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lazygal

koth wrote: »

even when it's medically necessary to protect the health of the woman. Always interesting to see an absolutist stance and the irony that can a result of such a position.

Ah, but its a termination, not an abortion when its to save the woman's life!!! Don't ask me, the tiiiiiineeeeee baaaaaaabieeeeee lovers came up with that answer.

Silvio.Dante

koth wrote: »

even when it's medically necessary to protect the health of the woman.

Where a mother's life is in danger all medical interventions are justified to save her life...:)

Silvio.Dante

lazygal wrote: »

Ah, but its a termination, not an abortion when its to save the woman's life.

spot on...:)

B0jangles

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

American Life dollars are more then welcome to help fund the campaign against intentionally killing unborn babies...:)

Great to have it confirmed that American groups have been pumping money into the anti-abortion lobby here. Several irish journalists have tried to get this information and have only received very evasive answers from irish anti-choice groups so far.

Thanks Silvio!

lazygal

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

Where a mother's life is in danger all medical interventions are justified to save her life...:)

What about if its a 14 year old rape victim who's threat to her life is suicide? Can you kill a foetus to save her?

Delirium

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

Where a mother's life is in danger all medical interventions are justified to save her life...:)

I said protect her health, not that her life was in danger. An ectopic pregnancy is a good example. The child won't survive outside the womb but by your thinking a woman should be forced to carry the pregnancy to term. That's some serious damage to inflict on a person's mind. Cruel and unusual punishment is too kind a term for doing such a thing to another person.

Silvio.Dante

B0jangles wrote: »

Great to have it confirmed that American groups have been pumping money into the anti-abortion lobby here. Several irish journalists have tried to get this information and have only received very evasive answers from irish anti-choice groups so far.

Thanks Silvio!

No worries. we're delighted to receive contributions from many international doners..:)

Silvio.Dante

lazygal wrote: »

What about if its a 14 year old rape victim who's threat to her life is suicide? Can you kill a foetus to save her?

Where is the Psychiatric Paper that states an abortion is a suitable solution in such circumstances...

Silvio.Dante

koth wrote: »

I said protect her health, not that her life was in danger. An ectopic pregnancy is a good example. The child won't survive outside the womb but by your thinking a woman should be forced to carry the pregnancy to term. That's some serious damage to inflict on a person's mind. Cruel and unusual punishment is too kind a term for doing such a thing to another person.

Ectopic pregnancies go to full term in Irish hospitals..?

Are you sure dude..? Really sure...???

eviltwin

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

Where is the Psychiatric Paper that states an abortion is a suitable solution in such circumstances...

Why do we need a group of doctors to tell a rape victim she should have an abortion? Can we not trust the women themselves to make that decision?

Delirium

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

Ectopic pregnancies go to full term in Irish hospitals..?

Are you sure dude..? Really sure...???

well the alternative is that abortions are carried out here already.

lazygal

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

Where is the Psychiatric Paper that states an abortion is a suitable solution in such circumstances...

So you believe a 14 year old child who has been raped and is suicidal should be forced to endure pregnancy and childbirth? Why?

B0jangles

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

Where is the Psychiatric Paper that states an abortion is a suitable solution in such circumstances...

Where's the psychaitric paper saying that aborting a rape pregnancy won't improve the state of mind of a 14 year old rape victim?

Have you ever been pregnant Silvio? It's weird, even for someone who wants the baby. It kicks you. Can you try to step outside your viewpoint for just one moment and imagine how horrific that would be for a little girl who was attacked, brutalized, and impregnated then forced to carry that baby until it was kicking her from the inside.

She's already had her own body taken from her and used by someone else, now she has to endure that use for a full nine months.

Silvio.Dante

eviltwin wrote: »

Why do we need a group of doctors to tell a rape victim she should have an abortion? Can we not trust the women themselves to make that decision?

So you agree that no Psychiatrist has ever recommended an abortion as a suitable reaction in such circumstances?

Excellent.

Why would you inflict such an assault on a young girl that also kils her innocent unborn baby..?

Silvio.Dante

koth wrote: »

well the alternative is that abortions are carried out here already.

Try answering the question this time eh..?

Do ectopic pregnancies go to full term in Irish Hospitals..?

lazygal

B0jangles wrote: »

Where's the psychaitric paper saying that aborting a rape pregnancy won't improve the state of mind of a 14 year old rape victim?

Have you ever been pregnant Silvio? It's weird, even for someone who wants the baby. It kicks you. Can you try to step outside your viewpoint for just one moment and imagine how horrific that would be for a little girl who was attacked, brutalized, and impregnated then forced to carry that baby until it was kicking her from the inside.

I honestly don't know how any woman who's been pregnant would want to force another to go through it unless she wanted to. Even an uncomplicated pregnancy and birth has lifelong effects on a woman.

lazygal

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

So you agree that no Psychiatrist has ever recommended an abortion as a suitable reaction in such circumstances?

Excellent.

Why would you inflict such an assault on a young girl that also kils her innocent unborn baby..?

Why would you inflict pregnancy and childbirth on a child?

Silvio.Dante

lazygal wrote: »

So you believe a 14 year old child who has been raped and is suicidal should be forced to endure pregnancy and childbirth? Why?

Very simply, no Psychiatrist reocmmends it as an appropriate response. While at the same time it results in intentionally killing her innocent unborn baby...

oldrnwisr

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

Where is the Psychiatric Paper that states an abortion is a suitable solution in such circumstances...

You rang?

Induced First-Trimester Abortion and Risk of Mental Disorder

This study shows that the incidence rate of psychiatric contact in those seeking first-term abortions went from 14.6 per 1000 person-years before abortion to 15.2 after. The 95% C.I. of the two groups overlapped, showing that there is no evidence to suggest that there is any negative psychological impact arising from abortion.
Pregnancy on the other hand is associated with significant increased negative psychological impact with incidence rates rising from 3.9 before to 6.7 after.
What this means is that there are certain cases, quite a few in fact, whereby the psychological health of the pregnant woman would be improved had she been given an abortion as a result of avoiding the psychologial problems associated with pregnancy.

Delirium

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

Try answering the question this time eh..?

Do ectopic pregnancies go to full term in Irish Hospitals..?

I don't know. If they don't then abortions are happening here, which you oppose. How do you rationalise that obvious contradiction?

lazygal

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

Try answering the question this time eh..?

Do ectopic pregnancies go to full term in Irish Hospitals..?

No because such foetuses are aborted. Call it termination if it makes you feel better but there is abortion already taking place, we need to regulate and legally implement a referendum result.

B0jangles

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

So you agree that no Psychiatrist has ever recommended an abortion as a suitable reaction in such circumstances?

Excellent.

Why would you inflict such an assault on a young girl that also kils her innocent unborn baby..?

This is not a conversation that can be "won" by tripping up an opponent.

Do you acknowledge that women are adults who are capable of deciding whether or not to continue with pregnancies by themselves, without "counselling" from verifiably unbiased groups like the catholic church?

lazygal

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

Very simply, no Psychiatrist reocmmends it as an appropriate response. While at the same time it results in intentionally killing her innocent unborn baby...

Why would you intentionally inflict pregnancy and childbirth on a 14 year old rape victim?

Silvio.Dante

oldrnwisr wrote: »

You rang?

Induced First-Trimester Abortion and Risk of Mental Disorder

This study shows that the incidence rate of psychiatric contact in those seeking first-term abortions went from 14.6 per 1000 person-years before abortion to 15.2 after. The 95% C.I. of the two groups overlapped, showing that there is no evidence to suggest that there is any negative psychological impact arising from abortion.
Pregnancy on the other hand is associated with significant increased negative psychological impact with incidence rates rising from 3.9 before to 6.7 after.
What this means is that there are certain cases, quite a few in fact, whereby the psychological health of the pregnant woman would be improved had she been given an abortion as a result of avoiding the psychologial problems associated with pregnancy.

Its cnclusion is...:

"The finding that the incidence rate of psychiatric contact was similar before and

after a first-trimester abortion does not support the hypothesis that there is an increased

risk of mental disorders after a first-trimester induced abortion"

Notihng about abortion being recommended as a suitable 'treatment'. Nice try though...:)

lazygal

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

Its cnclusion is...:

"The finding that the incidence rate of psychiatric contact was similar before and

after a first-trimester abortion does not support the hypothesis that there is an increased

risk of mental disorders after a first-trimester induced abortion"

Notihng about abortion being recommended as a suitable 'treatment'. Nice try though...:)

Why would you inflict pregnancy and childbirth on a 14 year old rape victim?

Silvio.Dante

koth wrote: »

I don't know. If they don't then abortions are happening here, which you oppose. How do you rationalise that obvious contradiction?

Clearly you hadn't a clue but swallowed the Probort propagande. They saw you coming...

Terminations of pregnancy happen and are justified in Irish hospitals when the life of the mother is in danger. Sadly sometimes the baby dies as an unintentional consequance.

Next..?

B0jangles

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

Its cnclusion is...:

"The finding that the incidence rate of psychiatric contact was similar before and

after a first-trimester abortion does not support the hypothesis that there is an increased

risk of mental disorders after a first-trimester induced abortion"

Notihng about abortion being recommended as a suitable 'treatment'. Nice try though...:)

Any chance you'll respond to my post Silvio? ( #4244)
I konw you have a very great many to answer but I'd appreciate a response.

lazygal

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

Clearly you hadn't a clue but swallowed the Probort propagande. They saw you coming...

Terminations of pregnancy happen and are justified in Irish hospitals when the life of the mother is in danger. Sadly sometimes the baby dies as an unintentional consequance.

Next..?

Why would you inflict pregnancy and childbirth on a 14 year old rape victim?

eviltwin

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

Its cnclusion is...:

"The finding that the incidence rate of psychiatric contact was similar before and

after a first-trimester abortion does not support the hypothesis that there is an increased

risk of mental disorders after a first-trimester induced abortion"

Notihng about abortion being recommended as a suitable 'treatment'. Nice try though...:)

Nice to see it fails to back up the claim of the pro life group that abortion causes depression and other mental health issues

Silvio.Dante

B0jangles wrote: »

This is not a conversation that can be "won" by tripping up an opponent.

Do you acknowledge that women are adults who are capable of deciding whether or not to continue with pregnancies by themselves, without "counselling" from verifiably unbiased groups like the catholic church?

All we can do is ensure intentional killing of unborn babies remains illegal in our wee country. thats what this campaign is all about...