The Obama Personality cult

AngeGal

WumBuster wrote: »

I dont have any far right or racist agenda. It seems to be almost illegal to criticise or say anything bad about Obama. And Im not presenting any of the above as fact, just a theory, one which I believe has a certain amount of truth in.[/QUOTE]


That's the problem with the world these days, everyone has their own 'theory'....god be with the days when one was required to have even a semblance of proof before presenting their bull**** to the public.

It's akin to journalists saying "This story, if true.....".

WumBuster

Boombastic wrote: »

Isn't Madonnas brother homeless, and Cheryl Coles brother is a erm..., the plot thickens :eek:

Ya well then Obama is on the same level of those people in terms of narcissism i.e self absorbed and only looks out for people who can further them

Jimoslimos

Shryke wrote: »

He's not perfect but he's better than Bush, miles better than Romney. McCain and Palin, can you imagine? He's better than Clinton in my book too.

Which one? Hillary or Bill?

For the record I reckon Hillary Clinton would have made a far better president than Obama. Not that Obama's done a bad job or anything.

Pherekydes

It says something about people when they think calling Obama an intellectual is an insult.

wow sierra

George Obama seems like an articulate, well adjusted person . His main problem, according to the interview, is the misrepresetation of his life in the western media. Why is the OP continuing to do that under the pretence of being on his side??

robman60

While the whole thing of personality cult may seem a little extreme, I do think he's a complete failure president who got elected on meaningless speeches and things like "Yes we can" which have no actual meaning.

I also think he's obsessed with personal gain and killing Bin Laden was just another publicity stunt in my opinion.

El Guapo!

WumBuster wrote: »

Ya well then Obama is on the same level of those people in terms of narcissism i.e self absorbed and only looks out for people who can further them

So what actually is your problem with President Obama?
Do you disagree with his policies?
Do you disagree with his personality?
Do you have any recommendations for the way he should operate in future?

Or did you just read an outlandish, inaccurate article and then regurgitate it here without doing any of your own research and then forming your own opinions?
You keep throwing around the word narcissism. Did you just learn that word and like the sound of it? Because from your posts that seems to be your main gripe with him. Last I checked, being narcissistic wasn't a crime.
And what is your agenda when it comes to his nationality? Surely he has proved his nationality beyond doubt already.

SharpshooterTom

Shryke wrote: »

He's not perfect but he's better than Bush, miles better than Romney. McCain and Palin, can you imagine? He's better than Clinton in my book too. There is a large amount of people in the world who want to believe all sorts of nefarious things about Obama and I really think they're sub-intelligent mouth breathers that can't grasp the actual politics and realities. That's not a slur to the OP, I'm speaking in general, although I can see how it would be insulting.

The polls disagree with you there. Most Americans think Clinton's been a much better president than Obama. Oh and his approval ratings back it up.

Red21

Imagine if you were running for president op, you've only made a few posts on this thread and you've already lied.

WumBuster wrote: »

I rest my case.

WumBuster wrote: »

Ya well then Obama is on the same level of those people in terms of narcissism i.e self absorbed and only looks out for people who can further them

WumBuster

robman60 wrote: »

While the whole thing of personality cult may seem a little extreme, I do think he's a complete failure president who got elected on meaningless speeches and things like "Yes we can" which have no actual meaning.

I also think he's obsessed with personal gain and killing Bin Laden was just another publicity stunt in my opinion.

exactly what Im getting at. His speeches are directed to dumb down a certain audience with soundbites and slogans, and to elevate his cult persona further, without really saying anything. he's just an actor basically, they might as well have put Denzel Washington in the White House.

The whole Bin laden thing, well he knew if he could achieve that it would immortalize his presidency, hence the big risk he took.

Witcher

WumBuster wrote: »

The whole Bin laden thing, well he knew if he could achieve that it would immortalize his presidency, hence the big risk he took.

'Big risk'? Bush started a fcuking war to get Bin Laden..Obama's presidency simply oversaw a raid on a suspected hideout...how many of those were likely undertaken by Bush but the story never saw the light of day because OBL wasn't there? I've read similar ramblings on this issue 'oh Obama just did it for gain'...so any other president would have let OBL go? I don't think anyone attributes the success to Obama as much as they do the SEALs.

AngeGal

WumBuster wrote: »

exactly what Im getting at. His speeches are directed to dumb down a certain audience with soundbites and slogans, and to elevate his cult persona further, without really saying anything. he's just an actor basically, they might as well have put Denzel Washington in the White House.

The whole Bin laden thing, well he knew if he could achieve that it would immortalize his presidency, hence the big risk he took.

What on earth are you talking about? Can you name a single politician who doesn't use slogans? He's just an actor, an actor who happens to have been the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review? A professor of constitutional law at the University of Chicago? An actor who had the courage to oppose the Iraq war when even many democrats were voting for it? Would Bush or McCain not have taken out Osama?

Son Of A Vidic

imme wrote: »

Obama is a president not a cult OP.

Yet for many, the lines are often blurred.

wow sierra

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

The polls disagree with you there. Most Americans think Clinton's been a much better president than Obama. Oh and his approval ratings back it up. [/QUOTE

"Polls" and "approval ratings" and "most American's think" - basically the same thing three times. The poster was offering his/her opinion by saying "in my opinion" not claiming to speak for all Americans. Someone suggested earlier that anyone would have beaten Bush - the same applies to popularity in a recession - any leader is unpopular in a recession. It's difficult to make a realistic comparison between Clinton and Obama given the differenct circumstances of the terms in office.

blatantrereg

I'd be more concerned by him allowing indefinite detention without charge for American citizens than any of that really!
Also he said there are 57 states in the USA.
The democrats aren't that much better than the republicans maybe.
Green Party or independents are the only way to go.

starbelgrade

I read somewhere that Obama had a brother who died recently, called Obama Bin Laden, who was linked with the terrorist organisation, the DUP and that they were directly involved in carrying out atrocities and were behind funding the stage show of "Lord of the Dance".

Fromthetrees

Dean09 wrote: »

The guy who wrote that article in the OP is a few sandwiches short of a picnic himself. He has offered $50,000 to anyone who can disprove his theory that the prophet Mohammad was "a narcissist, a misogynist, a rapist, a pedophile, a lecher, a torturer, a mass murderer, a cult leader, an assassin, a terrorist, a madman and a looter".

Stupid article, stupid author, stupid argument. I think this belongs in CT.

Mohammed pretty much is all those things btw, he's not too far wrong on that account.

Sindri

WumBuster wrote: »

Found this interesting article that examines the theory that Obama is basically a chronic narcissist, like a cult leader, who has come from nowhere and fooled everyone by creating this messianic like persona around him. I do agree with lots of it. When i first saw this guy i was like wtf, he's too smooth, too good to be true, people screaming, and crying deliriously at his speeches etc hasnt been seen in the western world since probably Hitler.

Whats odd is that there are so many question marks about his background, his place of birth etc. The fact that his own brother is living in a shack in a third world country on one dollar a day shows that Obama only cares about those who contribute to his ego, like any such narcissist. The fact that there was a less than 50/50 chance that osama Bin laden was in the house when they shot him, didnt deter him risking Soldier's lives as he saw the potential headlines and personal credit coming his way, like a narcissist would have done.The list goes on. read the article if your interested, that shows Obama to be a conman really. http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html

BTW I dont find his wife a particularly nice person. She seems to be constantly trying to hog his limelight and even reprimands him in public which makes you wonder who is really wearing the trousers. there is something Bonny and Clyde about the whole thing, Ive included a second article about a book that was written about how Michelle Obama is acting inside the white house. Causing rows, being demanding with staff and getting them fired, spending extravagance on clothes etc and fighting with her husband. Also the racially aggravating statements that she makes I feel is inappropriate. She and her husband are supposed to be representing all the people of America. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/michelle-obama/8999823/Michelle-Obama-clashed-repeatedly-with-top-White-House-aides-and-rebuked-the-president-new-book-reveals.html

There was a book written recently (a few years ago) comparing the similarities between Hitler's rise to power and Obama's rise. Populism and all that, economic crises and the like. I don't think it made any claims like you are, I think it was merely a comparison and sort of treatise on populism. The same book, I think, or a journalist, I'm not sure also called Obama a narcissist, and compared him to other politicians who were suspected of being the same except the sort of narcissist they said he was was not a malignant narcissist or some different type of narcissist (the exact name escapes me, sorry ), something which is suspected about many politicians and businessmen/women but nothing really abhorrent.

Shryke

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Shryke wrote: »

He's not perfect but he's better than Bush, miles better than Romney. McCain and Palin, can you imagine? He's better than Clinton in my book too.

Which one? Hillary or Bill?

For the record I reckon Hillary Clinton would have made a far better president than Obama. Not that Obama's done a bad job or anything.

I was referring to Bill. I don't really care how he's doing in opinion polls. A snake is a snake. Hillary is something else though. It's difficult to imagine her putting a foot wrong and she has bigger balls than her husband.

Sindri

blatantrereg wrote: »

I'd be more concerned by him allowing indefinite detention without charge for American citizens than any of that really!
Also he said there are 57 states in the USA.
The democrats aren't that much better than the republicans maybe.
Green Party or independents are the only way to go.

He said he'd been to 57 states as he'd at that time visited that many states, only the 48 continental states but he'd visited some of them on numerous occasions while campaigning, that is what he was referring to.

ArtSmart

WumBuster wrote: »

Found this interesting article that examines the theory that Obama is basically a chronic narcissist, like a cult leader, who has come from nowhere and fooled everyone by creating this messianic like persona around him. I do agree with lots of it. When i first saw this guy i was like wtf, he's too smooth, too good to be true, people screaming, and crying deliriously at his speeches etc hasnt been seen in the western world since probably Hitler.

Whats odd is that there are so many question marks about his background, his place of birth etc. The fact that his own brother is living in a shack in a third world country on one dollar a day shows that Obama only cares about those who contribute to his ego, like any such narcissist. The fact that there was a less than 50/50 chance that osama Bin laden was in the house when they shot him, didnt deter him risking Soldier's lives as he saw the potential headlines and personal credit coming his way, like a narcissist would have done.The list goes on. read the article if your interested, that shows Obama to be a conman really. http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html

BTW I dont find his wife a particularly nice person. She seems to be constantly trying to hog his limelight and even reprimands him in public which makes you wonder who is really wearing the trousers. there is something Bonny and Clyde about the whole thing, Ive included a second article about a book that was written about how Michelle Obama is acting inside the white house. Causing rows, being demanding with staff and getting them fired, spending extravagance on clothes etc and fighting with her husband. Also the racially aggravating statements that she makes I feel is inappropriate. She and her husband are supposed to be representing all the people of America. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/michelle-obama/8999823/Michelle-Obama-clashed-repeatedly-with-top-White-House-aides-and-rebuked-the-president-new-book-reveals.html

you're an idiot.

Biggins

WumBuster wrote: »

exactly what Im getting at. His speeches are directed to dumb down a certain audience with soundbites and slogans, and to elevate his cult persona further, without really saying anything. he's just an actor basically, they might as well have put Denzel Washington in the White House.

The whole Bin laden thing, well he knew if he could achieve that it would immortalize his presidency, hence the big risk he took.

Show me a politician on any side of a fence who don't tail their words to a target audience!

Show me a politician on any side of a fence who speaks not to elevate themselves!

Show me a politician on any side of a fence that doesn't do a bit of acting for an audience or camera!

So what the fcuk is the difference between him and any other politician - on ANY side of the political fence!

...they might as well have put Denzel Washington in the White House.

Why?
...Because he is black?
...Is all you can see, is colour?

Some people only see want they want to politically see - vastly like a horse wearing blinkers!
Its pure stupidity!

WumBuster

Dean09 wrote: »

So what actually is your problem with President Obama?
Do you disagree with his policies?
Do you disagree with his personality?
Do you have any recommendations for the way he should operate in future?

Or did you just read an outlandish, inaccurate article and then regurgitate it here without doing any of your own research and then forming your own opinions?
You keep throwing around the word narcissism. Did you just learn that word and like the sound of it? Because from your posts that seems to be your main gripe with him. Last I checked, being narcissistic wasn't a crime.
And what is your agenda when it comes to his nationality? Surely he has proved his nationality beyond doubt already.

I dont know if you read the full article but while narcissism is not a crime, its a personality disorder whereby the person is delusional and overestimates themselves beyond reality. Do you think its acceptable to have a person with such a disorder to be running the world basically? They are basically selfish people with only the best interests of themselves, not the wider public at heart. What Im saying is that Obama is fundamentally a fly by night, a phoney, and his decisions and demeanour are dictated by what makes him look good, which i think is on a level way greater than say Clinton and Bush who werent as invested in pleasing all the people all the time hence, the detractors, for Obama which there is relatively few. Tony Blair i would argue is up there too with Obama in this regard. Look at his reputation now from the golden boy he was in office. I think history will look similarly on Obama.

AngeGal

WumBuster wrote: »

I dont know if you read the full article but while narcissism is not a crime, its a personality disorder whereby the person is delusional and overestimates themselves beyond reality. Do you think its acceptable to have a person with such a disorder to be running the world basically? They are basically selfish people with only the best interests of themselves, not the wider public at heart. What Im saying is that Obama is fundamentally a fly by night, a phoney, and his decisions and demeanour are dictated by what makes him look good, which i think is on a level way greater than say Clinton and Bush who werent as invested in pleasing all the people all the time hence, the detractors, for Obama which there is relatively few. Tony Blair i would argue is up there too with Obama in this regard. Look at his reputation now from the golden boy he was in office. I think history will look similarly on Obama.

Please expain why the 'author' of the 'article' is qualified to come to such a conclusion. Or is he just a crackpot?

blatantrereg

Sindri wrote: »

He said he'd been to 57 states as he'd at that time visited that many states, only the 48 continental states but he'd visited some of them on numerous occasions while campaigning, that is what he was referring to.

That's a good spin, and I hoped you were correct [that he didn't really think there were 57+ states in the USA]. I really dont think you are though, looking at the vid again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrsBKGpwi58

Run_to_da_hills

ArtSmart wrote: »

you're an idiot.

In the run up to WW2 People that criticized Adolf Hitler were also considered Idiots.

AngeGal

blatantrereg wrote: »

That's a good spin, and I hoped you were correct [that he didn't really think there were 57+ states in the USA]. I really dont think you are though, looking at the vid again:

Even if he isn't correct, the guy was was running for president and probably seriously sleep deprived. I mean no-one really thinks Obama didn't know how many states there are right? Despite my view of Romney, I won't make fun of him for making the occasional similar blunder in the coming months, unless it reaches Bush levels of course.

AngeGal

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

In the run up to WW2 People that criticized Adolf Hitler were also considered Idiots.

Source please.

Biggins

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

In the run up to WW2 People that criticized Adolf Hitler were also considered Idiots.

A lot of them I suspect IN Germany, was tainted as traitors - and others outside of Germany, were maybe called insightful?

...but then I'm guessing.

take everything

blatantrereg wrote: »

That's a good spin, and I hoped you were correct [that he didn't really think there were 57+ states in the USA]. I really dont think you are though, looking at the vid again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrsBKGpwi58

Oh FFS.
Pretty clear that was just a slip of the tongue. he was obviously thinking "close to 50" when he says "fifty..." and pauses momentarily (obviously searching for the exact figure) then simply appends the seven, really meaning 47. A brain fart basically.