what's the story with water metering?

ilovesleep

So we are due water charges next year which will be metered.

I recently noticed some new decorations to the side of my rural road. Colouredy slabs of stones that stick up and out from the road. I'm guessing these must be the water meters.

Wouldn't you expect a meter placed outside of every home/house? Instead they are placed every couple hundred metres apart. Like one for every third/fourth house.

Is that it? Neighbours sharing their water bills or something,

AnonoBoy

No need for meters at all I think. A guy with a divining rod would do just as good a job.

smash

Put a funnel in your chimney and a bucket in your fireplace and get free water when it rains!

kneemos

I'd say they've found a suitably proportioned shelf to place it on.

B.A._Baracus

I hate the idea of water meters.

I mean what does tax 'supposedly' pay for?
Gotta buy bin tags now.
Gotta pay a household charge.
Gotta pay a toll on certain roads.
.. ahh could go on. Whats the point.

The kicker is that when the economy is good again. These taxes will still be there. But I am still waiting for the government to introduce some sort of 'Air' tax.

donalg1

It'll be metered at the tap in each house, they need to know what the individual is actually using so they will cut down on people disputing the figures

Link

The link above is a reason for doing this, which probably means its the reason why it wont be done this way.

greenpilot

donalg1 wrote: »

It'll be metered at the tap in each house, they need to know what the individual is actually using so they will cut down on people disputing the figures

Link

The link above is a reason for doing this, which probably means its the reason why it wont be done this way.

For those of you living under rocks, most of us have been paying for our water using meters at each house through our local group water schemes. We pay every year for it. Of course, you don't hear us bitching about it. Probably because we don't live in Dublin. It's simple...turn on the tap and you can see what you pay for. Which Is why most of us didn't pay the household charge. Services? What services? Our nearest street light is 6 miles away. Our road is like something you see in Chad.

minidazzler

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I hate the idea of water meters.

I mean what does tax 'supposedly' pay for?
Gotta buy bin tags now.
Gotta pay a household charge.
Gotta pay a toll on certain roads.
.. ahh could go on. Whats the point.

The kicker is that when the economy is good again. These taxes will still be there. But I am still waiting for the government to introduce some sort of 'Air' tax.

Taxes pay the salary of people who come up with taxes.

Also, Prisons, Cops, Doctors, Nurses, Education, Defence.

But a lot of the money goes to cnuts.

donalg1

greenpilot wrote: »

For those of you living under rocks, most of us have been paying for our water using meters at each house through our local group water schemes. We pay every year for it. Of course, you don't hear us bitching about it. Probably because we don't live in Dublin. It's simple...turn on the tap and you can see what you pay for. Which Is why most of us didn't pay the household charge. Services? What services? Our nearest street light is 6 miles away. Our road is like something you see in Chad.

Well the nearest street light to me is probably further than the 6 miles. I paid the HHC and will have to pay the water charges when they meter my house, I am on the public water line not a rural group scheme. I also had to get a water softener put in which cost around €700 as there was so much lime in the water it was eating my shower heads on a monthly basis even with me cleaning it for hours each week. So I could only imagine what it was doing to the rest of the appliances in the house.

kneemos

The plan was to have every house metered by the end of this year (there's even training courses if you want to get involved)but seeing as they have'nt started yet and the Property Tax being introduced next year and I think it's an election year after that,it may be some time before your house is metered.

stevedublin

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

But I am still waiting for the government to introduce some sort of 'Air' tax.

Shhh! The troika could be reading this thread.

Boombastic

Goldilocks and the 3 bears?

eth0

Will they give a discount if you push collected rainwater into the system?

hoochis

eth0 wrote: »

Will they give a discount if you push collected rainwater into the system?

You will only be charged for the water you use from the public supply. If you can reduce what water you use from this supply with rainwater then you will pay less.

ATM I am paying €1.10 per 1000 litres and a Network management charge of €105 per year.

Fromthetrees

It rains enough here to hydrate an African country out of drought ffs, half our water is lost through holes in the pipe network and that's at ****ing least, tap water tastes like crap, we're in the minority of European countries that puts floride in the ****ing water, the amount of dirt a Brita filter takes out of the water is galling.

I don't like the way this country operates.

Fromthetrees

It rains enough here to hydrate an African country out of drought ffs, half our water is lost through holes in the pipe network and that's at ****ing least, tap water tastes like crap, we're in the minority of European countries that puts floride in the ****ing water, the amount of dirt a Brita filter takes out of the water is galling.

I don't like the way this country operates.

crazy cabbage

Fromthetrees wrote: »

It rains enough here to hydrate an African country out of drought ffs, half our water is lost through holes in the pipe network and that's at ****ing least, tap water tastes like crap, we're in the minority of European countries that puts floride in the ****ing water, the amount of dirt a Brita filter takes out of the water is galling.

I don't like the way this country operates.

Yea. there has been a boil notice on our water for last 4-5 weeks and i only found out by chance there last week. Most people in the area still dont know about it

and then they expect us to pay for water...... when it made me have stomach cramps for a week....

hoochis

Fromthetrees wrote: »

It rains enough here to hydrate an African country out of drought ffs, half our water is lost through holes in the pipe network and that's at ****ing least, tap water tastes like crap, we're in the minority of European countries that puts floride in the ****ing water, the amount of dirt a Brita filter takes out of the water is galling.

I don't like the way this country operates.

Fromthetrees wrote: »

It rains enough here to hydrate an African country out of drought ffs, half our water is lost through holes in the pipe network and that's at ****ing least, tap water tastes like crap, we're in the minority of European countries that puts floride in the ****ing water, the amount of dirt a Brita filter takes out of the water is galling.

I don't like the way this country operates.

You have a habit of double posting dont you? (:

Fromthetrees

hoochis wrote: »

You have a habit of double posting dont you? (:

My computer screen is broken so I'm on my ps3. I can't edit or delete once I've posted, I also can only post using quick reply, I just don't know, it's making me want to run out of the house with a metal pole and attack people that are smaller than me.
If this double posts I'm out.

Run_to_da_hills

Water smart metering bad news.

Your smart water meter knows every move you make inside your home whether your present or not. Every time you take a p*iss and flush the toilet it knows exactly how much you have used, whether you are taking too long in the shower, and decides to ration you from a remote database, and the evil Bas*stards can shut your water off completely?

No problem indeed.

Our silence is our consent for oppressive control of our lives.

Texas woman pulls a gun to stop smart meter installation LOL.

crazy cabbage

think the parents will end up drilling a well if this goes ahead. Water is of better quality and there is no **** in it. Maby run it through a filter. Working out cheaper than they thought.
Prehaps have some rainwater harvesting system for gardens and tiolets.

Can see alot more people doing this. Dont know the numbers but i want to see how long it would take to pay for itself. Anyone any ideas or estamates?

ArseLtd

I fcuking hate fluoridated water, I couldn't drink half a glass of it. Well water all the way until fluoride is gone.

Run_to_da_hills

crazy cabbage wrote: »

think the parents will end up drilling a well if this goes ahead. Water is of better quality and there is no **** in it. Maby run it through a filter. Working out cheaper than they thought.
Prehaps have some rainwater harvesting system for gardens and tiolets.

Can see alot more people doing this. Dont know the numbers but i want to see how long it would take to pay for itself. Anyone any ideas or estamates?

Only a few weeks ago the state of Oregon jailed a guy for collecting rainwater.

http://www.naturalnews.com/036615_Oregon_rainwater_permaculture.html

Now the state is spending millions of dollars poisoning those that obey the law.


Portland, Oregon to spend $5 million to poison its residents with toxic fluoride

galwayrush

Water meters are necessary to collect money to cover the cost of providing and installing the water meters and to cover the staff needed to run the service. :pac::pac:

hoochis

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Only a few weeks ago the state of Oregon jailed a guy for collecting rainwater.

http://www.naturalnews.com/036615_Oregon_rainwater_permaculture.html

Now the state is spending millions of dollars poisoning those that obey the law.


Portland, Oregon to spend $5 million to poison its residents with toxic fluoride

I think he was jailed because he diverted over 10 million gallons of water from a creek! He wasn't simply collecting a little bit of rainwater!

eth0

hoochis wrote: »

You will only be charged for the water you use from the public supply. If you can reduce what water you use from this supply with rainwater then you will pay less.

ATM I am paying €1.10 per 1000 litres and a Network management charge of €105 per year.

Im on about pushing excess rainwater into the network with a pump. Will the meter run backwards?

kneemos

eth0 wrote: »

Im on about pushing excess rainwater into the network with a pump. Will the meter run backwards?

What kind of pressure would build up if people did that?

hoochis

eth0 wrote: »

Im on about pushing excess rainwater into the network with a pump. Will the meter run backwards?

Meter would probably run backwards if the flow was reversed but I imagine there would be a one way valve fitted by the meter so this would not be possible. Even if you could pump water back through the meter, would it be worth it? You would need a fairly strong pump to work against the pressure! Also you could be contaminating the public water supply!

NegativeCreep

Just checking. Are council houses getting the meters put in? If you are renting from the council, are you exempt?

Can't see them having all the houses done by the end of the year mind. It'll probably take a good while for that to happen. And I also can't imagine the price of water being that much. How much could it possibly cost?

eth0

hoochis wrote: »

Meter would probably run backwards if the flow was reversed but I imagine there would be a one way valve fitted by the meter so this would not be possible. Even if you could pump water back through the meter, would it be worth it? You would need a fairly strong pump to work against the pressure! Also you could be contaminating the public water supply!

They could put in a one way valve but they might also rather pocket the money. The pressure isnt that high in a lot of places but really if i was able to supply decent quality water they should allow me to inject water into the supply as with electricity. It might be cheaper than storing the rain water, pump could run only at night

syklops

crazy cabbage wrote: »

Yea. there has been a boil notice on our water for last 4-5 weeks and i only found out by chance there last week. Most people in the area still dont know about it

and then they expect us to pay for water...... when it made me have stomach cramps for a week....

Im from Galway.

About 5 years ago my mother came home from Mass with the church leaflet. it had the timings for confessions, and choir practice and written in pencil at the bottom was "Water not safe to drink".

My Dad(being protestant), suggested it was ethnic cleansing, what with only Mass goers getting the info. My parents have bought their drinking water from Lidl ever since.

I do see metering as a good thing. You pay for what you use.

hoochis

eth0 wrote: »

They could put in a one way valve but they might also rather pocket the money. The pressure isnt that high in a lot of places but really if i was able to supply decent quality water they should allow me to inject water into the supply as with electricity. It might be cheaper than storing the rain water, pump could run only at night

Even if you could pump water into the network, I don't think it would be cost effective for the council. They would have to send out a council worker every so often to collect and test the water you are pumping.

eth0

hoochis wrote: »

Even if you could pump water into the network, I don't think it would be cost effective for the council. They would have to send out a council worker every so often to collect and test the water you are pumping.

With every council worker entitled to a 200e 'getting up off your arse bonus' under the croke park agreement as well as their intention to make a profit out of this it wouldnt be worth it for them at all but that doesnt mean my right to contribute water should be denied. Testing could be done by a private company you send samples in to and occasionally call round to do tests


Having individuals contribute to the system will help competiton and prevent the council from pushing their prices too high

Elfinknight

syklops wrote: »

I do see metering as a good thing. You pay for what you use.

But it has to be drinkable. The Tap water in the Shannon is just pure **** altogether. The dogs won't even drink it.

We easily have to buy 30 litres of water a week for ourselves.

Boombastic

ilovesleep wrote: »

So we are due water charges next year which will be metered.

I recently noticed some new decorations to the side of my rural road. Colouredy slabs of stones that stick up and out from the road. I'm guessing these must be the water meters.

Wouldn't you expect a meter placed outside of every home/house? Instead they are placed every couple hundred metres apart. Like one for every third/fourth house.

Is that it? Neighbours sharing their water bills or something,

Have they got 'S.V.' wrote on them, if so you're in trouble:eek:

hoochis

eth0 wrote: »

With every council worker entitled to a 200e 'getting up off your arse bonus' under the croke park agreement as well as their intention to make a profit out of this it wouldnt be worth it for them at all but that doesnt mean my right to contribute water should be denied. Testing could be done by a private company you send samples in to and occasionally call round to do tests


Having individuals contribute to the system will help competiton and prevent the council from pushing their prices too high

I cant see the economics of it stack up really! You would have to supply an awful lot of water to cover the cost of a pump, rainwater harvesting equipment, maintenance and water testing. 1000 square feet roof coverage will only supply about 100,000 litres of water per year.

kneemos

hoochis wrote: »

I cant see the economics of it stack up really! You would have to supply an awful lot of water to cover the cost of a pump, rainwater harvesting equipment, maintenance and water testing. 1000 square feet roof coverage will only supply about 100,000 litres of water.

Don't think they're gonna let any tom,dick or harry pump untreated water into the system either,you'd have a public outcry.

sunnysoutheast

eth0 wrote: »

hoochis wrote: »

Even if you could pump water into the network, I don't think it would be cost effective for the council. They would have to send out a council worker every so often to collect and test the water you are pumping.

With every council worker entitled to a 200e 'getting up off your arse bonus' under the croke park agreement as well as their intention to make a profit out of this it wouldnt be worth it for them at all but that doesnt mean my right to contribute water should be denied. Testing could be done by a private company you send samples in to and occasionally call round to do tests


Having individuals contribute to the system will help competiton and prevent the council from pushing their prices too high

There will be no feed-in tariff eqivalents for water, if you stop and think about even for a second the idea is ludicrous.

Meters are fitted with non-return valves to prevent backflow. if it is an advanced or smart meter this triggers an alarm which is picked up the next time it is read or transmits data, same with leak alarms.

Capt'n Midnight

Don't worry about the water meters, the cost, like that for bins will be covered by the household charge.




Won't it ?

eth0

kneemos wrote: »

Don't think they're gonna let any tom,dick or harry pump untreated water into the system either,you'd have a public outcry.

A squirt of domestos in the barrel after a good shower, 2 if its after a dry period and the roof of the shed is covered in bird shyte. Itd be grand sure thats what the council do anyway and charge a fortune for it. Also people contributing wont put in any fluoride.

Ould wans will still be crying out but tis sure to improve the water quality from what we have now

WhatNowForUs?

eth0 wrote: »

They could put in a one way valve but they might also rather pocket the money. The pressure isnt that high in a lot of places but really if i was able to supply decent quality water they should allow me to inject water into the supply as with electricity. It might be cheaper than storing the rain water, pump could run only at night

So many things wrong with this. Apart from the economics of it the Health & Safety issue is paramount. Contamination could not be controlled - you can't really contaminate electricity.

Elfinknight

eth0 wrote: »

A squirt of domestos in the barrel after a good shower, 2 if its after a dry period and the roof of the shed is covered in bird shyte. Itd be grand sure thats what the council do anyway and charge a fortune for it. Also people contributing wont put in any fluoride.

Ould wans will still be crying out but tis sure to improve the water quality from what we have now

Anything is an improvement on what comes out of our taps.

shedweller

NegativeCreep wrote: »

And I also can't imagine the price of water being that much. How much could it possibly cost?

I dont think its about the cost of water. Govt coffers more like!

annoyedatthree

news today ...water meters may well never be put in ...the logistics and money to put them in far outweighs the money that would be recovered let alone the cost of maintaining them and reading..Ireland only has to start charging for water by 2014 under the agreement we are NOT obliged by the agreement to install meters and as such it will be a flat charge for everyone governed by the amount of people living in the house..a flat charge the first year then amended the second year..remind you of anything..I am one of the dumb schmucks that that did the water meter course with chevron..I did it because of the advertisements by the government and also by chevron..I am a plumber by trade but you are only allowed to fit them if youve got a cert so i did the course..it cost €500 euros to do ..non plumbers are being charged a thousand euros to do the course ..the cert only lasts 5 years and there wont be meters put in in 5 years so you will have to do it again bullsxxt:mad: corruption in this country is getting to a point of no return as i here on the news just now that a TD put in a bill of €5000 for travel expenses in 1 month yet never left the country...and had it paid...what a place to live in

Am Chile

It now seems its gonna take longer then expected to have domestic water meters installed around the country.

The
government was dead set on bringing in water charges by 2014, however, according
to senior water industry sources it looks like 2016 is a more realistic
target.


For
a while there, all that everyone could talk about was the introduction of water
meters. Then, for some reason (most likely the Household Charge) everyone
stopped talking about them. Well they’re back in the news again and this time it
looks like they’re going to be delayed. Well we’re not complaining...





Apparently,
the water meters can’t be installed until the number and location of all the
stopcocks in your house have been determined and it's taking a lot longer to
find this out than was originally expected.





Minister
for the Environment Phil Hogan initially wanted to get work started by the end
of this year with plans for finishing up in 2014. The government also said that
it would not charge for water until the meters have been installed across the
country.





According
to senior industry sources, the government was a tad off with their prediction
that it would all be completed by 2014 and that finishing by Spring 2016 would
still be a difficult target to reach.

http://www.joe.ie/easygoing-joe/relaxation-101/looks-like-we-wont-have-to-worry-about-water-meters-until-2016-0027975-1

PLANS
TO start installing domestic water meters by the end this year are looking
increasingly remote because of a lack of information on the location of
household water supply points.


Water
meters cannot be installed until the location and number of household stopcocks
has been determined. Tenders for the supply of meters have yet to be
advertised.


Senior
water industry sources now say it would be inconceivable that universal metering
could be in place by 2014, the date by which the Government has committed to
charging for water. The sources say it will now be 2016, at the earliest, before
national metering could be achieved.


In
addition, they warn the upfront installation of meters by the Government target
date of 2014, would be prohibitively expensive and could result in households
being charged more than if a flat charge were used initially.


Minister
for the Environment Phil Hogan said last April the installation of water metres
would begin before the end of this year and would be completed by 2014.The
Government has also said it will not charge for water until meters have been
installed nationally.


A
pilot survey to establish the number and location of stopcocks in three local
authority areas is set to begin in October.


Fingal,
Kerry and Wexford are understood to be the first counties to be surveyed in an
attempt to establish how many stopcocks, which are located underground,
generally just outside property boundaries, are serving homes across the
State.


The
pilot surveys alone are likely to take several months to complete. It is not
known when the remaining 30 local authorities will begin assessing the location
of their stopcocks.


One
senior figure in the local authority water sector said it would take about four
to six months to conduct the pilot surveys.


“I
can’t see how there’ll be meters in the ground on a national basis in 2014,” the
source added. “If everything went extremely smoothly in the procurement process
they could be finished in Spring 2016, but that would be a best case
scenario

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/0831/1224323383072.html
It its gonna take that long to install water meters-I predict they will attempt to apply a flat rate water charge for the next few years, given if its set to take four years to install the meters.