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    #4322
    krudler
    Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    I have done so, hence the clarity of my answer...

    That's not clarity, its robotic nonsense rhetoric being repeated over and over again.

    Just just to clarify, you advocate raped women being forced to carry and give birth to their rapist's baby.


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    #4323
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Alas we have no influence on abortion laws in other countries...

    Could you tell three quarters of Youth Defence's support and what must be 90% of its funding to f*ck off back to America then? I mean, if you're in any way interested in making your statement here something besides disgustingly hypocritical?


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    #4324
    _rebelkid
    Registered Users Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭_rebelkid


    Just a point of interest,

    The twitter hashtag "#Vigil4Life" has now been taken over by the *pronbots*. It's hilarious :)


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    #4325
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    I was wondering why some violent hostage negotiation gone sour was trending on that hashtag...

    F*ck it, might as well add fuel to the fire. REAL LIFE DICK PARTIES @ #VIGIL4LIFE!


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    #4326
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    It depends what you are lobbying for. Is it democratic to lobby the government to ignore the constitution? A yes or no will suffice.
    That's a good one. "Depends" on who agrees with it I suppose. Everyone is free to lobby the government to change the laws and/or constitution of Ireland. Otherwise we would never have these referendums, ever.....
    Also the right to an abortion is not in the constitution. So the overall point is mute.


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    #4327
    Da Shins Kelly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    It might amuse some of you to know that there is a politician in Idaho who has legally changed his name to Pro-Life. I sh*t you not.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-Life_(politician)


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    #4328
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Now nobody can say they're Pro-Life without committing fraud. I like it.


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    #4329
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    B0jangles wrote: »
    Typical. This was a game of words intended to create reactions and essentially troll the lot of us. No conception that these are real issues with actual real world consequences for so many women.

    Everything can be reduced to a game of win/lose of the internet.

    "hurr hurr. I trolled those pro-choice bítches so HARD tonight! High-five duder!"

    I won't apologise for going to bed FFS...:D

    Did you miss me that much..?


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    #4330
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    swampgas wrote: »
    Absolutely true, unfortunately this is a truth that is incompatible with the absolutist religious ideology of the anti-abortionists. So instead we get this ridiculous pretence that sometimes an abortion is not an abortion, it's an accidental side-effect of a medical treatment.

    Unfortunately the religious mind is well practiced at rationalising away unwelcome truths.
    not accidental, but obviuosly unintentional.

    The intentoin is to save the life of the mother. Often times in these rare occassions the unintended consequence is the tragic loss of the baby...


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    #4331
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    I think Silvio might be related to J C. :eek:


    They do say he and I look alike...:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbQ7UFyqRpY


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    #4332
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    I am a psychiatric nurse and people are more likely to become mentally unwell when they experience a lack of control, choice and options in their lives. Are you an authority on what is a "suitable treatment psychiatrically"?


    I have no Psychiatric qualifications. Hence my reliance on the Psychiatric community on this one...:)


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    #4333
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Nodin wrote: »
    And what about where the pregnancy is unviable?


    Sadly the baby will die on termniation, the intention being to save the mother's life...


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    #4334
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    krudler wrote: »
    That's not clarity, its robotic nonsense rhetoric being repeated over and over again.

    Just just to clarify, you advocate raped women being forced to carry and give birth to their rapist's baby.

    I believe that no innocent unborn baby should be killed because of the sin of his/her father. Happy to clarify for you...


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    #4335
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Sarky wrote: »
    Could you tell three quarters of Youth Defence's support and what must be 90% of its funding to f*ck off back to America then? I mean, if you're in any way interested in making your statement here something besides disgustingly hypocritical?


    We are happy to receive American Life dollars. Its not cheap holding rallies for tens of thousands of people in downtown Dublin you know...:)


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    #4336
    The Black Oil
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,418 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    American life dollars.

    Oh, you.

    Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.

    CMod: Entertainment



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    #4337
    panda100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,551 ✭✭✭panda100


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    We are happy to receive American Life dollars. Its not cheap holding rallies for tens of thousands of people in downtown Dublin you know...:)

    One thing that always turned me of the 'pro life' movement even when I was a practising Catholic, was their evident love of money. I always thought Jesus was pretty clear on his feelings of rich people,but I guess the likes of YD are pretty far removed from any of the core values of Jesus teachings.

    Silvio Dante, would you not think that money would be better served by giving it to struggling families and those in need, rather than on pro life placards?


    After watching the news last night I was so depressed to be a women living in Ireland.Why can Irish women not be respected enough to make this decision for themselves. Why do we need the likes of Mickey Harte, telling me what I can do with my body. Was there even one female speaker on the podium? Getting the likes of Mickey Harte to speak really is just a joke. They all really do hate women don't they.


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    #4338
    Morag
    Registered Users Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    I believe that no innocent unborn baby should be killed because of the sin of his/her father. Happy to clarify for you...

    How are they innocent when they are tainted with mortal/ original sin on their conception and will need to be baptised to be cleansed of it?


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    #4339
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    panda100 wrote: »
    One thing that always turned me of the 'pro life' movement even when I was a practising Catholic, was their evident love of money. I always thought Jesus was pretty clear on his feelings of rich people,but I guess the likes of YD are pretty far removed from any of the core values of Jesus teachings.

    Silvio Dante, would you not think that money would be better served by giving it to struggling families and those in need, rather than on pro life placards?


    After watching the news last night I was so depressed to be a women living in Ireland.Why can Irish women not be respected enough to make this decision for themselves. Why do we need the likes of Mickey Harte, telling me what I can do with my body. Was there even one female speaker on the podium? Getting the likes of Mickey Harte to speak really is just a joke. They all really do hate women don't they.

    The vast majority of those attending were women and there was at least four women who spoke onstage...


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    #4340
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Morag wrote: »
    How are they innocent when they are tainted with mortal sin on their conception and will need to be baptised to be cleansed of it?

    What crimes have they committed that in your view justifies their execution..?


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    #4341
    Morag
    Registered Users Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    Silvio.Dante are you familiar with the doctrine of original sin or not?


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    #4342
    _rebelkid
    Registered Users Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭_rebelkid


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    We are happy to receive American Life dollars. Its not cheap holding rallies for tens of thousands of people in downtown Dublin you know...:)

    So the majority of the "Irish Pro Life Movement" is actually just minions for American Business agendas?

    If there is such "fantastic support for pro life in Ireland", why didn't they pay for it? Get them to "donate" a fiver, then see the numbers drop. The Vigil was a fraud. Free buses will get people to do anything.


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    #4343
    eyescreamcone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    Mickey Harte :(

    Rally whore!!!


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    #4344
    Banbh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Banbh


    Its not cheap holding rallies for tens of thousands of people in downtown Dublin you know
    The trade unions, the Campaign Against Water Charges, the IFA, Irish Palestine Solidarity Committee and a thousand other organisations have held such rallies and it never cost a penny. But then they were not paid rent-a-crowd American stooges.


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    #4345
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    _rebelkid wrote: »

    So the majority of the "Irish Pro Life Movement" is actually just minions for American Business agendas?

    They must enjoy being used. I understand some people are into that.


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    #4346
    krudler
    Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    The Black Oil wrote: »
    American life dollars.

    Oh, you.

    "Itchy and Scratchy dollars, what are they?"
    "It's like real money, only, fun"


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    #4347
    krudler
    Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    I believe that no innocent unborn baby should be killed because of the sin of his/her father. Happy to clarify for you...

    So you want forced pregnancies as a result of traumatic circumstances. How christian of you.


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    #4348
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    She should be treated psychiatrically, of course...
    How should she be treated psychiatrically? Should she be insitutionalised so that she can be kept an eye on? Should she be prohibited access to things like coat hangers and knitting needles lest she try to perform an abortion herself? Should she be strapped to a bed lest she try take her own life?

    What about the trauma of childbirth? The agonising decision whether to keep her rapists child or put it up for adoption? What about the post natal depression? Why should a child be forced to go through all that? Why don't you care about children who have already been born?
    Flier wrote: »
    Ok - I accept that you are being honest. But nonetheless, you are wrong. As a surgeon, I have been involved in the surgical management of ectopic pregnancy, and the result was not the 'unintentional killing of the baby'. It was fully intentional. And it saved the lives of the mothers.
    Can you please answer a question for me? I have heard that in Irelandthe treatment for ectopic pregnancy is to remove the entire fallopian tube, whereas in other countries an incision is made into the tube and just the foetus removed, with removal of the entire tube only if that is impossible.

    Is that true, and do you know what, if any, implications that could have for a woman's future fertility?


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    #4349
    iguana
    Registered Users Posts: 12,916 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    kylith wrote: »
    Why don't you care about children who have already been born?

    Considering that many of yesterday's vigil attendees milled about taking up whole footpaths ensuring that everyone wanting to get past them needed to walk out on the road, in the heavy traffic, I'd say no. I had to make quite the ruckus to get them to make space for me to be able to keep my 10 week old son on the footpath.


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    #4350
    kylith
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    iguana wrote: »
    Considering that many of yesterday's vigil attendees milled about taking up whole footpaths ensuring that everyone wanting to get past them needed to walk out on the road, in the heavy traffic, I'd say no. I had to make quite the ruckus to get them to make space for me to be able to keep my 10 week old son on the footpath.

    Wow. What a crowd of inconsiderate people.


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    #4351
    swampgas
    Registered Users Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭swampgas


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    not accidental, but obviuosly unintentional.

    The intentoin is to save the life of the mother. Often times in these rare occassions the unintended consequence is the tragic loss of the baby...

    There you go again, refusing to face up to reality with word-play and euphemisms.

    Of course the intention is to save the mother, and often the intention is to save the mother by intentionally killing the foetus.

    It's not like the foetus is removed and then the medical staff suddenly go: "What, the foetus died? How did that happen?"


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