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    #4502
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Them toys are getting a fair old battering...;)

    Terminations should only ovvur when the life of the mother is in danger, in my view.

    there is grave danger of floodgates being opened if we legislate in a way you describe. Not on my watch...

    emmmm....how can the "floodgates" open, when you're talking about pregnancies that are unviable....?


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    #4503
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Them toys are getting a fair old battering...;)

    Terminations should only ovvur when the life of the mother is in danger, in my view.

    there is grave danger of floodgates being opened if we legislate in a way you describe. Not on my watch...

    So sacrificing the mother's mental health is fine as long as the baby is fine..... How isn't this logic warped? :confused:
    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    No life saving medication should be denied any pregnant woman, to clarify...:)

    A decline in mental health is as debilitating as any terminal illness. It can result in death if it remains untreated and drugs are necessary on many occasions .....


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    #4504
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Nigh on 20 pages now and still not one little ost expressing any concern or regret for babies massacred in the womb. Very cold and insensitive place, this...:(


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    #4505
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Nodin wrote: »
    emmmm....how can the "floodgates" open, when you're talking about pregnancies that are unviable....?


    You sanction abortion in one circumstance and you have the thin end of the wedge in the door and let the blood letting commence...


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    #4506
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    So sacrificing the mother's mental health is fine as long as the baby is fine..... How isn't this logic warped? :confused:



    A decline in mental health is as debilitating as any terminal illness. It can result in death if it remains untreated and drugs are necessary on many occasions .....


    Your alternative is to kill her innocent unborn baby. Yes, kill. And you call me warped. Irony much..?


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    #4507
    swampgas
    Registered Users Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭swampgas


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Them toys are getting a fair old battering...;)

    Terminations should only ovvur when the life of the mother is in danger, in my view.

    there is grave danger of floodgates being opened if we legislate in a way you describe. Not on my watch...

    The "floodgates" opened a long time ago - ever since abortion became accessible to Irish women in the UK. However you would block access to medical terminations (say for women with fatal foetal abnormalities) because of some spurious argument about floodgates. Pretty weak argument, to be honest.


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    #4508
    _rebelkid
    Registered Users Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭_rebelkid


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Nigh on 20 pages now and still not one little ost expressing any concern or regret for babies massacred in the womb. Very cold and insensitive place, this...:(

    They're not being massacred. They are not babies. Superlatives and emotional nouns don't form an argument.

    This is not cold or insensitive, but your view is clouded with foetus fetish.


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    #4509
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,798 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Show me the direct quote...

    I already showed you it in the last hour, but since you seem to unaware of what you're posting, here it is again:
    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    swampgas wrote: »
    That sounds like a yes to me. So you think there are some circumstances where a woman should be confined if she's pregnant and considering an abortion?

    Clearly I am saying yes, in the circumstances you have outlined. No brainer actually...

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #4510
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    You sanction abortion in one circumstance and you have the thin end of the wedge in the door and let the blood letting commence...

    That bit of rhetoric doesn't really answer the point though. The big fear is abortion on demand and the termination of viable pregnancies. I don't understand the objection to early termination of non/unviable pregnancies on either moral grounds or with regard to what you referred to above.

    I might also point out that we are going to have abortion in certain circumstances legislated for in the very near future.


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    #4511
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Killing her baby is totally unjustified in such circumstnces. No dodging here buddy.

    She should however have access to every help offered by the Mental Health services...

    Actually I beg to differ. Rebel kid has just provided a definition of a baby and yes, I agree with you that killing her baby would be unjustified under such circumstances. However aborting her foetus would not!


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    #4512
    _rebelkid
    Registered Users Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭_rebelkid


    koth wrote: »
    I already showed you it in the last hour, but since you seem to unaware of what you're posting, here it is again:

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    #4513
    Morag
    Registered Users Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Straight out of the Choice Ireland propaganda office...:rolleyes:

    Gods your funny, choice ireland office, they wish they had an office.


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    #4514
    _rebelkid
    Registered Users Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭_rebelkid


    Morag wrote: »
    Gods your funny, choice ireland office, they wish they had an office.

    If only the Americans would so kindly donate funds for an office... and maybe a fleet of buses... and giant plasmas... and flight costs... sound familiar? :P


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    #4515
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    swampgas wrote: »
    The "floodgates" opened a long time ago - ever since abortion became accessible to Irish women in the UK. However you would block access to medical terminations (say for women with fatal foetal abnormalities) because of some spurious argument about floodgates. Pretty weak argument, to be honest.


    It works for me and quite frankly I'm not keen on taking the risk. Neither is Enda as it turns out...:)


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    #4516
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    _rebelkid wrote: »
    They're not being massacred. They are not babies. Superlatives and emotional nouns don't form an argument.

    This is not cold or insensitive, but your view is clouded with foetus fetish.


    You make my point quite brlliantly...:(


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    #4517
    Morag
    Registered Users Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    It works for me and quite frankly I'm not keen on taking the risk. Neither is Enda as it turns out...:)

    By that rational there should not be any cars on the road cos people speed and drink drive and kill people.


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    #4518
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    Ah this one has to be trolling. No thinking person would portray their cause in such a bad light!


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    #4519
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,417 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Nigh on 20 pages now and still not one little ost expressing any concern or regret for babies massacred in the womb. Very cold and insensitive place, this...:(
    Not a pleasant "ost" -- do try to engage Silvio with your fellow-posters rather than just posting random sentences that contribute nothing to anybody.


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    #4520
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    koth wrote: »
    I already showed you it in the last hour, but since you seem to unaware of what you're posting, here it is again:

    Our discussion was concentrated on women who were in danger of self harm and it was clearly in that context that commital should be a viable option for medical professionals. Happy to clarify, yet again...:)


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    #4521
    _rebelkid
    Registered Users Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭_rebelkid


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    You make my point quite brlliantly...:(

    Baffling doesn't come within a light year.....


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    #4522
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Killing her baby is totally unjustified in such circumstnces. No dodging here buddy.

    She should however have access to every help offered by the Mental Health services...

    That is a dodge and you know it.

    If she cannot take her medication because it might damage the fetus the she has to choose between her own health and that of the fetus.

    Which should be paramount in your opinion?


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    #4523
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Nodin wrote: »
    That bit of rhetoric doesn't really answer the point though. The big fear is abortion on demand and the termination of viable pregnancies. I don't understand the objection to early termination of non/unviable pregnancies on either moral grounds or with regard to what you referred to above.

    I might also point out that we are going to have abortion in certain circumstances legislated for in the very near future.


    The more restrictions in place the better for future Irish babies in the womb...


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    #4524
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Morag wrote: »
    Gods your funny, choice ireland office, they wish they had an office.


    Sorry, I meant phonebox...;)

    infairness they did manage 170 stalwarts last night with such eloquent posters as "My C*nt, My Choice".
    Though the asterix was replace witha u..:(


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    #4525
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Morag wrote: »
    By that rational there should not be any cars on the road cos people speed and drink drive and kill people.

    Do expand please..?


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    #4526
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    The more restrictions in place the better for future Irish babies in the womb...

    More vague waffle and bullshit.


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    #4527
    swampgas
    Registered Users Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭swampgas


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    It works for me and quite frankly I'm not keen on taking the risk.

    Unfortunately it will be Irish women, not you, who will be forced to take risks - risks to their physical and mental health, and risks to their life.

    It's a pity you are so happy to inflict those risks when you can't be arsed to give a decent justification for your position. Frankly, I think your attitude to women is pretty appalling.


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    #4528
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    B0jangles wrote: »
    That is a dodge and you know it.

    If she cannot take her medication because it might damage the fetus the she has to choose between her own health and that of the fetus.

    Which should be paramount in your opinion?


    no meds should be withdrawn if that results in her life being in danger...


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    #4529
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    swampgas wrote: »
    Frankly, I think your attitude to women is pretty appalling.

    Fair enough. I'm not here to convert you...:)


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    #4530
    Morag
    Registered Users Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »


    infairness they did manage 170 stalwarts last night with such eloquent posters as "My C*nt, My Choice".
    Though the asterix was replace witha u..:(

    Choice Ireland didn't organize the counter protest.

    Those that did refused to censor the placards.

    Unlike the slick American funded media machine which was shuffling people around to make those they brought up on buses crowd look bigger and younger.


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    http://ww.wsm.ie/c/turnout-vigil-life-dublin-jan2013


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    #4531
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    no meds should be withdrawn if that results in her life being in danger...

    But this endangers the life of the mother and could result in suicide or obliterating the mental health of the mother for the remainder of her life. You're all for protecting the foetus but have a complete disregard for the life of the mother. Some people seem to be completely ignorant to the importance of the mental(equally as important as physical) health of the living........


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