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    #9002
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    that why i stated ''termination'' and later in the same post ''destroyed'' please read posts before commenting.
    Perhaps not 'brainless' but certainly 1) completely unable to feel pain and 2) still not equal in rights and status to a grown woman.


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    #9003
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    nodin you (............)this.


    You've proven nothing. You stated

    "this is a crazy slippery road. do you know in america and the uk you can
    punch a 6 month pregnant woman in the stomach causing her to lose her child,yet you will be only charged with assaulting the mother. "

    I've shown that there is in fact a charge

    "procuring the miscarriage of a woman by poison or
    instrument. "
    http://www.suffolkfreepress.co.uk/news/latest-news/hundon-man-on-rape-and-causing-miscarriage-charges-1-3879147


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    #9004
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Don't get dizzy up there on that imaginary high horse Mr The Life of A Woman is of Equal value to this:

    For some reason I really want a prawn cocktail now...


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    #9005
    eireannBEAR
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭eireannBEAR


    Nodin wrote: »
    You've proven nothing. You stated

    "this is a crazy slippery road. do you know in america and the uk you can
    punch a 6 month pregnant woman in the stomach causing her to lose her child,yet you will be only charged with assaulting the mother. "

    I've shown that there is in fact a charge

    "procuring the miscarriage of a woman by poison or
    instrument. "
    http://www.suffolkfreepress.co.uk/news/latest-news/hundon-man-on-rape-and-causing-miscarriage-charges-1-3879147

    lol,you must understand that this baby obviously died outside of the womb yet you keep posting the same link.

    ''keep doing the same thing yet expecting different results'' do you know what thats a definition for.


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    #9006
    SebBerkovich
    Registered Users Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭SebBerkovich


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    ''keep doing the same thing yet expecting different results'' do you know what thats a definition for.

    A pro-life campaigner?


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    #9007
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    SebBerkovich wrote: »
    A pro-life campaigner who keeps posting in this thread?

    :cool:


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    #9008
    eireannBEAR
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭eireannBEAR


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    :cool:

    :pac:


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    #9009
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    So yeah, that proof Nodin's been asking for?


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    #9010
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    lol,you must understand that this baby obviously died outside of the womb yet you keep posting the same link.

    ''keep doing the same thing yet expecting different results'' do you know what thats a definition for.

    How do you know that it died outside the womb? How is it 'obvious'? What evidence is there for this?

    AIUI the standard 'booze and needle' job's intent is to stab the foetus with the needle after sedating the mother with booze. The body then rejects the corpse of the foetus and miscarries. Ergo, the foetus dies in utero and is then expelled.


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    #9011
    28064212
    Registered Users Posts: 10,634 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    lol,you must understand that this baby obviously died outside of the womb yet you keep posting the same link.

    ''keep doing the same thing yet expecting different results'' do you know what thats a definition for.
    Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_Kingdom#Sections_58_and_59_of_the_Offences_against_the_Person_Act_1861. Illegal abortions are an offence. You can tell, because they're illegal.

    If your planned response is "Lol, wiki" (which it would be based on your arguments so far), don't bother

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    #9012
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    lol,you must understand that this baby obviously died outside of the womb yet you keep posting the same link.

    ''keep doing the same thing yet expecting different results'' do you know what thats a definition for.


    ....wheres the evidence that's a factor? a link please?


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    #9013
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    I'm getting a distinct sense of dejavu....


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    #9014
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    lol,you must understand that this baby obviously died outside of the womb yet you keep posting the same link.

    :confused:

    Text of your link in it's entirety:
    A man who is alleged to have caused a woman to miscarry her unborn baby is due to in court today.

    Paul Davey, of Lower Road, Hundon, is charged with procuring the miscarriage of a woman by poison or instrument.

    It is claimed the 62-year-old used alcohol and a knitting needle to carry out the miscarriage in Sudbury in 2003.

    Davey is also charged with seven counts of rape – including on a girl under 16 – indecent assault on a girl under 16 and sexual touching.

    Davey gave no indication of a plea when he appeared at Bury St Edmunds Magistrates’ Court last Monday. He was released on conditional bail and is due to appear at Ipswich Crown Court today.

    ...how come you're so certain that the knitting needle didn't kill the foetus?
    28064212 wrote: »
    If your planned response is "Lol, wiki" (which it would be based on your arguments so far), don't bother

    Don't forget that a couple of posts after posting "lol wiki" they linked to wikipedia themselves. Hypocrisy at it's finest.


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    #9015
    eireannBEAR
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭eireannBEAR


    28064212 wrote: »
    Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_Kingdom#Sections_58_and_59_of_the_Offences_against_the_Person_Act_1861. Illegal abortions are an offence. You can tell, because they're illegal.

    If your planned response is "Lol, wiki" (which it would be based on your arguments so far), don't bother

    but these incidents are not classed as abortion,very weak argument.


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    #9016
    eireannBEAR
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭eireannBEAR


    Lingua Franca wrote: »
    :confused:

    Text of your link in it's entirety:



    ...how come you're so certain that the knitting needle didn't kill the foetus?

    how are you so certain that it did??


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    #9017
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,164 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    but these incidents are not classed as abortion,very weak argument.

    Go back to cheering on Sunderland. It's about your intellectual limit.


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    #9018
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    how are you so certain that it did??

    Please quote me to show where I made such an assertion, as I did for you. I'm waiting.


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    #9019
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    how are you so certain that it did??


    Answer the question put to you and stop being obtuse.


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    #9020
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    Is "I am rubber and you are glue" a debate technique now?

    I'll check on the YD recommended debate techniques page... Ah yes, it is.


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    #9021
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    but these incidents are not classed as abortion,very weak argument.

    They're classed as 'procuring the miscarriage of a woman by poison or instrument', which is what this man is being charged with.


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    #9022
    SebBerkovich
    Registered Users Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭SebBerkovich


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Go back to cheering on Sunderland. It's about your intellectual limit.

    Now-now Sunderland didn't ask for any of this... There's no point in bring Sunderland into this thread just because of one silly mistake...


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    #9023
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    SebBerkovich wrote: »
    Now-now Sunderland didn't ask for any of this... There's no point in bring Sunderland into this thread just because of one silly mistake...

    Ah it makes a change from biscuits and pizza.


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    #9024
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Go back to cheering on Sunderland. It's about your intellectual limit.

    attack the post NOT the poster!


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    #9025
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    eireannBEAR, could you answer my question please?


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    #9026
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Richard Bingham wrote: »
    <snip>

    Oh Richard, and to think you told us you weren't taking sides. :(

    I am disappointed and yet pleased that you lived down to your infamous user name.


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    #9027
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,792 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Richard Bingham wrote: »
    <snip>
    Considering that the legislation won't cover women carrying a foetus with fatal foetus abnormalities, it demonstrably false that it will lead to the least harm being done. Those pregnant women will suffer through unnecessary mental and physical problems by being denied a abortion in that circumstance.
    <snip>
    It's entirely reasonable that women would desire to have control over their own bodies, even when they are pregnant. It is equally showing disregard for women to deny them such decisions regarding their own body.
    <snip>
    Considering how the legislation hasn't been stopped so far, clearly those opposing the legislation don't have the support they think they have. Almost every poll shows the vast majority are in favor of the legislation.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #9028
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    If anyone has an issue with moderation PM a mod. Or Start a thread in Feedback or Helpdesk.
    Lots of silly personal attack at posters deleted.


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    #9029
    Morag
    Registered Users Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    <snip>

    Oh dear all those selfish slutty women.

    Let's ignore the fact that hormonal contraception is not 100%
    Let's ignore that hormonal contraception is not suitable for every woman.
    Let's ignore the women who seek to end a pregnancy with a fetal fatal diagnoses.
    Let's ignore the women who are denied chemotherapy if they became pregnant.
    Let's ignore the women who already have special needs children and can't cope with another child.
    Let's ignore the women who are raped and end up pregnant.

    Yes all the women who want abortion 'on demand' are slutty selfish children

    :rolleyes:


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    #9030
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    Did I miss anything important then? Somethingsomethingdahdadahhdaaah.... women should be told how inhumane and slutty they are/nobody who debates online is real and/or does anything real to support their personal opinion? Anything else?




    Morag, btw.....you rock.


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    #9031
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Obliq wrote: »
    Did I miss anything important then? Somethingsomethingdahdadahhdaaah.... women should be told how inhumane and slutty they are/nobody who debates online is real and/or does anything real to support their personal opinion? Anything else?




    Morag, btw.....you rock.

    and not a mention of either biscuits or pizza. :mad:


    She does, doesn't she.


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