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    #2672
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    You, it really annoys me when I hear the 'I'd hate to see abortion being used as a form of contraception' argument. Its almost like it HAS to be this big, enormous, soul searching event, reached after days or weeks of agonising contemplation. It's a hell of a lot easier to have the choice available but it seems for Irish women we SHOULD have to have things be difficult. Almost like 'if you're stupid enough to get into the mess, there should be no easy way out for you, you hussy'.

    Its like the Brass Eye 'good aids/bad aids' parody. You had a one night stand and didn't bother with a condom=bad abortion, you had a diagnosis of incompatibility with life=good abortion. The end result is the same, a termination of pregnancy. Why does it REALLY matter why a woman wants to reach that destination? How does for reasons for an abortion affect anyone else's life, apart from the woman who has to go through it? If I had an wanted pregnancy, I'd take an early stage non surgical abortion over a c section and being saddled with a child any day. Who cares why i would want an abortion and why shouldn't it be an easy decision?


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    #2673
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    robindch wrote: »
    I'm not sure whether you're just having a laugh or whether you're being serious here :)

    In the offchance of the latter, then I suggest you go visit, say, Russia (rich and dangerous) or North Korea (poor and dangerous). I've been to both -- Russia many times -- and if you think that Ireland is lame in any way, then believe me on this, you have no clue just how insanely stressful and even physically dangerous normal everyday living can be, and in comparison, just how amazingly safe, generous, trusting and plentiful life is here in Ireland for most people.

    For the record, even though you didn't ask me, I thought it was quite blackly funny. I recognise perfectly well how good we have it here compared to some appallingly oppressive places, but a little DISGUST at how Ireland has, and continues to conduct itself over the issue of abortion is no bad thing IMO. And if that disgust is expressed by saying Ireland is the arsehole of the world (even if that statement doesn't stand up to much scrutiny at all), then at least we could take the persons sense of disgust as valid.


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    #2674
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    But, and herein lies the crux, I can explain why I disagree with your disagreement.
    It's because I think women should have inviolate control over what happens their own bodies.
    goodie2shoes wrote: »
    that's just YOUR opinion.

    And why do you disagree with women having control of their own bodies? Do you think that a woman should be chaperoned by a male family member at all times? Should we be allowed to vote? After all, if we can't be trusted to make decisions about our own bodies we can hardly be allowed a say in the running of the country.


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    #2675
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    goodie2shoes wrote: »
    see that's the problem when people present wide sweeping opinions as facts.
    they tend to look silly.
    icon4.png

    This kind of comment makes my troll-o-meter twitch. Adds nothing, and posted to antagonise.

    Careful now.


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    #2676
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Aiel wrote: »
    For yer consideration:

    http://www.180movie.com/

    :)
    Ah, a documentary brought to us by our old friend, Ray Comfort.



    The atheists' nightmare, indeed.


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    #2677
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »
    No, I'm saying the coincidence of a rational decision to suicide and a demand for an abortion is likely to be so rare that it shouldn't demand so much attention. Plus, I'm insinuating that the Supreme Court were just looking for some basis on which to enable something else to happen -.................


    ....baseless speculation. You seem to think the supreme court is something that can be leant on like a group of county councillors on a quango somewhere.


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    #2678
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,941 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Remember, there's another place where bananas fit well. Hint: a certain thespian ex-user wouldn't like it.


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    #2679
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    goodie2shoes wrote: »
    my opinion.

    If you can't back it up, its not worth coming out with.
    goodie2shoes wrote: »
    try living in Syria or Pakistan. .

    We aren't living there, nor are we talking about legislating for there.


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    #2680
    goodie2shoes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭goodie2shoes


    28064212 wrote: »
    4075293519_63f3ed83c3.jpg

    The Dude Abides.:D


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    #2681
    loveisdivine
    Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭loveisdivine


    lazygal wrote: »
    You, it really annoys me when I hear the 'I'd hate to see abortion being used as a form of contraception' argument. Its almost like it HAS to be this big, enormous, soul searching event, reached after days or weeks of agonising contemplation. It's a hell of a lot easier to have the choice available but it seems for Irish women we SHOULD have to have things be difficult. Almost like 'if you're stupid enough to get into the mess, there should be no easy way out for you, you hussy'.

    Its like the Brass Eye 'good aids/bad aids' parody. You had a one night stand and didn't bother with a condom=bad abortion, you had a diagnosis of incompatibility with life=good abortion. The end result is the same, a termination of pregnancy. Why does it REALLY matter why a woman wants to reach that destination? How does for reasons for an abortion affect anyone else's life, apart from the woman who has to go through it? If I had an wanted pregnancy, I'd take an early stage non surgical abortion over a c section and being saddled with a child any day. Who cares why i would want an abortion and why shouldn't it be an easy decision?

    Totally agree. It would be an easy decision for me. If that makes me a monster then so be it. I'll live with the consequences.


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    #2682
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Remember, there's another place where bananas fit well. Hint: a certain thespian ex-user wouldn't like it.

    Would that be in your pocket Ted?


    :pac:


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    #2683
    goodie2shoes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭goodie2shoes


    Nodin wrote: »
    If you can't back it up, its not worth coming out with.


    who said i couldn't back it up?
    you're making more assumptions again.


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    #2684
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    goodie2shoes wrote: »
    who said i couldn't back it up?
    ................


    ...then please do so.


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    #2685
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    goodie2shoes wrote: »
    who said i couldn't back it up?
    you're making more assumptions again.

    Since you refuse to share the reason you hold that particular opinion why bother sharing that particular opinion on a discussion forum?


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    #2686
    goodie2shoes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭goodie2shoes


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...then please do so.

    what exactly do you want me to back up?


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    #2687
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    goodie2shoes wrote: »
    what exactly do you want me to back up?

    This.
    goodie2shoes wrote: »
    for far too long this (as with many other issues in our society) has been swept under the carpet. that said i dunno if we are ready for abortion on demand. hopefully not.
    (my bold)


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    #2688
    Morag
    Registered Users Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    I'd hate to see abortion being used as a form of contraception'

    I'd hate to see cars being used to kill people.
    Funny how pro lifers never protest cars...


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    #2689
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,417 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Since you refuse to share the reason you hold that particular opinion why bother sharing that particular opinion on a discussion forum?
    "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

    Hitchens


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    #2690
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    Dades wrote: »
    Ah, a documentary brought to us by our old friend, Ray Comfort.



    The atheists' nightmare, indeed.

    Haha, fundie Christians don't know how to open bananas!


    (The most efficient way is to squeeze open the side opposite to the stalk, as the other primates do.)


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    #2691
    goodie2shoes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭goodie2shoes


    Nodin wrote: »
    This.

    hopefully not.
    (my bold)

    (sorry i was walking the dog)
    personally i would prefer not to see abortion on demand, just as many others would welcome it.
    i don't see what's to "back up" tbh???


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    #2692
    Bobby42
    Registered Users Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bobby42


    Dades wrote: »
    Ah, a documentary brought to us by our old friend, Ray Comfort.



    The atheists' nightmare, indeed.


    What about coconuts?


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    #2693
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    goodie2shoes wrote: »
    (sorry i was walking the dog)
    personally i would prefer not to see abortion on demand, just as many others would welcome it.
    i don't see what's to "back up" tbh???

    What is "abortion on demand", exactly? Is it like beer on tap?


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    #2694
    goodie2shoes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭goodie2shoes


    old hippy wrote: »
    What is "abortion on demand", exactly? Is it like beer on tap?

    no i wouldn't imagine so. beer is legal if your over 18.


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    #2695
    goodie2shoes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭goodie2shoes


    robindch wrote: »
    "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

    Hitchens

    The most savage controversies are about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way.

    Bertrand Russell


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    #2696
    28064212
    Registered Users Posts: 10,634 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    goodie2shoes wrote: »
    The most savage controversies are about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way.

    Bertrand Russell
    That's not actually a rebuttal to Robin's point, that's just a comment that is laterally related to the general topic of abortion.

    Your personal opinion is that you "would prefer not to see abortion on demand". Why? If I said my personal opinion is that the moon is made of cheese, would you just blithely agree and say "well, that's your opinion"?

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    #2697
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    goodie2shoes wrote: »
    (sorry i was walking the dog)
    personally i would prefer not to see abortion on demand, just as many others would welcome it.
    i don't see what's to "back up" tbh???


    Why are you against it?


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    #2698
    goodie2shoes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭goodie2shoes


    28064212 wrote: »
    That's not actually a rebuttal to Robin's point, that's just a comment that is laterally related to the general topic of abortion.

    no it's not. you clearly have not understood it, and you're attempting to appear intellectual and failed miserably in the process.
    it's a comment on the inverse relationship between evidence and controversy.
    28064212 wrote: »
    Your personal opinion is that you "would prefer not to see abortion on demand". Why? If I said my personal opinion is that the moon is made of cheese, would you just blithely agree and say "well, that's your opinion"?

    i'm not qualified to answer that.
    maybe you should try the astronomy forum?


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    #2699
    goodie2shoes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭goodie2shoes


    Nodin wrote: »
    Why are you against it?

    it's illegal.
    do you advocate breaking the law?


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    #2700
    Lelantos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,612 ✭✭✭Lelantos


    goodie2shoes wrote: »

    The Dude Abides.:D
    You know there's a church of dudeism & you can become a minister online.....I may have done this ;)


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    #2701
    goodie2shoes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭goodie2shoes


    Lelantos wrote: »
    You know there's a church of dudeism & you can become a minister online.....I may have done this ;)

    "Careful Man! There's a beverage here!":D


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