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    #5762
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Morag wrote: »
    The money they get is already allocated and they won't be diverting those funds into a separate campaign.
    They shouldn't be getting a penny in the ifrst place...:mad:


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    #5763
    28064212
    Registered Users Posts: 10,634 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    They shouldn't be getting a penny in the ifrst place...:mad:
    Our mission is to achieve women's equality and empower women to work together to remove inequalities.
    I know, what a bunch of utter bastards

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    #5764
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    28064212 wrote: »
    I know, what a bunch of utter bastards

    Exactly. As a christian country, women should either accept their second class status or move somewhere else.


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    #5765
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    Exactly. As a christian country, women should either accept their second class status or move somewhere else.

    Equality sounds like something those godless folks in Europe would make us follow.


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    #5766
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    28064212 wrote: »
    I know, what a bunch of utter bastards

    They have no qualms about advocaiting for aborting female unborn babies... Thats equality NWC style for ya...


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    #5767
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    Exactly. As a christian country, women should either accept their second class status or move somewhere else.

    What second class status..?


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    #5768
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,798 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    They have no qualms about advocaiting for aborting female unborn babies... Thats equality NWC style for ya...

    Link to source that the NWC advocate for aborting female babies? As if a womens group would even consider such a thing:rolleyes:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #5769
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    They have no qualms about advocaiting for aborting female unborn babies... Thats equality NWC style for ya...

    [Citation needed]


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    #5770
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    What second class status..?
    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    They shouldn't be getting a penny in the ifrst place...:mad:

    Oh, and let's not forget:
    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Gay 'marriage' is a very rare phenomenon. The vast majority of countries have no such concept in their legislative books.

    I suggest we give it 50-75 year to see how it goes in countries where its been introduced and we see then if its for us or not...

    By this logic, women should have only got the vote in the 1970s!


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    #5771
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Oh, and let's not forget:


    By this logic, women should have only got the vote in the 1970s!

    We only got to keep working after marriage in the 1970s, and only then because Europe made us.


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    #5772
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    koth wrote: »
    Link to source that the NWC advocate for aborting female babies? As if a womens group would even consider such a thing:rolleyes:


    Direct quote..:

    The IFPA is committed to an Ireland where there is full access to high quality information, education and health services regarding sex, sexuality, conception, contraception, safe abortion and sexually transmitted infections.


    http://www.nwci.ie/members/memberslist/irish-family-planning-association/


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    #5773
    The Mad Hatter
    Registered Users Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Direct quote..:

    The IFPA is committed to an Ireland where there is full access to high quality information, education and health services regarding sex, sexuality, conception, contraception, safe abortion and sexually transmitted infections.


    http://www.nwci.ie/members/memberslist/irish-family-planning-association/

    Sounds good to me.


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    #5774
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,798 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Direct quote..:

    The IFPA is committed to an Ireland where there is full access to high quality information, education and health services regarding sex, sexuality, conception, contraception, safe abortion and sexually transmitted infections.


    http://www.nwci.ie/members/memberslist/irish-family-planning-association/

    Thank you for showing that you deliberately misrepresented the NWC and their stance on abortion. It clearly doesn't endorse abortion of only female babies.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #5775
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    The Mad Hatter wrote: »
    Sounds good to me.

    I'm sure it does :(

    However it confirms my original point that the NWC is advocating for the intentional killing of female unborn babies. Equality? Yeah right...:rolleyes:


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    #5776
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    koth wrote: »
    Thank you showing that you deliberately misrepresented the NWC and their stance on abortion. It clearly doesn't endorse abortion of only female babies.


    I didn't say 'only'. Please read my posts more carefully in future...


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    #5777
    Flier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 345 ✭✭Flier


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    They have no qualms about advocaiting for aborting female unborn babies... Thats equality NWC style for ya...


    They do not advocate aborting female unborn babies. Please read your own posts more carefully before posting.


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    #5778
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,798 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    I didn't say 'only'. Please read my posts more carefully in future...

    You only stated that they advocate for female babies to be aborted. It's not unreasonable to presume you were implying only female are to be aborted if the NWC were listened to.

    The actually advocate for safe abortions, they make no statement about the gender of the foetus being a determining factor as to whether the abortion should go ahead.

    It's bottom of the barrel stuff you're attempting with what you posted.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #5779
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Flier wrote: »
    They do not advocate aborting female unborn babies. Please read your own posts more carefully before posting.

    I stand over my contention and they back me up with their own words...:)


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    #5780
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    koth wrote: »
    You only stated that they advocate for female babies to be aborted. It's not unreasonable to presume you were implying only female are to be aborted if the NWC were listened to.

    The actually advocate for safe abortions, they make no statement about the gender of the foetus being a determining factor as to whether the abortion should go ahead.

    It's bottom of the barrel stuff you're attempting with what you posted.


    Hmmm. They are happy to support killing female unborns and you accuse me of being bottom of the barrel. Go figure...:rolleyes:


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    #5781
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,798 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    I stand over my contention and they back me up with their own words...:)
    No, they don't. Please stop telling fibs.
    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Direct quote..:

    The IFPA is committed to an Ireland where there is full access to high quality information, education and health services regarding sex, sexuality, conception, contraception, safe abortion and sexually transmitted infections.


    http://www.nwci.ie/members/memberslist/irish-family-planning-association/

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #5782
    Flier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 345 ✭✭Flier


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    I stand over my contention and they back me up with their own words...:)

    Look Silvio, I'm not going to waste my time explaining the nuances of the English language to you. If you have a problem with your use of it, I suggest you do some more study before bothering us with your lack of understanding in the future. I really think enough time has been wasted on you already.


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    #5783
    Sin City
    Registered Users Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭Sin City


    helenlovejoy.jpg


    Seriously though some of the stuff I am reading is shameful and wrong.
    One of the anti abortionists (Which I would side with) seems to have a hard on for Jesus or something as he is sprouting some complete sh**e


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    #5784
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,798 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Hmmm. They are happy to support killing female unborns and you accuse me of being bottom of the barrel. Go figure...:rolleyes:

    Your own posts contradict what you have posted above. Deliberate misrepresentation of your opponents is a cheap and dishonest tactic in a discussion, that's why you're scraping the bottom of the barrel.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #5785
    The Mad Hatter
    Registered Users Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    I'm sure it does :(

    However it confirms my original point that the NWC is advocating for the intentional killing of female unborn babies. Equality? Yeah right...:rolleyes:

    They're not babies.


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    #5786
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    koth wrote: »
    Your own posts contradict what you have posted above. Deliberate misrepresentation of your opponents is a cheap and dishonest tactic in a discussion, that's why you're scraping the bottom of the barrel.


    the NWC are the ones condoning the intentional killing of unborn female babies. Not me...


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    #5787
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,798 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    I didn't say 'only'. Please read my posts more carefully in future...

    Considering I've pointed out that your posts are implying that the NWC want to abort pregnancies that are determined to be female, I'm surprised you'd post such a clanger.
    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    the NWC are the ones condoning the intentional killing of unborn female babies. Not me...

    They're only advocating for safe abortions, not that you're interested. Feel free to resume the misrepresentation.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #5788
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Entrenched warfare is back.

    Enough already. Silvio, we know we here you stand on the NWC and we also know what people think of that stance. We don't need any more down this rabbit hole.

    Move on everyone.


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    #5789
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,798 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Sorry, Dades :o

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #5790
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Posts deleted. Do not feed.


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    #5791
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,417 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    aloyisious wrote: »
    The German Catholic Hospitals' Association hailed Cardinal Meisner's statement for spelling out what they can do for rape victims.
    The German Catholic Hospitals' Association may have hailed too soon. A catholic doctor has claimed that Meisner's words "were manipulated"

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/cardinal-meisners-contraception-statement-was-manipulated
    CNA wrote:
    Rome, Italy, Feb 7, 2013 / 12:30 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- News stories declaring that Cardinal Meisner will allow the “morning-after” pill for rape victims were the result of his words being manipulated and scientists giving him inaccurate information about the drug, according to a leading physician. “It seems that the cardinal’s words were manipulated,” Doctor Jose Maria Simon Castellvi told CNA Feb. 7.

    “In any case, the morning-after pill works as an anti-implantation product in 70 percent of the cases where the woman is fertile,” said Dr. Simon, president of the World Federation of Catholic Medical Associations. Cardinal Meisner of Cologne, Germany was drawn into the discussion about the morning-after pill after a story surfaced in the local press about a 25-year-old woman who walked into an emergency room and told the attending physician that she thought she was drugged and possibly sexually assaulted at a party the night before.

    The doctor on call, Irmgard Maiworm, said she called two separate Catholic hospitals that were nearby and asked if they would admit the woman. Dr. Maiworm said that both of them refused to admit her, since the prescribed course of treatment would involve using the morning-after pill, known in the U.S. as Plan B. The German public reacted strongly to reports about the incident, and Cardinal Meisner issued a Jan. 22 apology in which he said it was shameful for a Catholic hospital to refuse treatment to a rape victim.

    Cardinal Meisner subsequently met with medical experts about the morning-after pill and they told him the latest research indicated the drug does not have anti-implantation effects. After that meeting, Cardinal Meisner issued a Jan. 31 statement in which he said that if “a medication that hinders conception is used after a rape with the purpose of avoiding fertilization, then this is acceptable in my view.”

    His statement was widely interpreted by the press as giving permission for Catholic hospitals to dispense Plan B to rape victims.

    But the study presented to the cardinal was one that was coauthored by Kristina Gemzell-Danielsson, who acknowledges at the end of the paper that she “has served on Medical Advisory Boards of HRA- Pharma and Bayer on matters related to emergency contraception.” In his remarks to CNA, Dr. Simon also pointed out that the manufacturer of the morning-after pill says the drug may prevent an embryo from implanting on the uterine wall. “So, we cannot accept it, since even a microscopic human embryo is a person with rights, dignity and a son of God,” he insisted.

    The German bishops’ conference will be holding its annual full assembly in two weeks in Trier, Germany and plans to discuss the matter further.


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