Life as an army DF officer

Jawgap

investment wrote: »

I dont give a ****e what you all think!!!....I'm more likely to become an army officer than any of you guys here...perhaps I can hide my delusions behind a key board. But I'm a different man when the time comes a calling. I dont back down. I'm a quiet man.. but I'm very fcuking dangerous.


I own a gun therefore have shooting experience
I'm a natural born leader. Captain of my Gaa team
I have a master degree
I'm physical bigger and strong than anyone i've met

I used to think of myself as a world class Walt, but I realise having 'seen' @investment in action that I'm just scrabbling about in the mud - there are vast levels of Walt-ism yet to be revealed to me.

If you are genuinely serious about joining the Defence Forces here or the Armed Services of another country you need to read up on the personal values that are prized by these organisations and reflect on whether you possess them.

I've met a fair view NCOs and officers from the various branches of various armed forces from around Europe through a previous job, and my experience is that universally they are 'quietly impressive individuals' who immediately imbue a sense of confidence in you that they are excellent at their profession. They do this without having to shamelessly list achievements or invoke favourable comparisons at your expense, they just create an air of "I'm-pretty-fcuking-good-at-what-I-do."

They are not mouthy, boastful or insecure and apart from a propensity to throw people (i.e. young officers) over bars as part of a game, it would be difficult to find a more impressive bunch of people.

In summary, they seem to be everything your posts suggest you are not.

DipStick McSwindler

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Jawgap

IrishFeeney92 wrote: »

Looks like your an insomniac too!!

It's a symptom related to his participation in "Treadstone" and "Black Briar"

minidazzler

investment wrote: »

I dont give a ****e what you all think!!!....I'm more likely to become an army officer than any of you guys here...perhaps I can hide my delusions behind a key board. But I'm a different man when the time comes a calling. I dont back down. I'm a quiet man.. but I'm very fcuking dangerous.


I own a gun therefore have shooting experience
I'm a natural born leader. Captain of my Gaa team
I have a master degree
I'm physical bigger and strong than anyone i've met

This is you HIDING your delusions? You were that kid who stood next to a wall during Hide and go seek and was surprised to be caught weren't you?

You're dangerous? To yourself and those around you. I wouldn't give you a water pistol never mind saying a real weapon.

Shooting experience doesn't matter to fcuk when applying for the Army unless you hold medals for winning shooting competitions. Otherwise you're just a gun nut.

Captain of your GAA team? When I was in the GAA they rotated captaincy, but most other clubs I know of just picked the kid whose dad was in charge of something.

A Master Degree? In what precisely? Care to put your thesis up so we can peruse it?

I doubt you are bigger and stronger than anyone you met, the image you put across is a reserves washout with a severe lack of a thyroid gland.

tac foley

Gentlemen, it took the explosion at the beginning of the universe to create each and every one of us.

Every atom in our bodies came from that unimagineable genesis micro-second.

So it's true that we are made of the very fabric of the universe.

However, as we can see here, for some of us, that 'very fabric of the universe' contains an overwhelming proportion of pure ****e.

As we have seen here displayed.

tac

DipStick McSwindler

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tac foley

investment wrote: »

I'm a quiet man total plonker.

Fixed it for ya.;)

tac

Disco Volante

investment wrote: »

I dont give a ****e what you all think!!!....I'm more likely to become an army officer than any of you guys here...perhaps I can hide my delusions behind a key board. But I'm a different man when the time comes a calling. I dont back down. I'm a quiet man.. but I'm very fcuking dangerous.


I own a gun therefore have shooting experience
I'm a natural born leader. Captain of my Gaa team
I have a master degree
I'm physical bigger and strong than anyone i've met

Oh my god, you're Lou Ferrigno.

OS119

tac foley wrote: »

Fixed it for ya.;)

tac

remarkably charitable.

investment

I'm 6 foot 1 inches

I wont be, joining the british army. Micheal collins is my hero..Last week I bought a large picture of him and placed it in my workout room. Everytime I need inspiration and motivation as I push for the burn I look at his photo

Also I have won many medals for clay pigeon shooting and 200 meters rifleing

DipStick McSwindler

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minidazzler

investment wrote: »

I'm 6 foot 1 inches

I wont be, joining the british army. Micheal collins is my hero..Last week I bought a large picture of him and placed it in my workout room. Everytime I need inspiration and motivation as I push for the burn I look at his photo

Also I have won many medals for clay pigeon shooting and 200 meters rifleing

6'1" I'm already taller than you...But apparently you are Big as well...now, I know a lot of Tall GAA players, I don't know that many tall GAA Players who weight more than 220 lbs. So care to tell me what you weigh?

When you need to push hard for the burn and to feel the pain you look at a picture of a man...Okay....

Care to mention competitions and years? I'm sure some of our friends on the Shooting Forums could oblige in confirming.

tac foley

investment wrote: »

I'm 6 foot 1 inches

I wont be, joining the british army. Micheal collins is my hero..Last week I bought a large picture of him and placed it in my workout room. Everytime I need inspiration and motivation as I push for the burn I look at his photo

Also I have won many medals for clay pigeon shooting and 200 meters rifleing

We would all like to see the awards, please, as well as those for the '200 meters rifleing' - whatever that might be.

You might get more inspiration by admiring a picture of Baron Shorttttttttt - a man whose life, it seems, more closely resembles your own.;)

tac

neilled

investment wrote: »

I'm 6 foot 1 inches

I wont be, joining the british army. Micheal collins is my hero..Last week I bought a large picture of him and placed it in my workout room. Everytime I need inspiration and motivation as I push for the burn I look at his photo

Also I have won many medals for clay pigeon shooting and 200 meters rifleing

Vs

investment wrote: »

My past is behind me and I recently got my firearms certificate and I have been to see the doctor about my delusions and hallucinations. I hope to become a cadet next year before I apply to sandhurst. I have a masters degree from TCD

All my questions are serious and I want some serious answers

Seriously - this chap is just looking for a reaction. There are too many inconsistencies to take him seriously. Some might call it trolling.. mods will take whatever action they deem fit. Either way I'll be hitting the ignore button.

minidazzler

neilled wrote: »

Seriously - this chap is just looking for a reaction. There are too many inconsistencies to take him seriously. Some might call it trolling.. mods will take whatever action they deem fit. Either way I'll be hitting the ignore button.

I prefer to think he believes every word he is saying...It's at least funny that way!

ChunkyLover_53

Hmm...

Captain of the local GAA team?...Check.
Small bit of Military Knowledge that you use to impress civvies?...Check.
Delusions of Grandeur about your chosen career path?...Check.
View yourself as a God to women and an Adonis amongst mere mortal men?...Check.
Complete disregard for anything someone wiser and more experienced has to say, as you have been to college?...Check.
Unable to see the difference between Mass Media and hard reality?...Check.

Son, are you sure you're not already an Irish Army Officer?

Teangalad

investment wrote: »

I dont give a ****e what you all think!!!....I'm more likely to become an army officer than any of you guys here...perhaps I can hide my delusions behind a key board. But I'm a different man when the time comes a calling. I dont back down. I'm a quiet man.. but I'm very fcuking dangerous.


I own a gun therefore have shooting experience
I'm a natural born leader. Captain of my Gaa team
I have a master degree
I'm physical bigger and strong than anyone i've met

do they allow computer/internet access in the Central mental hospital...???

I rest my case

Jawgap

investment wrote: »

I'm 6 foot 1 inches.......

6 foot 1 inches........over to you Gunny.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPIU6UNgO_Y

investment

Laugh now..but you wont be laughting when I'm making you do push ups and hard runs in the wet.

I'm going to link my FB profile so If anyone has a problem..you can say it to my ****ing face you *****

I just want to kick the ****e out of you all now ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHH:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Midnight Oil

investment wrote: »

Laugh now..but you wont be laughting when I'm making you do push ups and hard runs in the wet.

I'm going to link my FB profile so If anyone has a problem..you can say it to my ****ing face you *****

I just want to kick the ****e out of you all now ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHH:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

If this is your general attitude and coupled with your earlier posts on this thread I sincerely hope you never join me as an officer in the DF.

You actually remind me of a former classmate from Scoil na Daltai that thankfully got exposed as a looney by the DS and ****ed out of the DF.

If you are serious about joining the DF and if what you have posted on here is generally tougue in cheek stuff and acting the big man as you have an audience then drop me a pm and I will answer any genuine questions you might have.

investment

investment wrote: »

Laugh now..but you wont be laughting when I'm making you do push ups and hard runs in the wet.

I'm going to link my FB profile so If anyone has a problem..you can say it to my ****ing face you *****

I just want to kick the ****e out of you all now ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHH:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

My reaction now....

You really, really, really, don't get the function and ethos of military life, do you?

OS119

investment wrote: »

Laugh now..but you wont be laughting when I'm making you do push ups and hard runs in the wet.

I'm going to link my FB profile so If anyone has a problem..you can say it to my ****ing face you *****

I just want to kick the ****e out of you all now ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHH:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

i want to have sex with you.

Manic Moran

investment wrote: »

Laugh now..but you wont be laughting when I'm making you do push ups and hard runs in the wet.

I'm going to link my FB profile so If anyone has a problem..you can say it to my ****ing face you *****

I just want to kick the ****e out of you all now ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHH:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Mod]It was OK over in the Walter Mitty forum, but not here.

Second ban, so two weeks.[/Mod]

cyrusdvirus

Jawgap wrote: »

I used to think of myself as a world class Walt, but I realise having 'seen' @investment in action that I'm just scrabbling about in the mud - there are vast levels of Walt-ism yet to be revealed to me.

I'd have to call you to task on this one Jawgap...

If our vesty was truly a walt of world class status and experience he would have left it a bit longer before responding in the thread....

Between 9.02 (your reply quoted above) and his next response there was only 8 posts... a truly world class walt would have left it go a bit longer before stirring the pot up another little bit...

(This is not to say that i have carried out this type of activity on another site in the past, no siree bob!!)

To be a truly successful walt you have to hover on the edge of peoples perceptions, just dipping in every now and then to do a bit more winding up...

intellectual dosser

Doing my usual morning scroll through Boards threads I see Investment started a new one asking whether he should get engaged to fast-track a promotion to becoming an officer. He must be flying up the ranks since yesterday, we must all eat our words. I'm sure it has calmed him down a lot and we can sleep better now.

Investment - I have to ask - would you have at least set up a new profile?! Come on like!

And Moderators - congrats. I take this back the other thread was locked/deleted

Jawgap

Meanwhile in the "Gentlemen's Club" proof that you can't keep a good man down

the_syco

Was hoping this was a thread about an actual day in the life of an army DF officer, and not a thread from one of the in-house nutters.

investment wrote: »

I dont back down.

Couldn't see you lasting a day even if you did get in! The DF doesn't stand for hot headedness from new recruits.

Jawgap

All jokes aside, what is the day like for a newly minted Lt in an infantry company / platoon in the Irish DF?

tac foley

Jawgap wrote: »

All jokes aside, what is the day like for a newly minted Lt in an infantry company / platoon in the Irish DF?

Apart from the accents employed by those participating in the affair, I would imagine from talking to some of my erstwhile colleagues that it is not a lot different from the experiences of ANY YO on his or her first day with men to command. Without doubt, for a YO, it will be -

a. petrifying.

b. a steep learning curve that gets vertical at around 9am.

c. a humbling experience.

d. a never-ever-forgotten day.

Mine was a lot more simple.

1. In the company of three others of the same rank as me - all getting commissioned on the same day back in 1984 - I marched into the room with my WO1's 'Tate & Lyle' badge carefully removed from my lower right sleeve, and already replaced with four nice shiney stars - two on each shoulder.

2. I then officially left the British Army, and signed myself off the nominal roll of the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. Officers are not actually IN the British Army - they hold an appointment and commission to BE an officer over the other ranks for the British Army who are actually IN the Army. Well, I understand it, anyhow. If you are confused, please read the wording on a commissioning scroll for an officer of the British Armed Forces - you'll see what I mean.

3. I then took advantage of the traditional 'two-minute rethink' to decide to either walk out of the door a free man, or to accept the Queen's Commission as an officer in the Armed Forces of the United Kingdom.

4. I chickened out and signed up the next seventeen years of my life....the document itself, signed by Herself, graces our downstairs bathroom wall - another tradition.

5. The last tradition of the day was to march over to the OM, past the RSM - a good friend who was himself getting commissioned the following month - and get the very first salute in OUR direction from himself.

Happy days, eh?

tac

Jawgap

You tell it well.

I've a nephew in the British Army and he tells the story of leaving Sandhurst and reporting to Chatham for his Troop Commader's course and being told they weren't ready for them to come back in 10 days! He asked what he should do in the interim to which the sergeant brusquely replied - "You're the officer, you'll figure it out"

He also recalls the first salute he received when he was outside Sandhurst and said his first reaction was panic because he though there was an officer behind him:)

OS119

Jawgap wrote: »

..He also recalls the first salute he received when he was outside Sandhurst and said his first reaction was panic because he though there was an officer behind him:)

sounds familar!

it took a long time to get used to the idea that 'Sir' at a Regiment meant 'Sir, can you help me?, and not, as it meant at RMAS, 'Sir, you are a fcuking useless cnut, infact so useless and utterly worthless that i wouldn't use your pointless body to beat out the flames in a housefire'...

though, actually, it probably did...

Jawgap

He also relates the story of how one of his instructors told them "my name is Staff Sergeant XXXXXX"

"You will refer to me as Staff Segeant XXXXX and I will refer to you as 'sir' - you will mean it and I most certainly will not!"

Kat1170

tac foley wrote: »

2. I then officially left the British Army, and signed myself off the nominal roll of the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. Officers are not actually IN the British Army - they hold an appointment and commission to BE an officer over the other ranks for the British Army who are actually IN the Army. Well, I understand it, anyhow. If you are confused, please read the wording on a commissioning scroll for an officer of the British Armed Forces - you'll see what I mean.

Cadets here when joining get a usual 6 digit army number and on commissioning get a different 'Officer Type' number usually 0.XXXX IIRC.

tac foley

Kat1170 wrote: »

Cadets here when joining get a usual 6 digit army number and on commissioning get a different 'Officer Type' number usually 0.XXXX IIRC.

Same here - 1234567 for OR's and 123456 for officers.

tac

Crann na Beatha

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tac foley

Aquila wrote: »

I'm still rather perplexed how this character can actively post in this forum and indeed boards.ie in general judging by his previous posts

Who? Me? Or 'investment'?

Just say the word, Mr Moderator, and I'll be gone.

tac

Owryan

Aquila wrote: »

I'm still rather perplexed how this character can actively post in this forum and indeed boards.ie in general judging by his previous posts

He is mildly amusing in fairness

Crann na Beatha

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Jawgap

tac foley wrote: »

Who? Me? Or 'investment'?

Just say the word, Mr Moderator, and I'll be gone.

tac

Yeah, if he does though it has to be in Chinese Hip Hop!

Do the Irish DF commission many NCOs? I might be dreaming it but I think I saw somewhere that in Europe, the Irish DF have one the lowest rates of officers raised from Non-comms and the Brits have one of the highest. I think it was something like 40% of officers at the rank of 2Lt / Lt / captain in the British Army had started out as enlisted men / women.

And just to be clear, nothing in the paragraph above should be seen as an implied or direct criticism of the Irish DF, it's just a question:)

tac foley

Owryan wrote: »

He is mildly amusing in fairness

Ah, reading this, it couldn't possibly be me. I'm not even mildly amusing.

Harumph.

tac

OS119

Jawgap wrote: »

...I think it was something like 40% of officers at the rank of 2Lt / Lt / captain in the British Army had started out as enlisted men / women...

i'm not sure its quite that high, but it may be.

to make things confusing, there's three entry points that make the total - firstly 'traditional' YO's: 21-25, usually graduates, who have been members of the TA as OR's (the number of tour Gongs in evidence on Sovereign's parade, compared to 20 years ago, has to be seen to be believed), but these YO's will just look like any other YO's, and you wouldn't know they had served as OR's unless they told you, or you looked their records.

secondly YO's who have served perhaps 3 to 5 years as OR's in the Regular Army and been picked out by their Regiments for Commissioning - they are obviously a bit older than the other YO's, but still in the YO 'bracket'.

thirdly you have Late Entrant Officers - these are former Warrant Officers who've done 18-22 years service, who are then commisioned as Captains.

it is, without doubt, becoming more prevailent - war is the ultimate test of a leadership, and having been at war, constantly, for 10 years we have a large number of superb young leaders who have been tested personally and professionally at Pte/L/Cpl/Cpl level who we know can do the job of a YO while still being in the age bracket, so it makes sense to use those who have been tested in the most demanding circumstances, rather than employing an untried candidate and hoping* that he can do the job.

*its more scientific than that, but thats what it comes down to.

tac foley

OS119 wrote: »

thirdly you have Late Entrant Officers - these are former Warrant Officers who've done 18-22 years service, who are then commisioned as Captains.

Yup, that was me, except that I had only just over 14 years in the ranks. I was a WO1 for ten days, just long enough to get my WO1 suit to save the expense of buying it as an officer.

At one time the percentage in my bit of the Army was as high as 45%.

tac

the_syco

Jawgap wrote: »

Do the Irish DF commission many NCOs? I might be dreaming it but I think I saw somewhere that in Europe, the Irish DF have one the lowest rates of officers raised from Non-comms

I forget the reason, but pretty sure either someone here said it, or someone told me when I was (briefly) in the FCA 13 years ago, and the reason made lots of sense.

I stand to be corrected, but I think it's to do with a limit to the amount of officers, and thus it's harder for a nco to compete for the positions?

OS119

the_syco wrote: »

...the reason made lots of sense...

the reason it was always hard for NCO's was that your chances of being able to prove yourself and have enough time to do the normal YO career path were pretty limited. you had to be lucky as fcuk - that and that class divisions between Officers and NCO's tend to get accentuated in peacetime armies, making a transition more difficult.

now, in the BA anyway, you won't find anyone at Cpl level who hasn't got two tours under their belt, including one at L/Cpl or Cpl level, and they'll be under 25. at that age they can jump on the YO career stream and be Majors at 33.

a YO with that level of experience will get tapped for the hard jobs - the exposed PB on the arse-end-of-nowhere, Reece Troop, FST, BRF and getting the Loggies to where they need to be. valuable as fcuk, treasured by any OC with half a brain.

RMD

investment wrote: »

I'm 6 foot 1 inches

I wont be, joining the british army. Micheal collins is my hero..Last week I bought a large picture of him and placed it in my workout room. Everytime I need inspiration and motivation as I push for the burn I look at his photo

Also I have won many medals for clay pigeon shooting and 200 meters rifleing

Investment, if you're going to lie I suggest you do it well.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77253209&postcount=1

5'10 eh?

tricky D

RMD wrote: »

Investment, if you're going to lie I suggest you do it well.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77253209&postcount=1

5'10 eh?

Nevermind the simply incredible IQ of 180.

Midnight Oil

tac foley wrote: »

Apart from the accents employed by those participating in the affair, I would imagine from talking to some of my erstwhile colleagues that it is not a lot different from the experiences of ANY YO on his or her first day with men to command. Without doubt, for a YO, it will be -

a. petrifying.

b. a steep learning curve that gets vertical at around 9am.

c. a humbling experience.

d. a never-ever-forgotten day.

Mine was a lot more simple.

1. In the company of three others of the same rank as me - all getting commissioned on the same day back in 1984 - I marched into the room with my WO1's 'Tate & Lyle' badge carefully removed from my lower right sleeve, and already replaced with four nice shiney stars - two on each shoulder.

2. I then officially left the British Army, and signed myself off the nominal roll of the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. Officers are not actually IN the British Army - they hold an appointment and commission to BE an officer over the other ranks for the British Army who are actually IN the Army. Well, I understand it, anyhow. If you are confused, please read the wording on a commissioning scroll for an officer of the British Armed Forces - you'll see what I mean.

3. I then took advantage of the traditional 'two-minute rethink' to decide to either walk out of the door a free man, or to accept the Queen's Commission as an officer in the Armed Forces of the United Kingdom.

4. I chickened out and signed up the next seventeen years of my life....the document itself, signed by Herself, graces our downstairs bathroom wall - another tradition.

5. The last tradition of the day was to march over to the OM, past the RSM - a good friend who was himself getting commissioned the following month - and get the very first salute in OUR direction from himself.

Happy days, eh?

tac

Similar and different to my first day as a second flute.

Now my day goes as follows:

1. deal with all of the bull****e that my troops have created for me that day e.g. absence, sick, whingeing, breaking things (you would be amazed what a soldier can manage to break)
2. deal with all of the bull****e that my CO has created for me that day e.g. could be ANYTHING and i really do mean ANYTHING
3. deal with all of the bull****e that Bde HQ has created for me that day. e.g. explain very carefully and slowly how to do their job and that if they check their inbox the email called "XXXX Weekly Return" is the weekly return from my unit on XXXX.
4. Try and find time somewhere between 1, 2 and 3 above to actually get some work done that day.
5. Wait for everyone to go home and get more done in 20 mins than I got done in the previous 6 hours as no one is there to annoy me.

Kat1170

Midnight Oil wrote: »

Similar and different to my first day as a second flute.

Now my day goes as follows:

1. deal with all of the bull****e that my troops have created for me that day e.g. absence, sick, whingeing, breaking things (you would be amazed what a soldier can manage to break)2. deal with all of the bull****e that my CO has created for me that day e.g. could be ANYTHING and i really do mean ANYTHING
3. deal with all of the bull****e that Bde HQ has created for me that day. e.g. explain very carefully and slowly how to do their job and that if they check their inbox the email called "XXXX Weekly Return" is the weekly return from my unit on XXXX.
4. Try and find time somewhere between 1, 2 and 3 above to actually get some work done that day.
5. Wait for everyone to go home and get more done in 20 mins than I got done in the previous 6 hours as no one is there to annoy me.

Ha ha. Soldier proof doesn't exist. It's like a challenge to some lads to prove this :rolleyes:

thermo

Kat1170 wrote: »

Ha ha. Soldier proof doesn't exist. It's like a challenge to some lads to prove this :rolleyes:

the only thing that is soldier-proof is 3 feet of railway track, too heavy to nick (casually), too solid to break and too short to bend.

Midnight Oil

thermo wrote: »

too heavy to nick

I know a unit that thought the same about a 1 ton slab of granite, lets just say they were missing the steps into their building on a monday morning