Parades commission is useless and toothless

TOMASJ

whitelines wrote: »

Actually, religious observance does take place in Orange halls.

You can have religious observance in your greenhouse,

That dosent make it the same as a church

You can also have UVF meetings in an Orange hall "that has happened in the past"

whitelines

TOMASJ wrote: »

You can have religious observance in your greenhouse,

That dosent make it the same as a church

You can also have UVF meetings in an Orange hall "that has happened in the past"

A 'church' is nothing but stones and mortar to any true Christian. The word church refers to all true believers collectively.

I don't mind where The UVF met.

TOMASJ

whitelines wrote: »

A 'church' is nothing but stones and mortar to any true Christian. The word church refers to all true believers collectively.

I don't mind where The UVF met.

So why the hullabaloo about HJY band passing Clifton Street Orange Hall is is made from something other than stones and mortar

whitelines

TOMASJ wrote: »

So why the hullabaloo about HJY band passing Clifton Street Orange Hall is is made from something other than stones and mortar

I've no idea. Have you any thoughts?

Chuck Stone

whitelines wrote: »

A 'church' is nothing but stones and mortar

And the Pyramids are just a big bunch of stones.

What would you know about 'true Christians' anyway.

I'm sure the inciter to hatred and all round scourge of the north 'Rev' Ian Paisley would consider himself a 'true Christian'.

Doesn't say much for 'true Christians'.

TOMASJ

whitelines wrote: »

I've no idea. Have you any thoughts?

About what? the hullabaloo about HJY band passing Clifton Street Orange Hall,
or what the the Orange Temple is built from,

whitelines

TOMASJ wrote: »

About what? the hullabaloo about HJY band passing Clifton Street Orange Hall,
or what the the Orange Temple is built from,

The hullabaloo.

TOMASJ

whitelines wrote: »

The hullabaloo.

Ask Jelle1880 a few posts back he was the poster who gave the one sided view on what happened at the "Orange stone and mortar building"

junder

Some breaking news for you.
Orange order has withdrawn its application to parade past the arydone shops this september

http://www.u.tv/News/Ardoyne-Covenant-parade-withdrawn/6bf32550-1ec0-41fa-bfae-7aaa35ba5537

Chuck Stone

junder wrote: »

Some breaking news for you.
Orange order has withdrawn its application to parade past the arydone shops this september

The situation seems to be cooling down somewhat which is good for the people of the north.

A LOYAL order apology to the priests and parishioners of a Belfast city centre Catholic church – viewed as unprecedented – has calmed some of the tensions around a massive Orange Order parade taking place in Belfast at the end of the month

irishtimes.com

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Good to see that the calm heads seem to be prevailing.

woodoo

junder wrote: »

Some breaking news for you.
Orange order has withdrawn its application to parade past the arydone shops this september

http://www.u.tv/News/Ardoyne-Covenant-parade-withdrawn/6bf32550-1ec0-41fa-bfae-7aaa35ba5537

I don't trust the OO at all. Cancelling the application and apologising about the church. Something is brewing. I wonder what cunning plan they have up there sleeve.

junder

woodoo wrote: »

junder wrote: »

Some breaking news for you.
Orange order has withdrawn its application to parade past the arydone shops this september

http://www.u.tv/News/Ardoyne-Covenant-parade-withdrawn/6bf32550-1ec0-41fa-bfae-7aaa35ba5537

I don't trust the OO at all. Cancelling the application and apologising about the church. Something is brewing. I wonder what cunning plan they have up there sleeve.

Nice to see a posertive move well recieved

woodoo

junder wrote: »

Nice to see a posertive move well recieved

If its genuine and there isn't some monstrous plan for the covenant march then i think that is a good move and to be welcomed.

junder

woodoo wrote: »

junder wrote: »

Nice to see a posertive move well recieved

If its genuine and there isn't some monstrous plan for the covenant march then i think that is a good move and to be welcomed.

And just what 'monstrous' plan do you think they might have

woodoo

junder wrote: »

And just what 'monstrous' plan do you think they might have

I don't know Junder its just a feeling, possibly based on the past. We will see after the 28th Sep. If i am wrong i'll happily eat my words.

thecommietommy

Interesting perspective form the UK Independent, it could have been written bt Sinn Fein :eek:

Riots on the streets of Belfast look alarmingly like a return to the bad old days. Indeed, the sight of an Orange band marching in circles and playing a sectarian tune in front of a Catholic church may prompt claims that nothing has changed. Not so.

The symmetry that outsiders tend to see between Northern Ireland's Protestant and Catholic halves is superficial. The Protestant loyalist working-class community of the past was one where boys left school at 16 and moved straight into well-paid jobs in the shipyards or heavy engineering companies from which Catholics were excluded. Today, the jobs have gone but the culture, which placed a low premium on education, remains.
By contrast, the Catholic working class put much greater emphasis on schooling. With the legislating away of institutional anti-Catholic discrimination over the past decades, the Catholic community has had a lift distinctly absent in working-class loyalist areas, whose paramilitaries were behind this week's riots.
Politics may have delivered a peace in which the economy, investment and tourism have been normalised, but there has been no big peace dividend in terms of new jobs for either working-class community. Marches and parades – and disputes about them – are the tribal badges which attach to this divide. And where politics has absolutely failed is in attempts to replace the much-criticised Parades Commission which places conditions on republican and loyalist marches. Politicians on both sides came up with an alternative in 2010 but it was shelved after opposition from the Orange Order. The politicians gave up too easily, and these riots are the price.
One positive development has been that Presbyterian and Anglican Church leaders, who have previously tacitly supported the Orange Order, have this week roundly condemned it. The loyalist unemployed need jobs. But the Orange Order also needs to know that all sides – from Martin McGuinness to the Moderator of the Presbyterian Church – are intent on moving in a very different direction, leaving its members to keep marching round in circles.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/leading-article-belfast-riots-are-price-of-poor-politics-8104900.html

Jelle1880

TOMASJ wrote: »

Ask Jelle1880 a few posts back he was the poster who gave the one sided view on what happened at the "Orange stone and mortar building"

'One sided view' for trying to show the other side of the issue

Have you read the OP ?
Now there's a one sided view if ever I saw one, but trust you to agree with it.

By the way, since you seemed to have missed that point completely:
I'm not saying an Orange Hall is worth more than a Church, it was Fenian Army who seemed to imply that a Roman Catholic Church was more important.

Fenian Army

No heed was paid to the PC yet again with another march featuring sectarian songs and other prohibited behavior... loyalist supporters heckled bands which obeyed the ruling and played only hymns, and cheered those who didn't.

Fenian Army

Fenian Army wrote: »

No heed was paid to the PC yet again with another march featuring sectarian songs and other prohibited behavior... loyalist supporters heckled bands which obeyed the ruling and played only hymns, and cheered those who didn't.

They sound like you, only Loyalist.

Fenian Army

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

They sound like you, only Loyalist.

How so?
(considering you don't even know me)

Chuck Stone

Fenian Army wrote: »

No heed was paid to the PC yet again with another march featuring sectarian songs and other prohibited behavior... loyalist supporters heckled bands which obeyed the ruling and played only hymns, and cheered those who didn't.

Any sources there FA?

Jelle1880

He obviously attended.

From what I heard things like the ban on playing near St Patrick's Church were followed.

Fenian Army

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Any sources there FA?

Friends who live there, I'm sure I can dig up some links though if you want?

Chuck Stone

Fenian Army wrote: »

Friends who live there, I'm sure I can dig up some links though if you want?

No you're fine. I'll take your word for it. It'll probably surface of its own accord.

woodoo

Some man decided to urinate on the church gates.