Your Unpopular Rock & Metal Opinions

Say Your Number · 30-08-2012 11:38pm

nyarlothothep wrote: »

I like The Darkness, they fckin' rip it up. Amazing band.

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Actually, you know the way AC/DC have one song they've played for 40 something years? Well Iron Maiden are the same except their song is sh1tter.

Do you notice any similarity in these two songs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGqrjfes-oE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN_su0P9tU0

Joe_Dull · 30-08-2012 11:49pm

Hyperbullet wrote: »

Korn should have stopped making music 10 years ago.

The thread title is "Unpopular Rock & Metal Opinions" fella...

ride-the-spiral · 31-08-2012 2:03am

Number of the Beast is the worst Iron Maiden album I've listened to, which is out of about 7 of them.

The only thrash metal band that has interested me ever is Metallica. Megadeth, Anthrax, Slayer have one or two songs that I might listen to but I found any album quite boring.

Some of the best music has come out since 2000.

I think the categorization of metal into many subgenres is a good thing and extremely helpful in finding new bands.

Cynic's show in Dublin was the only metal gig I've been to which I can describe as being in anyway at a reasonable volume level. I know it's probably not unpopular on here but this whole "Metal needs to be loud!" thing is ridiculous.

PickledLime · 31-08-2012 3:37am

Malice wrote: »

There have been a few instances of threads like this on other music forums so here is one for the Rock & Metal audience.

Off the top of my head:
I freely admit that I like Nu Metal. I think that a lot of people equate Nu Metal with Fred Durst. Their loss.

How so?

Malice · 31-08-2012 7:52am

PickledLime wrote: »

How so?

It's their loss because if someone's going to dismiss nu metal because they don't like Fred Durst then they are missing out on a lot of top quality music.

darconio · 31-08-2012 9:38am

I can't stand ANY of the NWOBHM bands
Led Zeppelin are boring
I also think that you don't need any AC/DC album as, when you listen to 1 song, you've served yourself their whole discography with their monotonous 4/4 beat

nyarlothothep · 31-08-2012 11:29am

Say Your Number wrote: »

Do you notice any similarity in these two songs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGqrjfes-oE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN_su0P9tU0

Apart from having similar chords and a bluesy melody they're not really the same song. Every Inch of You (which incidentally has exquisite guitar tones) is a lot more glam, in fact it reminds me more of Tie Your Mother Down by Queen or similar bombastic swaggering tunes from the glam era. It's not a direct lift, certainly not in the sense of Dazed and Confused by Led Zep or Dani Callifornia by RHCP.

jpm4 · 31-08-2012 12:39pm

The majority of women's involvement in metal comes across as tokenism at best and embarrassing crap at worst. It won't be remembered.

The first 3 Dickinson Iron Maiden albums are rather patchy and not anywhere as good as the first 2 Di'anno albums.

Most of what Cradle of Filth did in the 90s was excellent.

The genre as a whole has been on a creative decline since the 90s and has very little new left to offer us, save some individiual bands here and there.

endacl · 31-08-2012 12:47pm

I dislike basalt. Also aluminium.

Music-wise though, its make-up. All the way from early Alice Cooper and Kiss, to daft Scandinavian corpse paint. It just looks daft. Stop.

Immediately.

Malice · 31-08-2012 1:33pm

jpm4 wrote: »

The majority of women's involvement in metal comes across as tokenism at best and embarrassing crap at worst. It won't be remembered.

:eek: Can we get some example of what you regard to be "embarrassing crap"?

endacl · 31-08-2012 1:46pm

Malice wrote: »

jpm4 wrote: »

The majority of women's involvement in metal comes across as tokenism at best and embarrassing crap at worst. It won't be remembered.

:eek: Can we get some example of what you regard to be "embarrassing crap"?

Even though I don't agree with the 'tokenism' remark, the Great Kat is one fine example of cringesome cringeworthiness. On the other hand, we've had decades now of Jo Bench ripping it up on bass with Bolt Thrower. Tokenism? I think not...

Lawrence1895 · 31-08-2012 1:46pm

I hereby admit having a crush on Sarah Jezebel Deva...but wait...'unpopular'...did she ever do a gig in Dublin? Or did I miss it, because I was in work, as per usual?

jpm4 · 31-08-2012 2:15pm

Malice wrote: »

:eek: Can we get some example of what you regard to be "embarrassing crap"?

Evanescence
Diablo Swing Orchestra
Darkmoor
Within Tempation
Xandria
My Ruin

etc

Bear in mind this is the "Unpopular Opinions" thread so no need to get the knives out, and I absolutely believe these bands will be a footnote at best when it comes to writing the history of the genre.

I think all this was done to death in another thread anyway.

Malice · 31-08-2012 3:23pm

jpm4 wrote: »

Bear in mind this is the "Unpopular Opinions" thread so no need to get the knives out

Trust me, I started the thread so I know what it is

. I wasn't getting the knives out at all, no need to be so sensitive. I was just curious what or who you were going to come up with. For the record I'd be of the opinion that Evanescence's early stuff up to and including Fallen is brilliant and well worth checking out. Everything after that is more or less forgettable sadly.
Diablo Swing Orchestra never appealed to me for some reason.
Darkmoor I've never heard of

Within Temptation possess a fantastic female singer. Unfortunately as good as her voice is, it's the same problem as Xandria in that a lot of the band's output is a bit dull and the excellent vocals can't save them.
Xandria are also a bit hit and miss. Out of their four albums there's about one album's worth of good songs

.
My Ruin I'm not too gone on either.

Links234 · 31-08-2012 3:25pm

Lars1916 wrote: »

I hereby admit having a crush on Sarah Jezebel Deva...but wait...'unpopular'...did she ever do a gig in Dublin? Or did I miss it, because I was in work, as per usual?

she was here with Cradle of Filth when they played in the button factory back in 01. I met her, she was lovely.

Lawrence1895 · 31-08-2012 3:30pm

Links234 wrote: »

she was here with Cradle of Filth when they played in the button factory back in 01. I met her, she was lovely.

So 3 years before I came to Ireland?

I saw her with Therion in 1998, was talking to her after the gig, the only thing, I could say was...'may I get you a drink?' She smiled, I blushed and started stuttering like I don't know what

PickledLime · 31-08-2012 5:13pm

Malice wrote: »

It's their loss because if someone's going to dismiss nu metal because they don't like Fred Durst then they are missing out on a lot of top quality music.

That's probably what i should have asked - where/what's the quality music that sits under the nu-metal umbrella?

PickledLime · 31-08-2012 5:20pm

If ye're in the market for some decent female-fronted metal bands, ye could do a lot worse than Aghora or Madder Mortem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdG-J9mvHMw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfD6lo_7o0U

Dark Artist · 31-08-2012 6:08pm

I'm of the unpopular opinion that Evanescence in particular are scoffed at more than they deserve. Most of their stuff including The Open Door is fairly solid in my opinion, and pretty out there as far as mainstream rock music goes. Their influence goes unrecognized despite the fact that they are to thank for the huge surge in popularity of female-fronted bands over the last decade, even more reputable ones such as Nightwish.

Malice · 31-08-2012 6:21pm

PickledLime wrote: »

That's probably what i should have asked - where/what's the quality music that sits under the nu-metal umbrella?

Are you asking because you genuinely want to know or because regardless of what bands or albums I list you're just going to dismiss them?

RayCon · 31-08-2012 8:25pm

Malice wrote: »

What's the 1% that you do like?

I'd have to look at your last 100 posts in that thread and chose the least worst

GLaDOS · 31-08-2012 8:39pm

I think Red Hot Chilli Peppers later stuff is pretty good.

I also find separating music into different genres to be helpful.

I really enjoyed the last Opeth album, as well as Damnation. (Not sure how unpopular this is)

Joe_Dull · 31-08-2012 9:26pm

Here's a few examples of good nu-metal, in response to the previous poster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inNCS_qJBTo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBcJR85KC5o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjVkXlxsO8Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFc-2aNZ6VY

Somnus · 31-08-2012 9:54pm

Would Halo be considered Nu Metal? I remember that on Kerrang years ago. Class song

Somnus · 31-08-2012 10:09pm

In terms of unpopular opinions, I like the near excessive sub-genres.

Saying something is just metal is way to broad. Myself and my room mate would both say we like metal, but we like so many different bands that the other doesn't.

He loves thrash, I hate it.
I'm getting into Doom, he hates that.
Even in death metal, I prefer the newer stuff like Nile, Suffocation etc. He prefers the older stuff like Obituary.

I find having a more distinct name for the style handy as I can instantly get some idea of what to expect.

Joe_Dull · 31-08-2012 10:56pm

Dr.Poca wrote: »

Would Halo be considered Nu Metal? I remember that on Kerrang years ago. Class song

Chunky bassy riffs, no guitar solo, gruff syncopated vocals; it would seem to fit the bill alright. Yeah, love that tune.

Doctor Jimbob · 01-09-2012 7:47am

Say Your Number wrote: »

Do you notice any similarity in these two songs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGqrjfes-oE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN_su0P9tU0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6hzsrqyGPs

This song alone blows any of the repetitive nonsense AC/DC ever came up up with out of the water IMO.

That's bound to be unpopular

Edit: Also, that AC/DC song sounds much more like other AC/DC songs than it sounds like the darkness one, with the expection of the opening riff.

lord lucan · 01-09-2012 10:46am

I hate Tool with a passion,a load of pretentious wanky nonsense imo.

This could also be described as the vent thread.:)

Cill94 · 01-09-2012 11:35am

Opeth are hugely overrated, and I believe they're only as big as they are because of how many people use them as a gateway band before moving onto heavier stuff (which I myself once did). Plus I don't mind long songs but an entire album of 10+ minute songs gets pretty monotonous.

There is nothing wrong with having sub genres in metal to categorise the wide variety of styles, and people who complain and say "it's all just metal" piss me off to no end. However, arguing over tiny details such as whether a band is brutal tech death or just tech death is ridiculous.

The following are not genres, just lyrical themes: Viking metal, Pagan metal, Christian metal etc.

I really dislike almost all female vocalists in metal - I don't think the two mix well. The exception is Somme from Cerebral Bore because of how deep her voice is.

nyarlothothep · 01-09-2012 12:42pm

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6hzsrqyGPs

This song alone blows any of the repetitive nonsense AC/DC ever came up up with out of the water IMO.

That's bound to be unpopular

Edit: Also, that AC/DC song sounds much more like other AC/DC songs than it sounds like the darkness one, with the expection of the opening riff.

Also Pat Pong Ladies is a great song, can't believe they didn't include it as a proper song, its a bonus track on the special release as a demo version. That and Canonball with the flute solo should be included on the standard release.

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