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Galvasean

I wanna see the spam...

Turtwig

Galvasean wrote: »

I wanna see the spam...

I can email it to you if like. Just let me know how many copies you want.

Sarky

I think there's at least one carbon copy over yonder with the god-botherers. It's not spam there.

Bannasidhe

Galvasean wrote: »

I wanna see the spam...

Essentially 'Holymarymotherofunbornbaybees we beeeeseeech you oh holymarymotherofbaybeesbornandunborn to...etc etc etc' for ages

Hotblack Desiato

Sounds a bit like a rosary - meditation for catholics. Apparently if you repeat a meaningless form of words often enough it starts to mean something.
Meanwhile the Iona are on Prime Time and VB every week repeating the same old same old.. where did they get their inspiration from? :rolleyes:

Hotblack Desiato

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0428/387000-abortion-legislation/ wrote:

Terminations will only be allowed in public hospitals with safeguards set out and, there will be no licensing of clinics to carry out terminations.

Screw this. State interference in the doctor-patient relationship. Patients have a right to private medicine if they choose, with no state interference. The same thing is being proposed up North now to shut down the Marie Stopes clinic and force women back into the politically docile NHS.

Hotblack Desiato

Sent to my local TDs - 2FG 2 Lab :

Dear Deputy XXX,

I am writing to you to express my deep concern in relation to the reported
proposals for legislation in relation to the X Case.

As you will be aware, the Irish electorate have twice been asked in referendum
to eliminate the entitlement of a pregnant woman, whose life is threatened by
the risk of suicide, to obtain an abortion in this State - and the Irish
electorate have twice rejected these proposals.

The European Court of Human Rights has also determined that Irish women should
have the right to termination of pregnancy where their life is at risk due to
that pregnancy.

The issue is currently being discussed almost exclusively in terms of women at
risk of suicide, however this overlooks the wider issue of risk to life in
general. It appears that the so-called 'pro-life' lobby have been quite
successful in restricting the terms of debate to those of their choosing.
Nonetheless, there remains a constitutional and human rights imperative on the
Irish Government to legislate to respect and vindicate the right to life of
pregnant women.

There is now great concern that a small conservative element within the Fine
Gael party will attempt to derail stated Government policy on this important
issue. This pressure must be resisted at all costs. Along with thousands of
others, my wife and I marched in solidarity and protest following the needless
tragic death of Savita Halappanavar. Although the legislation now proposed
may not in itself have been sufficient to save her life, in particular as it
deals only with the explicit risk to life as opposed to health, it is
nonetheless needed. Never again should we allow the presence or absence of a
foetal heartbeat to determine the course of medical care for a woman faced
with life-threatening illness.

I am most concerned at reports today (Sunday) that (from rte.ie) "Terminations
will only be allowed in public hospitals with safeguards set out and, there
will be no licensing of clinics to carry out terminations." This represents
unwarranted and odious State interference in the doctor-patient relationship,
and is reminiscent of the tactics employed by religious extremists in Northern
Ireland to frustrate the legal rights of women in that jurisdiction. I trust
that no TD of this government will support such unwarranted and unprecedented
restrictions on patients to choose public or private treatment as is their
right.

Yours sincerely,

lazygal

"Forty years after the Supreme Court affirmed a woman’s constitutional right to privacy, including the right to choose, we shouldn’t have to remind people that when it comes to a woman’s health, no politician should get to decide what’s best for you"


Meanwhile, in America Obama said this.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/26/in-speech-to-planned-parenthood-obama-criticizes-new-abortion-laws/?src=rechp

In Ireland, a pregnant woman's health isn't even a factor.

aloyisious

Brian Walsh, TD (FG), say's he back's what Enda Kenny say's, that the life of the pregnant woman is paramount. He would also vote to scrap the 1861 act which makes abortion illegal.

However, he will vote against legislation making abortion legal if it includes a suicide clause, and say's there is clear evidence that suicide should not be a factor in considering allowing abortion. He say's SF is a Pro-Choice party.

lazygal

Just heard him. He obviously uses 'pro choice' as some sort of slur.

B0jangles

GAAAH! Ronan Mullen vs. Claire Daly on Pat Kenny right now - the bloody man simply shouts her down continuously. He really is unbearable, isn't he?

GCU Flexible Demeanour

Just a little Twilight Zone moment

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/kenny-calls-for-calm-as-abortion-debate-becomes-more-fractious-1.1375835

Taoiseach Enda Kenny has appealed for calm in the increasingly fractious debate over imminent abortion legislation, saying people should wait until the draft law is published before passing judgment on it.

Mr Kenny’s remarks yesterday evening in Granada, Spain <...>

Turtwig

That Granada thing can't be a coincidence?:D

Corkfeen

I hope Enda responds to thread because I really want to know what things one can experience in Granada. Although I feel that the thread is making false promises in much the same way as our governments....

Bannasidhe

Corkfeen wrote: »

I hope Enda responds to thread because I really want to know what things one can experience in Granada. Although I feel that the thread is making false promises in much the same way as our governments....

A three course lunch slap in the middle of the city centre for less than 10 euro including beverage... not that Edna..I mean Enda...would know that....

aloyisious

B0jangles wrote: »

GAAAH! Ronan Mullen vs. Claire Daly on Pat Kenny right now - the bloody man simply shouts her down continuously. He really is unbearable, isn't he?

I'd like to see them meet after a few scoops in the Dáil bar

The Black Oil

Heard a rattle on the letterbox half an hour ago. A leaflet from Dublin For Life. No pics of dead babies, etc. This is very much aimed at FG - James Reilly and Alan Farrell in my neck of the woods. The front is Obama poster art style colours, (of the two FG TDs) back is "Will FG be known as the 'Abortion Party'?", then some info about the UK, stats, contact info for the two TDs.

"But Enda Kenny and the Government want to legalise abortion in Ireland on suicide grounds - through all 9 months of pregnancy"...er, OK. (Bold is their doing, btw).

Anyone else get something like this? I'd have a lot of concerns if there was another referendum. The pro life camp would win the ground game for delivering propaganda due to how well funded they are.

Anyway, what can I do? Keep the pressure up via email, or something? I'd scan the leaflet, but my shredder will happily take it.

Lingua Franca

Corkfeen wrote: »

I hope Enda responds to thread because I really want to know what things one can experience in Granada.

Possibly the same kind of things you can experience in the back of a Grenada.

Bannasidhe

Lingua Franca wrote: »

Possibly the same kind of things you can experience in the back of a Grenada.

Gazpacho?

Nodin

Tis here at last......

It is understood that the Heads of the Protection of Maternal Life Bill 2013
being discussed at Cabinet propose three procedures.

One doctor will be required to certify a termination of pregnancy in a
medical emergency.

Two doctors will be required in the case of a non-emergency.

In the case of suicidal ideation, three doctors will be required to certify
that a woman is entitled to a termination of pregnancy.

Warning - link contains graphic picture of a gobshite.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0430/388858-abortion-legislation/

Nodin

Mathews on the rampage, not for the faint of heart, or those holding something delicate.
http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/04/30/it-wrote-itself/

Turtwig

The floodgates have been opened. . .

Nodin

Jernal wrote: »

The floodgates have been opened. . .

....as predicted in the ancient tomes, The Bloodening is upon us.

loveisdivine

Finally! I'm off to go have dirty unprotected sex

Turtwig

Nodin wrote: »

Mathews on the rampage, not for the faint of heart, or those holding something delicate.
http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/04/30/it-wrote-itself/

That guy needs an empathy check.

Galvasean

Nodin wrote: »

Mathews on the rampage, not for the faint of heart, or those holding something delicate.
http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/04/30/it-wrote-itself/

Mathews: “But sure we’re all going to end up dead anyway.”

That's not his final argument is it? Tell me there's more...

Bobby42

I find it quite disturbing that Mathews, or any other "pro life" politician believes that a woman should have absolutely no input into her care if there is a fatal abnormality or if there's a risk to her health.

And he seems quite untroubled by the fact that woman might die because of this. Sickening really, and I'd imagine he'd still hold the moral highground with this opinion.

Is it like he wants men to get even with women, settle a score.

- oh well, us men had to risk our lives down the mines so you women should have to risk your lives with pregnancy.

Bannasidhe

Bobby42 wrote: »

I find it quite disturbing that Mathews, or any other "pro life" politician believes that a woman should have absolutely no input into her care if there is a fatal abnormality or if there's a risk to her health.

And he seems quite untroubled by the fact that woman might die because of this. Sickening really, and I'd imagine he'd still hold the moral highground with this opinion.

Is it like he wants men to get even with women, settle a score.

- oh well, us men had to risk our lives down the mines so you women should have to risk your lives with pregnancy.

Just had my 79 year old mother on the phone ranting.

The gist of it was 'vote against the suicide clause then ye gob****es and tear up the Constitution while ye are about it and we'll start all over again and maybe we will get it right this time. Shower of ***** who ***** and wouldn't know democracy if it ***** ****** in the ****. For **** sake!!!'

kylith

Bobby42 wrote: »

I find it quite disturbing that Mathews, or any other "pro life" politician believes that a woman should have absolutely no input into her care if there is a fatal abnormality or if there's a risk to her health.

And he seems quite untroubled by the fact that woman might die because of this. Sickening really, and I'd imagine he'd still hold the moral highground with this opinion.

Is it like he wants men to get even with women, settle a score.

- oh well, us men had to risk our lives down the mines so you women should have to risk your lives with pregnancy.

He sounds to me like he thinks we should all be suffering under Eve's curse too.

Sofaking depressed after reading that.

jaja321

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Just had my 79 year old mother on the phone ranting.

The gist of it was 'vote against the suicide clause then ye gob****es and tear up the Constitution while ye are about it and we'll start all over again and maybe we will get it right this time. Shower of ***** who ***** and wouldn't know democracy if it ***** ****** in the ****. For **** sake!!!'

I want to give your mother a hug!