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    #4352
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Morag wrote: »
    Silvio.Dante are you familiar with the doctrine of original sin or not?

    I'm no Theologian Morag. In fact I'm barely Catholic at this stage :D

    Anyway, back to the crimes you reckon these unborn babies have committed to justify their slaughter..?


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    #4353
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    _rebelkid wrote: »
    So the majority of the "Irish Pro Life Movement" is actually just minions for American Business agendas?

    If there is such "fantastic support for pro life in Ireland", why didn't they pay for it? Get them to "donate" a fiver, then see the numbers drop. The Vigil was a fraud. Free buses will get people to do anything.

    There was a collection at the end of the event...:)


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    #4354
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    Mickey Harte :(

    Rally whore!!!


    Nice...


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    #4355
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    kylith wrote: »
    How should she be treated psychiatrically? Should she be insitutionalised so that she can be kept an eye on? Should she be prohibited access to things like coat hangers and knitting needles lest she try to perform an abortion herself? Should she be strapped to a bed lest she try take her own life?

    What about the trauma of childbirth? The agonising decision whether to keep her rapists child or put it up for adoption? What about the post natal depression? Why should a child be forced to go through all that? Why don't you care about children who have already been born?


    Can you please answer a question for me? I have heard that in Irelandthe treatment for ectopic pregnancy is to remove the entire fallopian tube, whereas in other countries an incision is made into the tube and just the foetus removed, with removal of the entire tube only if that is impossible.

    Is that true, and do you know what, if any, implications that could have for a woman's future fertility?

    Committing her should always be an option of her Psychiatrist think its suitable...


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    #4356
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    iguana wrote: »
    Considering that many of yesterday's vigil attendees milled about taking up whole footpaths ensuring that everyone wanting to get past them needed to walk out on the road, in the heavy traffic, I'd say no. I had to make quite the ruckus to get them to make space for me to be able to keep my 10 week old son on the footpath.


    it must have been so traumatic for you...:(


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    #4357
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Committing her should always be an option of her Psychiatrist think its suitable...

    Just so I'm entirely clear on this; you believe that a woman who is pregnant and doesn't wish to be, to the point of self harm, should be locked up in an institution?


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    #4358
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    swampgas wrote: »

    Of course the intention is to save the mother,


    Exactly...


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    #4359
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    kylith wrote: »
    Just so I'm entirely clear on this; you believe that a woman who is pregnant and doesn't wish to be, to the point of self harm, should be locked up in an institution?

    You say this is if it doesn't happen already to people, men and women, pregnant and not pregnant...


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    #4360
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    What a night...:





    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syLHwUyFe64


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    #4361
    swampgas
    Registered Users Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭swampgas


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    You say this is if it doesn't happen already to people, men and women, pregnant and not pregnant...

    That sounds like a yes to me. So you think there are some circumstances where a woman should be confined if she's pregnant and considering an abortion?


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    #4362
    swampgas
    Registered Users Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭swampgas


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Exactly...

    Well done evading the issue. Or was avoiding the issue an unavoidable accidental consequence of your intention to try to score points on an internet forum?


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    #4363
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Mickey Harte........... first the Quinns, and now this.
    Dude's gonna be full of fleas from all that lying down.


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    #4364
    iguana
    Registered Users Posts: 12,916 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    it must have been so traumatic for you...:(


    Keep it up sunshine, all you are doing is proving just how little of an actual shít pro-lifers give about babies. Taking up so much of a footpath that babies in prams are expected to walk in heavy traffic is endangering the life of babies. Babies, who unlike foetuses, are actual, genuine babies.

    The irony of walking past a crowd of people carrying signs depicting a mother and baby and the words 'Love them both' while struggling to keep my own baby safe due to their self-entitlement would have been delicious if I hadn't actually been struggling to keep my baby safe.


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    #4365
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    swampgas wrote: »
    That sounds like a yes to me. So you think there are some circumstances where a woman should be confined if she's pregnant and considering an abortion?


    Clearly I am saying yes, in the circumstances you have outlined. No brainer actually...


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    #4366
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    mikom wrote: »
    Mickey Harte........... first the Quinns, and now this.
    Dude's gonna be full of fleas from all that lying down.


    How 'Liberal' of you...:D


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    #4367
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »


    Clearly I am saying yes, in the circumstances you have outlined. No brainer actually...
    Why do you think a 14 year old child who's been raped should be detained against her will and endure forced pregnancy and birth? Do you think the right to travel should be repealed?


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    #4368
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    iguana wrote: »
    Keep it up sunshine, all you are doing is proving just how little of an actual shít pro-lifers give about babies. Taking up so much of a footpath that babies in prams are expected to walk in heavy traffic is endangering the life of babies. Babies, who unlike foetuses, are actual, genuine babies.

    The irony of walking past a crowd of people carrying signs depicting a mother and baby and the words 'Love them both' while struggling to keep my own baby safe due to their self-entitlement would have been delicious if I hadn't actually been struggling to keep my baby safe.

    I do hope no permanent scars remain for you. :rolleyes:

    I do hope you followed the...:



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEssgMQ1O_k


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    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    lazygal wrote: »
    Why do you think a 14 year old child who's been raped should be detained against her will and endure forced pregnancy and birth? Do you think the right to travel should be repealed?

    If any citizen is in danger of self harm then committal should always be an option available to the Psychiatric services...


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    #4370
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Clearly I am saying yes, in the circumstances you have outlined. No brainer actually...

    Should we put them somewhere they can work to off-set the cost of their care? An institution that provides a laundry service perhaps? Would that also be a no-brainer?


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    #4371
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »

    If any citizen is in danger of self harm then committal should always be an option available to the Psychiatric services...
    So you support detaining pregnant children who've been raped in case they want to travel for an abortion. Do you think women not at risk of self harm should be detained and forced to remain pregnant?


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    #4372
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Should we put them somewhere they can work to off-set the cost of their care? An institution that provides a laundry service perhaps? Would that also be a no-brainer?

    Absolutely not.

    I for one, am hapy for my taxes to contribute to Public Psychiatric care. Are you..?


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    #4373
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,798 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    If any citizen is in danger of self harm then committal should always be an option available to the Psychiatric services...

    abortion is not self-harm, it's a medical procedure. and I really doubt any medical professional would ever consider imprisoning pregnant women because they are considering having an abortion. You really want to punish women that have medical reasons for an abortion, such as ectopic pregnancies?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #4374
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    lazygal wrote: »
    So you support detaining pregnant children who've been raped in case they want to travel for an abortion. Do you think women not at risk of self harm should be detained and forced to remain pregnant?

    Where have I said that..?


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    #4375
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Absolutely not.

    I for one, am hapy for my taxes to contribute to Public Psychiatric care. Are you..?

    Not for incarcerating pregnant women for no other reason that they do not wish to be pregnant - no.


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    #4376
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »

    Absolutely not.

    I for one, am hapy for my taxes to contribute to Public Psychiatric care. Are you..?
    I'm happy for my taxes to pay for normal medical procedures like abortion and termination, whatever spin you put on it, so no woman or child is forced to remain pregnant against their will. But then I care about the born first and foremost, like most normal people.


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    #4377
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    koth wrote: »
    abortion is not self-harm, it's a medical procedure. and I really doubt any medical professional would ever consider imprisoning pregnant women because they are considering having an abortion. You really want to punish women that have medical reasons for an abortion, such as ectopic pregnancies?

    Firstly committal should always be, and is, an option for someone who is in danger of self harm.

    Secondly, termination of pregnancy is practiced in Irish hospitals today when an ectopic situation arises. Didn't the Daly/Bacik Axis tell you this..?


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    #4378
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »

    Where have I said that..?
    You believe in detaining raped children who are pregnant and suicidal instead of offering abortion. Do you believe otherwise?


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    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Not for incarcerating pregnant women for no other reason that they do not wish to be pregnant - no.

    I'll leave that to the Psychiatric profession to decide...


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    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    lazygal wrote: »
    You believe in detaining raped children who are pregnant and suicidal instead of offering abortion. Do you believe otherwise?


    Committal isn't always exercised AFAIK but of couse it should be available if the Psychiatrist deems it to be necessary...


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    #4381
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,798 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Firstly committal should always be, and is, an option for someone who is in danger of self harm.
    agreed. so committing someone in danger of self-harm is a red-herring as an abortion is not classified as self-harm.
    Secondly, termination of pregnancy is practiced in Irish hospitals today when an ectopic situation arises. Didn't the Daly/Bacik Axis tell you this..?

    yes, you have already stated those abortions occur. and you've yet again deflected from the consequences of your idea of imprisoning those women for considering (not having mind you) an abortion.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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