Abortion/ Note Thread Closing Shortly! ! !

Bannasidhe · 10-02-2013 1:49pm

TDs and ministers in the west and midlands will face calls from the pulpit today not to legislate for the X case in a clear sign from the Catholic Church that it intends to ramp up pressure on the Government over abortion.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/church-asks-tds-to-block-x-case-laws-29059182.html

Or to put it another way, priests call for TDs to defy the will of the electorate, tear up the Constitution and stage a Coup de Etate...

Pretty sure extolling people to do this is treason.

Mark Hamill · 10-02-2013 3:31pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/church-asks-tds-to-block-x-case-laws-29059182.html

Or to put it another way, priests call for TDs to defy the will of the electorate, tear up the Constitution and stage a Coup de Etate...

Pretty sure extolling people to do this is treason.

Isn't one of the terms of the Lateran treaty (the treaty that gives the vatican its statehood) that it doesn't interfere with the running with another country's government?

Bannasidhe · 10-02-2013 4:02pm

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Isn't one of the terms of the Lateran treaty (the treaty that gives the vatican its statehood) that it doesn't interfere with the running with another country's government?

As far as I know that only applies between the Vatican and Italy.

Silvio.Dante · 10-02-2013 9:29pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/church-asks-tds-to-block-x-case-laws-29059182.html

Or to put it another way, priests call for TDs to defy the will of the electorate, tear up the Constitution and stage a Coup de Etate...

Pretty sure extolling people to do this is treason.

This is only the beginning. We'll be ramping up our collective campaigns as the vote draws nearer...:)

Delirium · 10-02-2013 9:32pm

Treason is only the beginning?? :eek:

Sarky · 10-02-2013 9:33pm

I can only assume Silvio's working towards a full-blown invasion/occupation scenario. You know, seeing as he hates freedom and justice.

Flier · 10-02-2013 9:42pm

Sarky wrote: »

I can only assume Silvio's working towards a full-blown invasion/occupation scenario. You know, seeing as he hates freedom and justice.

Don't worry - we'll see the Swiss Guards coming a mile off - their stripey fatigues are ****e.

Silvio.Dante · 10-02-2013 9:46pm

Sarky wrote: »

freedom and justice.

How 'just' is an abortion for the unborn victim..?

Delirium · 10-02-2013 9:57pm

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

How 'just' is an abortion for the unborn victim..?

Seemingly it's ok as long as it's not on your doorstep, Mr. Right-To-Travel:rolleyes:

So don't act as if the current situation is just when Ireland is letting other countries carry out the (medically necessary or otherwise) abortions for them.

Silvio.Dante · 10-02-2013 10:00pm

koth wrote: »

Seemingly it's ok as long as it's not on your doorstep, Mr. Right-To-Travel:rolleyes:
.

We can only effect laws in this country.

Now, how 'just' is an abortion for the unborn victim..?

Delirium · 10-02-2013 10:01pm

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

We can only effect laws in this country.

Now, how 'just' is an abortion for the unborn victim..?

The right to travel is cover under Irish legislation

So my point still stands.

Silvio.Dante · 10-02-2013 10:03pm

koth wrote: »

The right to travel is cover under Irish legislation So my point still stands.

We must concentrate on the battle at hand i.e. blocking the introduction of X...:)

Delirium · 10-02-2013 10:05pm

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

We must concentrate on the battle at hand i.e. blocking the introduction of X...:)

well you missed your chance for that, the legislation is currently being drawn up.

_rebelkid · 10-02-2013 11:20pm

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

We must concentrate on the battle at hand i.e. blocking the introduction of X...:)

Well when the American Pro Life dollars build you a time machine, you let us know how stopping X goes.

Galvasean · 10-02-2013 11:44pm

Ssshhh... let them think they can overturn it. This way they'll keep pumping lots of $$$$$ into the Irish economy.

Sarky · 10-02-2013 11:53pm

Also the butthurt when the legislation comes through. Oh my, but the schadenfreude will be sweet. Dave Quinn's face will probably melt off, revealing the metallic frame and electronics beneath...

PopePalpatine · 11-02-2013 12:09am

You're ruining The Terminator for me.

MrPudding · 11-02-2013 12:25am

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

We can only effect laws in this country.

True. But those laws can, and do, extend to the behaviour of citizens of this state in other countries. So, you actually have options here. You could make travel for an abortion illegal, this does not effect laws of another state. Your other option would be to prosecute women who had an abortion in another state. This, again, could be accomplished without trying to change the laws of another state.

Why are you not trying to do either of these things.

MrP

Lingua Franca · 11-02-2013 12:39am

70% of the population believe X should be legislated for. 79% believe abortion should be legal for fatal foetal abnormalities, and 60% believe in a woman's right to choose.

The Mad Hatter · 11-02-2013 12:59am

PopePalpatine wrote: »

You're ruining The Terminator for me.

It's only The Terminator when the killing is an unfortunate side effect:(

stanley 2 · 11-02-2013 4:22am

Bannasidhe wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/church-asks-tds-to-block-x-case-laws-29059182.html

Or to put it another way, priests call for TDs to defy the will of the electorate, tear up the Constitution and stage a Coup de Etate...

Pretty sure extolling people to do this is treason.

no more trason than when the catholic bishops in germany asked there people to reject hitlers brave new world

Lingua Franca · 11-02-2013 7:41am

[citation needed]

Doctor Strange · 11-02-2013 10:11am

stanley 2 wrote: »

no more trason than when the catholic bishops in germany asked there people to reject hitlers brave new world

Right.

Anyway, I expected no less from the RCC. Why would our little laws apply to Mr. Disco Stick in Rome, and his tapeworms over here. :rolleyes:

Bannasidhe · 11-02-2013 11:58am

stanley 2 wrote: »

no more trason than when the catholic bishops in germany asked there people to reject hitlers brave new world

What? These priests?

Or maybe this Papal Nuncio

If these priest were speaking out I bet their boss in Rome wasn't happy with them, here he is in 1933 while still Cardinal Secretary of State Eugenio Pacelli (he became Pope Pius XII in 1939) signing a Concordat between the Vatican State and Nazi Germany...

Jog on Sir - your attempt to Godwin the thread has blown up in your face.

lazygal · 11-02-2013 12:02pm

How are Yoof Defence/Iona/insert other anti choicers going to spin these numbers?

Bobby42 · 11-02-2013 1:20pm

Well, things like evidence, facts, statistics, reality, poll results, maths, all have an inherent liberal bias and can be easily dismissed as liberal propaganda.