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    #4472
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    How anyone can suggest that a woman who is suicidal because she is pregnant after being raped should be detained in a psychiatric institution to prevent her having an abortion.

    Where have I said that?

    The reason you're feeling sick can be immediately cured if you actually read my posts second time round...:)


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    #4473
    swampgas
    Registered Users Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭swampgas


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Thank you for sharing.

    Your contribution confirms for me the necessity that all psychiatric care be available to women at risk...

    Now that's remarkably insensitive. You really really don't get it. You don't even get how much you don't get it.


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    #4474
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    What are your thoughts on male masterbation Silvio?.

    I'd have never got through my teenage years without it...:D


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    #4475
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,798 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Where have I said that?

    The reason you're feeling sick can be immediately cured if you actually read my posts second time round...:)

    You've said as much in your own posts.
    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    swampgas wrote: »
    That sounds like a yes to me. So you think there are some circumstances where a woman should be confined if she's pregnant and considering an abortion?

    Clearly I am saying yes, in the circumstances you have outlined. No brainer actually...
    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Committal should be one of the treatment options available depending on how the pregnant victim is presenting, psychiatrically...

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #4476
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Thank you for sharing.

    Your contribution confirms for me the necessity that all psychiatric care be available to women at risk...


    Even though Noodleworm made it abundantly clear in her post that many medications cannot be taken during pregnancy due to their possible effect on developing fetuses.

    Hint: Most psychiatric care involves taking medication of some sort.

    Thus: women with ongoing mental health issues will likely have to stop taking their medication during pregnancy and thus face very serious consequences as a result.

    But that doesn't fit your weird narrative so you'll just ignore it as usual.


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    #4477
    iguana
    Registered Users Posts: 12,916 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    loveisdivine wrote: »
    Just reading back through the last few pages and I can't take any of silvios posts seriously, what with all the winks and smiley faces.

    As usual, when questioned, there's no real response or debate just more one liners.

    I'm starting to think we're being well and truly Poed.


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    #4478
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    iguana wrote: »
    I'm starting to think we're being well and truly Poed.

    I'm afraid not, unless it's at least a nine month plus, long game poe if you look at previous posts about abortion.

    :(


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    #4479
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    iguana wrote: »
    I'm starting to think we're being well and truly Poed.

    Ditto.


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    #4480
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante




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    #4481
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    iguana wrote: »
    I'm starting to think we're being well and truly Poed.


    That's what I though and tried (delicately) to ask. How can anyone have such very restrictive views which would seriously affect real people and yet treat the whole thing as an extended joke?

    Weirdly I do hope it's a failure to communicate tone over the internet, because the alternative is that we have someone here who thinks it is a huge joke to be callously flippant about the rights of millions of irish women. Pro- or anti- choice, at least treat it as if it is an important question, not just an internet points scoring exercise.


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    #4482
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    If the mother's life is in danger then a termination should be carried out,and indeed is...


    You might stop acting the bollocks and answer the question in the scenario put to you.

    What is the objection to terminating a pregnancy that is unviable/miscarrying? A detailed answer please.


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    #4483
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    koth wrote: »
    You've said as much in your own posts.


    To clarify. Committal where a Psychiatrist thinks it best to prevent the threat of self harm...


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    #4484
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    B0jangles wrote: »
    Even though Noodleworm made it abundantly clear in her post that many medications cannot be taken during pregnancy due to their possible effect on developing fetuses.

    Hint: Most psychiatric care involves taking medication of some sort.

    Thus: women with ongoing mental health issues will likely have to stop taking their medication during pregnancy and thus face very serious consequences as a result.

    But that doesn't fit your weird narrative so you'll just ignore it as usual.


    So that means you kill her unborn baby? Hogwash...


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    #4485
    _rebelkid
    Registered Users Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭_rebelkid


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »

    No.1 Video recommendation from that video.


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    #4486
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Nodin wrote: »
    You might stop acting the bollocks and answer the question in the scenario put to you.

    What is the objection to terminating a pregnancy that is unviable/miscarrying? A detailed answer please.

    A word to the wise. Don't always expect to get the answer you demand. Otherwise you'll spend a lot of time putting your toys back in the pram...:)

    Miscarriages happen all the itme, sadly, and when monitored closely by the relevant medical staff terminate thmeselves naturally.

    However if the life of the mother is in danger then clearly an induced termination shuld and is carried out...


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    #4487
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,798 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    They really lower the bar on things that are inspirational if that is to be considered inspirational.

    A truly patronising video that assumes people don't understand that having an abortion means that a woman won't have a child:rolleyes:
    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    To clarify. Committal where a Psychiatrist thinks it best to prevent the threat of self harm...

    so you are changing your mind with regard to imprisoning a pregnant woman who is considering an abortion?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #4488
    The Black Oil
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,419 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Moving on, looks like Enda has been getting some abuse on this issue. Probably from both sides, I would imagine.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0120/kenny-subject-to-abuse-over-abortion-legislation.html

    Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.

    CMod: Entertainment



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    #4489
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    koth wrote: »


    so you are changing your mind with regard to imprisoning a pregnant woman who is considering an abortion?


    I've been consistant on this from the start dude.

    Re-read my posts for clarification..:)


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    #4490
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    The Black Oil wrote: »
    Moving on, looks like Enda has been getting some abuse on this issue. Probably from both sides, I would imagine.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0120/kenny-subject-to-abuse-over-abortion-legislation.html[/QUOTE]

    So Enda's been compared to a King eh..?

    He should spend a day online as an advocate for Life...:)


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    #4491
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    So that means you kill her unborn baby? Hogwash...

    Should she sacrifice her own long-term mental health to save a potential person?

    No terrible jokes, dodges or "..." answers please


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    #4492
    _rebelkid
    Registered Users Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭_rebelkid


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    So Enda's been compared to a King eh..?

    Way to de-contextualise a noun there.

    Anyone else notice all of this flack is coming from the self proclaimed "democratic and dignified" pro life groups?


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    #4493
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    A word to the wise. Don't always expect to get the answer you demand. Otherwise you'll spend a lot of time putting your toys back in the pram...:)

    Miscarriages happen all the itme, sadly, and when monitored closely by the relevant medical staff terminate thmeselves naturally.

    However if the life of the mother is in danger then clearly an induced termination shuld and is carried out...

    O look, more evasive nonsense. I'm just looking for an answer at this stage.

    And you wouldn't terminate them earlier to ease any ill-effect on the mother why exactly?


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    #4494
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,798 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    I've been consistant on this from the start dude.

    Re-read my posts for clarification..:)

    No you haven't you said that a pregnant woman considering an abortion should be imprisoned. Then you changed it to women who are considering self-harm, whatever that ambiguous term means:confused:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #4495
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    B0jangles wrote: »
    Should she sacrifice her own long-term mental health to save a potential person?

    No terrible jokes, dodges or "..." answers please

    Killing her baby is totally unjustified in such circumstnces. No dodging here buddy.

    She should however have access to every help offered by the Mental Health services...


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    #4496
    _rebelkid
    Registered Users Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭_rebelkid


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Killing her baby is totally unjustified in such circumstnces.

    A clarification.
    Baby:Noun
    A very young child, esp. one newly or recently born.

    No one is terminating newly born babies.


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    #4497
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    _rebelkid wrote: »
    Way to de-contextualise a noun there.

    Anyone else notice all of this flack is coming from the self proclaimed "democratic and dignified" pro life groups?


    It wasn't me. I compared him to Mao but he thought I meant...:


    4831455855181046.jpg


    Bless him...:D


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    #4498
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Killing her baby is totally unjustified in such circumstnces. No dodging here buddy.

    She should however have access to every help offered by the Mental Health services...

    Apart from such services that involve administering medication that might be damaging to a developing fetus.

    Which effectively means extremely limited circumstances.


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    #4499
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Nodin wrote: »
    O look, more evasive nonsense. I'm just looking for an answer at this stage.

    And you wouldn't terminate them earlier to ease any ill-effect on the mother why exactly?

    Them toys are getting a fair old battering...;)

    Terminations should only ovvur when the life of the mother is in danger, in my view.

    there is grave danger of floodgates being opened if we legislate in a way you describe. Not on my watch...


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    #4500
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    koth wrote: »
    No you haven't you said that a pregnant woman considering an abortion should be imprisoned.


    Show me the direct quote...


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    #4501
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    B0jangles wrote: »
    Apart from such services that involve administering medication that might be damaging to a developing fetus.

    Which effectively means extremely limited circumstances.
    No life saving medication should be denied any pregnant woman, to clarify...:)


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