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    #5492
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    And thankfully we have a third chance to at least delay X being introduced via the Dail vote in the coming months.

    You seem surprised that we're doing our best to have it rejected. A tad naive of you I think...

    I'm surprised that you're proud of trying to delay live saving abortions and democratic process. It's despicable.


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    #5493
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    aloyisious wrote: »
    This report in today's Sunday Independent, if true and correct in all details, show's how out of touch and/or insensitive to the care of women some of our politicians can be/truly are.

    A MAJOR Fine Gael split on abortion is likely to accelerate after the announcement by Health Minister James Reilly that he will bring a memo to Cabinet on abortion legislation next week.

    In a sign of ongoing tensions, the Sunday Independent has learnt that Fine Gael senator Fidelma Healy Eames has sent a letter to all Fine Gael TDs and senators warning that "a free vote is critical on matters of conscience".

    Ms Healy Eames told her colleagues: "We have one of the safest countries in the world in which to have a baby and no doctor at the hearings ever withheld, or knew of any doctor to ever withhold, or refuse, medical treatment to a woman in difficulty in pregnancy in Ireland."

    Originally published in Sunday Independent

    This is very encouraging indeed and shows our efforts are not in vain and our pro life friends in FG are playing their part.

    Game on...


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    #5494
    krankykitty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭krankykitty


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Did you miss the word 'intentionally'..?

    An important mistake on your part I'd suggest. I'm assuming it was a mistake and not deliberate..?

    In Savita's case for one, there was no hope of her unborn child surviving yet she was left to die.

    I think the fact you mention that word "intentionally" means that you have little compassion for any woman who needs lifesaving treatment that will have the side effect of killing her much wanted baby - but without which, both would die. Can you not even imagine for a second what that must feel like? And then to have a pack of ignoramuses going on about protecting life from being killed intentionally :mad:


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    #5495
    krankykitty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭krankykitty


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    This is very encouraging indeed and shows our efforts are not in vain and our pro life friends in FG are playing their part.

    Game on...

    She shouldn't be a legislator if she is bringing personal opinion into the matter.


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    #5496
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    This is very encouraging indeed and shows our efforts are not in vain and our pro life friends in FG are playing their part.

    Game on...

    Is that you, Fidelma? Did you ever pay for that train ticket?


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    #5497
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    lazygal wrote: »
    Is that you, Fidelma? Did you ever pay for that train ticket?

    I'm sure FG will organise a whip round for her ;)


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    #5498
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    krankykitty wrote: »
    I don't think it's naive to be surprised someone is spending so much time and energy on what is a futile matter

    The futility is yet to be shown...:)


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    #5499
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    The futility is yet to be shown...:)

    This makes no sense. :)


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    #5500
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    krankykitty wrote: »
    In Savita's case for one, there was no hope of her unborn child surviving yet she was left to die.

    I think the fact you mention that word "intentionally" means that you have little compassion for any woman who needs lifesaving treatment that will have the side effect of killing her much wanted baby - but without which, both would die. Can you not even imagine for a second what that must feel like? And then to have a pack of ignoramuses going on about protecting life from being killed intentionally :mad:


    Termination of pregnancies are carried out in Irish hospitals to save maternal life already. Sadly many of these procedures result in the unintentional death f the baby...

    X will change this situation fundamentally and thats why we are doing our best to have it rejected in the Dail...


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    #5501
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    krankykitty wrote: »
    She shouldn't be a legislator if she is bringing personal opinion into the matter.

    Go ahead and impeach her...:D


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    #5502
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Termination of pregnancies Abortions are carried out in Irish hospitals to save maternal life already. Sadly many of these procedures result in the unintentional death f the baby...

    X will change this situation fundamentally and thats why we are doing our best to have it rejected in the Dail...


    Fixed your post...:)


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    #5503
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    lazygal wrote: »
    Is that you, Fidelma? Did you ever pay for that train ticket?


    :D

    She deserves free rail travel for life if she can influence her FG colleagues to reject X...;)


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    #5504
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Termination of pregnancies are carried out in Irish hospitals to save maternal life already. Sadly many of these procedures result in the unintentional death f the baby...

    So some of them don't?


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    #5505
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    lazygal wrote: »
    Fixed your post...:)


    Ta...:pac:


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    #5506
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Lingua Franca wrote: »
    So some of them don't?

    Correct...


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    #5507
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Ta...:pac:

    So you agree that abortion and termination of pregnancy are the same....? :)


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    #5508
    Galvasean
    Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    :D

    She deserves free rail travel for life if she can influence her FG colleagues to reject X...;)

    Why do you have so much contempt for the law?


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    #5509
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Correct...

    :confused:


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    #5510
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    lazygal wrote: »
    So you agree that abortion and termination of pregnancy are the same....? :)


    Abortion certainly terminates pregnancies.

    Intent is what counts though...:)


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    #5511
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    Only some of them, according to you.


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    #5512
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Why do you have so much contempt for the law?


    I wonder if P.W. Botha thought the same about the ani-Apartheid movement...


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    #5513
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    Wow. Comparing the pro life movement and what you want to do to women to the anti apartheid movement is surely hitting a new low.


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    #5514
    swampgas
    Registered Users Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭swampgas


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    X will change this situation fundamentally and thats why we are doing our best to have it rejected in the Dail...

    Would you mind explaining how you think X will change anything fundamentally? As far as I can see the X case legislation will make no difference at all in practical terms.


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    #5515
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Lingua Franca wrote: »
    Wow. Comparing the pro life movement and what you want to do to women to the anti apartheid movement is surely hitting a new low.

    New low?

    Intentionally killing unborn babies. Now thats low...


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    #5516
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,798 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    I wonder if P.W. Botha thought the same about the ani-Apartheid movement...

    That's quite amusing considering that you want to ignore the democratic process, essentially not recognising the validity of voting and supreme court judgements. Much like the Apartheid folk decided to ignore the democratic rights of a group of people. Your political leanings on this thread would put closer to them rather than the anti-Apartheid folk.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #5517
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    swampgas wrote: »
    Would you mind explaining how you think X will change anything fundamentally? As far as I can see the X case legislation will make no difference at all in practical terms.

    Very simple.

    The thin end of the wedge whereby a claim of suicide will be considered in allowing an unborn baby to be exterminated.

    Once that rubicon is crossed the fllodgates will open...


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    #5518
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    New low?

    Intentionally killing unborn babies. Now thats low...

    Ah sure some of them survive, don't they?


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    #5519
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    koth wrote: »
    That's quite amusing considering that you want to ignore the democratic process, essentially not recognising the validity of voting and supreme court judgements. Much like the Apartheid folk decided to ignore the democratic rights of a group of people. Your political leanings on this thread would put closer to them rather than the anti-Apartheid folk.

    And not one mention of the Right to life of unborn babies.

    A recurring theme in this thread from our Atheist friends..:(


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    #5520
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »

    New low?

    Intentionally killing unborn babies. Now thats low...
    Babies aren't killed. Pregnancy that, for example, threatens the life of a suicidal 14 year old rape victim, will be terminated.


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    #5521
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Lingua Franca wrote: »
    Ah sure some of them survive, don't they?

    How many babies have survived a visit to a Marie Stopes Clinic..?


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