd

Henno30 wrote: »

Apparently Martinez tore knee ligaments last night. Will need surgery.

+ broken hand & stitches to his cuts if reports are to be believed. He has nearly everything that lad ie; the grit for an absolute rumble, Kayo power & all the skills to "box" an opponent for points too. Seriously impressed by him last night.

getuponthis

Well done to Martinez, absolutely great fighter to watch. Always tries to put on a show. He seems like a really good guy outside of the ring aswell! A totally different class to Chavez!

And what can I say about Chavez? A complete embarrassment to his father and the sport to be honest!

I just don't understand this crap of draining himself to make the weight then putting on anything up to 2 stone before the fight!?
He clearly shouldn't be anywhere near the middleweight division, he should step up to his true weight and see how well he can bully people his own size in the ring.

I think Everybody including himself know he couldn't compete with guys his own size.

colly10

Thought Martinez was very impressive. Wasn't sure he really had much left after his last few fights but he totally outboxed Chavez last night. Was fairly stupid in the last round though, thought he was going to throw it away by mixing it when he had the fight won.

Thought max kellerman was a total embarrassment after the fight, fauning over a guy that only managed to win one round, comparing the fight to one of his fathers great fights and asking what this does for the chavez legacy. HBO arn't what they were

T-K-O

Just watched the fight. Martinez schooled the kid, totally outclassed.

In relation to the weight - if a guy makes weight he is entitled to fight at that weight. I'm sure we would like to change the rules and we would all have different ideas on that.

Chavez is not the first guy to cut down and he wont be the last.

Big Ears

T-K-O wrote: »

Just watched the fight. Martinez schooled the kid, totally outclassed.

In relation to the weight - if a guy makes weight he is entitled to fight at that weight. I'm sure we would like to change the rules and we would all have different ideas on that.

Chavez is not the first guy to cut down and he wont be the last.

I think it's the fact he has used illegal methods to make weight, and the way drug testing has been carried out in his following fights that make people angry with him fighting at that weight. It is pretty much unheard of for a Middleweight to be weighing 185+ lbs on the night, that's what Light-Heavyweights come in at.

Now we're not gonna speculate about who's taking what on this forum, but I think people would accept Chavez jnr fighting at this weight a lot more if he were to undergo rigorous drug testing procedures while he does it. Also actually staying on the scales for more than 1 second might make people less suspicious of him aswell.

T-K-O

Big Ears wrote: »

I think it's the fact he has used illegal methods to make weight, and the way drug testing has been carried out in his following fights that make people angry with him fighting at that weight. It is pretty much unheard of for a Middleweight to be weighing 185+ lbs on the night, that's what Light-Heavyweights come in at.

Now we're not gonna speculate about who's taking what on this forum, but I think people would accept Chavez jnr fighting at this weight a lot more if he were to undergo rigorous drug testing procedures while he does it. Also actually staying on the scales for more than 1 second might make people less suspicious of him aswell.

Of there is a lot going on around he Chavez camp but that is up to the powers that be to resolve. Systems and rules will be manipulated to gain that advantage. If he is not being tested properly, well thats scandalous.

The size difference V Martinez looked huge

clubwelly

Has anyone got a link to the post fight interviews by HBO?

colly10

clubwelly wrote: »

Has anyone got a link to the post fight interviews by HBO?

The only place I know is go to boxing scene video trading block and go to the thread started by obama. Go to the stream or download and move the clip to near the end

Henno30

T-K-O wrote: »

Of there is a lot going on around he Chavez camp but that is up to the powers that be to resolve. Systems and rules will be manipulated to gain that advantage. If he is not being tested properly, well thats scandalous.

The size difference V Martinez looked huge

WBC Diamond middleweight champion Sergio Martinez revealed recently that he wanted extra testing done for his bout against WBC middleweight champion Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. for their September 15th fight in Las Vegas, because he was worried about Chavez Jr having previously tested positive for a diuretic, a water draining drug that some fighters use to lose massive amounts of water weight in a short period of time in order to make weight for a fight that they normally couldn’t make because of their size.

Martinez told thaboxingvoice.com “I’m not comfortable because Chavez Jr did test positive for diuretic before and there were doubts that he has been tested in his last two fights. But honestly, if I would have asked for extra testing, I don’t think we would have a fight.”

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2012/07/sergio-martinez-im-concerned-with-chavez-jr-because-hes-tested-positive-for-a-diuretic-in-the-past/

Chavez wouldn't do an unofficial weigh-in for HBO on Saturday night either.

T-K-O

Henno30 wrote: »

Chavez wouldn't do an unofficial weigh-in for HBO on Saturday night either.

Him not doing the un official weight in is suspect only because of the other rumours doing the rounds.

Normally I would put that down to gamesmanship but dodging various blood /drug tests is worrying.

In saying all that Martinez is happy to fight him and apparently happy to fight a rematch

walshb

Is it rumour or fact that JCC weighed north of 180 lbs? Anyway, 20-25 lbs in 24-30 hrs to me seems more a disadvantage. It's a lot of liquids and solids consumed in such a short space of time. Seems quite dangerous actually. JCC came in 2 lbs under the limit as well. I wonder what Martinez weighed in the ring? Probably 167-170? Healthy gain that.

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

Is it rumour or fact that JCC weighed north of 180 lbs? Anyway, 20-25 lbs in 24-30 hrs to me seems more a disadvantage. It's a lot of liquids and solids consumed in such a short space of time. Seems quite dangerous actually. JCC came in 2 lbs under the limit as well. I wonder what Martinez weighed in the ring? Probably 167-170? Healthy gain that.

Rumor, well at least the HBO commentators said that Chavez refused the non official weight in, so we don't know for sure. However when they fought on the inside he looked huge compared to Martinez.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Is it rumour or fact that JCC weighed north of 180 lbs? Anyway, 20-25 lbs in 24-30 hrs to me seems more a disadvantage. It's a lot of liquids and solids consumed in such a short space of time. Seems quite dangerous actually. JCC came in 2 lbs under the limit as well. I wonder what Martinez weighed in the ring? Probably 167-170? Healthy gain that.

It's fact that he has weighed in excess of 180 lbs before, and therefore likely was again on Saturday. Most people believe somewhere between 180-185 lbs.
His amazing stamina (okay he didn't throw that many punches Saturday, but it other fights) seems almost super human considering the way he goes about things.

I think Martinez was 168 lbs, but I'm not certain about that.

BiffoGooner

walshb wrote: »

Is it rumour or fact that JCC weighed north of 180 lbs? Anyway, 20-25 lbs in 24-30 hrs to me seems more a disadvantage. It's a lot of liquids and solids consumed in such a short space of time. Seems quite dangerous actually. JCC came in 2 lbs under the limit as well. I wonder what Martinez weighed in the ring? Probably 167-170? Healthy gain that.

Can't be good for your body, no. Especially since he's a proven user of diuretics to illegally cut the weight, which is known to be bad for your liver and kidneys. He won't be able to do that forever.

In terms of the fight, that extra weight is obviously a disadvantage if you're a quick, speed style fighter. For a fighter like Chavez, it's a huge advantage to have that much weight over your opponent. His 'style' is basically leaning his head on you and hammering away to the body and head. Having a near 190 pounder leaning on you all night is going to wear you out. Thankfully Sergio has the speed and class to nullify that and make Chavez look every bit the horrible, limited fighter he is. Hasn't even got a jab to work behind and work his way in close. He was utterly exposed that night. Good riddance.

rebelomar

To be honest the financial rewards on offer will ensure there is a replay...Martinez seems happy enough to accept a rematch obviously on a much closer purse split.

Chavez jnr's supposed indifferent attitude to his training came back to haunt him as he simply didnt have the energy to finish Martinez off. I accept the one sided beating he took also came into play here but there is no doubt his prepartions were under par.

Martinez for 11 rounds was absolutely incredible. What talent!

walshb

BiffoGooner wrote: »

In terms of the fight, that extra weight is obviously a disadvantage if you're a quick, speed style fighter. For a fighter like Chavez, it's a huge advantage to have that much weight over your opponent. His 'style' is basically leaning his head on you and hammering away to the body and head. Having a near 190 pounder leaning on you all night is going to wear you out. Thankfully Sergio has the speed and class to nullify that and make Chavez look every bit the horrible, limited fighter he is. Hasn't even got a jab to work behind and work his way in close. He was utterly exposed that night. Good riddance.

It may be a huge advanatge over a fighter who allows him to lay on them and beat on them. But against quality it is obviously not doing him any favours. Against a slickster like Martinez JCC looked very pedestrian. The major weight loss regime, and then the rapid weight gain will see him suffer against quality. Against a Mackilin or Lee that weight advantage would be bad for them.

Big Ears

Seems Chavez Jnr has tested positive for Cannabis, could have repercussions when the full results come through.

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/174891-report-chavez-jr-tests-positive-for-marjuana

sxt

It will be interesting how they handle this ...second drugs offence is pretty serious...His lawyers will argue that he was backstage at every rap/rock concert in the last year ?

T-K-O

marjuana ?? FFS

I reckon his camp leaked that as an excuse for his **** performance.

weemcd

Severely doubt Chavez Jr has the head for boxing at this level, with his previous testing trouble then being found with mary jayne in his system he doesn't really have a leg to stand on (no problem with him smoking weed at all, its his choice, commissions don't want to know about this however). Whole attitude seems wrong and a polar opposite of someone like Martinez. Didn't like the look of him on the 24/7 not showing for training, didn't seem to listen to Roach in his corner on fight night either.

Spoilt child.

Wonder what his camp are going to say, possibly try a therapeutic use defence

colly10

If he's already tested positive twice, what was in his system the 2 times he didn't show up for the test.
This chaps a clown, he doesn't have the mentality to be fighting at this level, probably down to his rich upbringing

Dick phelan

If i remember right didnt chavez not give a urine sample or something before the Lee fight, very dodgy i wonder how many of his other fights has the lad had something in his system he shouldn't, wonder what punishment the guy will get after this, i bet very little considering his name.

minty16

Why is there so much negativity for JCC on here. He clearly has the head for the game considering his granite chin and very obvious fighting heart. Ok the drugs issues to cast a doubt over him somewhat but innocent until proven guilty. People saying he shamed his fathers name? Get a grip, he was Massive underdog fighting one of the greatest fighters of the recent era and if the fight was 2 years down the line he floors Martinez. He's a young fighter who will achieve in the sport (already has to be honest) and providing he is not souped up on drugs Ithink he has done his father proud.

walshb

minty16 wrote: »

he was Massive underdog fighting one of the greatest fighters of the recent era and if the fight was 2 years down the line he floors Martinez. He's a young fighter who will achieve in the sport (already has to be honest) and providing he is not souped up on drugs Ithink he has done his father proud.

I don't see what is impressive if we have to wait until Martinez is even older before JCC can beat him, which, by the way I don't think happens. The gulf in class was very evident the other night.

JCC is good. It ends there.

colly10

minty16 wrote: »

Why is there so much negativity for JCC on here. He clearly has the head for the game considering his granite chin and very obvious fighting heart. Ok the drugs issues to cast a doubt over him somewhat but innocent until proven guilty. People saying he shamed his fathers name? Get a grip, he was Massive underdog fighting one of the greatest fighters of the recent era and if the fight was 2 years down the line he floors Martinez. He's a young fighter who will achieve in the sport (already has to be honest) and providing he is not souped up on drugs Ithink he has done his father proud.

He's 26 with over 40 fights, he's not exactly a kid. Even leaving out the failed drug tests and the no shows, the champion with huge support and hype was totally outclassed for 11 of 12 rounds and if Martinez was using his head he would have lost every round.
He's a decent fighter who would be no one only for his father. He also has a terrible attitude, if he can't get it together now for his chance to prove himself as anything other than his fathers son then when is he going to get it together?

I can't imagine he'll last long at 160 and the compitition will be tougher when he moves up. I think his chin mostly comes down to the weight advantage as well and will be tested at 168 and 175