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iguana

Obliq wrote: »

But aren't we looking at ways to address the imbalance of a woman being able to terminate a pregnancy against the wishes of a man, and a man being able to do a similar termination (as far as he can - financial abortion :rolleyes:) against the wishes of a woman? It doesn't make sense anyway....just an ethical conundrum for your lunchtime, so the two can't be equated anyway. Not equitable, as you say.

You shouldn't look to redress that. It's not possible and trying makes you look pretty silly to most people. However, legally an unmarried couple and an unmarried woman can terminate their parental responsibilities after birth through the process of adoption. Presuming the upcoming children's referendum passes married couples and married women will also have that option in the near future. Men do not have that option and I don't believe there are any plans to change that.

That's an imbalance and that's what you should look to redress because it's possible, it's not silly and it would achieve the exact same thing.

Obliq

iguana wrote: »

You shouldn't look to redress that. It's not possible and trying makes you look pretty silly to most people. However, legally an unmarried couple and an unmarried woman can terminate their parental responsibilities after birth through the process of adoption. Presuming the upcoming children's referendum passes married couples and married women will also have that option in the near future. Men do not have that option and I don't believe there are any plans to change that.

That's an imbalance and that's what you should look to redress because it's possible, it's not silly and it would achieve the exact same thing.

Ouch:-( Actually, as Rev Hellfire will surely testify, it was just an ethical conundrum that we were beating out between himself, Paudla and myself. If ye read the comments (pages) previously, you'll see that it was a lateral offshoot to the main topic that was pretty much 'True discussion for the sake of it' and an adventure into 'makey upy land'.
To be straight with you, regarding your last line that men don't have that option (and in my opinion, shouldn't, until science advances far enough that men can give birth;)), I think we covered that fairly effectively. No harm meant, and if harm was done to you in any way, shape or form, then I shall apologise (once you can tell me how it harmed you, that is). All the best, Obliq.

Obliq

In breaking news over the weekend.......



RTE seemed to be lacking in camera crew and reporters, so the job was done for them.

seamus

Sorry to detract from the serious nature of the thread, but is that an actual screengrab of an RTE broadcast with "THINK OUTSIDE MY BOX" centre stage? Cos that would be awesome.
But my gut says someone superimposed an image of the march on a still of Eileen.

Beruthiel

No way in hell that was on RTE seamus.
Found on this Facebook page no doubt.

Obliq

seamus wrote: »

Sorry to detract from the serious nature of the thread, but is that an actual screengrab of an RTE broadcast with "THINK OUTSIDE MY BOX" centre stage? Cos that would be awesome.
But my gut says someone superimposed an image of the march on a still of Eileen.

Yup, photoshopped. But effective
Has been generating more awareness online in the last day than RTE did, due to their decision (for whatever reason???:mad:) not to report on the 2,500+ people who marched for choice on Sept 29th within walking distance from RTE. Shot themselves in the foot big-time by ignoring us.

Obliq

Beruthiel wrote: »

No way in hell that was on RTE seamus.
Found on this Facebook page no doubt.

Correct

krudler

Obliq wrote: »

Yup, photoshopped. But effective
Has been generating more awareness online in the last day than RTE did, due to their decision (for whatever reason???:mad:) not to report on the 2,500+ people who marched for choice on Sept 29th within walking distance from RTE. Shot themselves in the foot big-time by ignoring us.

But an orangutan used an ipad in Dublin zoo, surely that's the bigger issue here? where are your priorities ffs.

Dades

krudler wrote: »

But an orangutan used an ipad in Dublin zoo...

I was wondering who bumped the Origin of Specious Nonsense thread. :pac:

Obliq

krudler wrote: »

But an orangutan used an ipad in Dublin zoo, surely that's the bigger issue here? where are your priorities ffs.

Quite. Actually, it is my understanding of RTE's priorities that on the 29th, that the sad passing of Larry Cunningham was more newsworthy. At least, that was a segment on the six one that got 1 min 50 seconds of time at the end. I have it in writing from RTE that "other news stories were deemed to have more priority and the march wasn’t covered."

old hippy

Obliq wrote: »

Yup, photoshopped. But effective
Has been generating more awareness online in the last day than RTE did, due to their decision (for whatever reason???:mad:) not to report on the 2,500+ people who marched for choice on Sept 29th within walking distance from RTE. Shot themselves in the foot big-time by ignoring us.

Disgraceful, what were they thinking of?

Hotblack Desiato

Hold the next demo outside RTE

Bannasidhe

ninja900 wrote: »

Hold the next demo outside RTE

At least then you can be sure TV3 will be there to film it.

Bannasidhe

The sheer hypocritical BS spouted by the RCC just makes my blood boil!

MASS GOERS WILL be greeted with the Catholic Church’s new anti-abortion campaign across the country tomorrow.

http://www.thejournal.ie/catholic-church-abortion-ireland-campaign-625029-Oct2012/

What about the lives of the children who were abused by members of the Catholic clergy after their crimes were reported to these self-appointed guardians of public morality - were their lives not precious and deserving of protection? Apparently not.

Just like they are not deserving of their due compensation from an organisation whose ruler sits on a golden throne surrounded by priceless works of art. :mad:

Dades

MASS GOERS WILL be greeted with the Catholic Church’s new anti-abortion campaign across the country tomorrow.

Both of them were said to be in full support of the church's stance.

old hippy

ninja900 wrote: »

Hold the next demo outside RTE

All joking aside, that is a seriously good idea. Guaranteed coverage and may upset the Montrose mandarins...

The Mad Hatter

MASS GOERS WILL be greeted with the Catholic Church’s new anti-abortion campaign across the country tomorrow.

The rest of us will have it shoved in our faces regardless.

eviltwin

They were talking about this on the radio, I'm surprised there is no filter in place in a church. I wouldn't want a young child of mine having to listen to a talk about abortion. I'm surprised so many parents of young children allowed them to sit through that.

PopePalpatine

^ To be fair, this is a religion which is based on the whole of mankind being condemned by a woman who was tricked by a talking snake into eating an apple.

Any self-respecting omnipotent deity would have at least thought of getting rid of the snake first! :pac:

coffee_cake

Considering the deity could see the future and know exactly what was going to happen, one can only conclude it had a twisted sense of ... existence

pauldla

PopePalpatine wrote: »

^ To be fair, this is a religion which is based on the whole of mankind being condemned by a woman who was tricked by a talking snake into eating an apple.

Any self-respecting omnipotent deity would have at least thought of getting rid of the snake first! :pac:

Ricky Gervais talking about that cracks me up. I can't access youtube so I can't post the link, but it's worth looking for!

Bannasidhe

bluewolf wrote: »

Considering the deity could see the future and know exactly what was going to happen, one can only conclude it had a twisted sense of ... existence

Or we are all just sims :eek:

Stark

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Or we are all just sims :eek:

Nah, we'd be naked in the hottub way more often if that was the case.

Sin City

Even I am bemused as to why the priest had to go on about abortion in mass with young children present. Utter disgrace in my opinion

doctoremma

Sin City - there's a debate on the Christianity board that might interest you. Re: atheist pro-life groups and the division of pro-choice/pro-life along religious lines?

Sin City

doctoremma wrote: »

Sin City - there's a debate on the Christianity board that might interest you. Re: atheist pro-life groups and the division of pro-choice/pro-life along religious lines?

Yeah I saw, but at the moment I dont have the time to commit to another big argument. I said my piece

robp

PopePalpatine wrote: »

^ To be fair, this is a religion which is based on the whole of mankind being condemned by a woman who was tricked by a talking snake into eating an apple.

Any self-respecting omnipotent deity would have at least thought of getting rid of the snake first! :pac:

No, incorrect. The catholic church and most major strands of Christianity do not teach literal truth in Genesis. That is well known! Its practically trolling to say otherwise. You will get the odd few who dissent from the official view, that is inevitable.

The CC is right to discourage easing abortion access but its important that people don't see it as a religious issue as its actually a human rights issue. Likewise it would be nice to see a similar effort by human rights groups and religions. Once people know its medically unnecessary most people disagree with it.

Lingua Franca

robp wrote: »

Once people know its medically unnecessary

What?

most people disagree with it.

What?

Bannasidhe

robp wrote: »

No, incorrect. The catholic church and most major strands of Christianity do not teach literal truth in Genesis. That is well known! Its practically trolling to say otherwise.

The CC is right to discourage easing abortion access but its important that people don't see it as a religious issue as its actually a human rights issue. Once people know its medically unnecessary most people disagree with it.

The CC does not want to ease access to abortion-it wants to completely prevent access to abortion.

But you are correct to say it is a human rights issue - the right of a woman to exercise control over her own body.

All abortion is medically unnecessary is it? Reeelllllyyyy????

What about psychologically necessary?

old hippy

Sin City wrote: »

Even I am bemused as to why the priest had to go on about abortion in mass with young children present. Utter disgrace in my opinion

They're not great with kids, are they?