4,000 new citizens, a day to celebrate.

SocSocPol

4,000 people from 115 different countries became Irish citizens today
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0830/4-000-become-irish-citizens.html
Justice Minister Alan Shatter described our new fellow citizens as having "enriched the country", I have to say I whole heartedly agree with him.
Since these ceramonies began last June 14,000 people have become Irish citizens.

Dyr

coat dragging thread drags it coat

Agricola

Feckin foreigners, comin over 'ere tekken our............. er...... nevermind!

studiorat

fcuking paddies! breedin' like rabbits

The_Minister

Great, we can fill some of the space made by young people forced to leave.

SEPT 23 1989

All working hard i hope

Dyr

The_Minister wrote: »

Great, we can fill some of the space made by young people forced to leave.

If we can have more of the old irish leave we'll have more space for the shiney new Irish to "enrich the country" even more. Huzzah!

conorhal

SocSocPol wrote: »

4,000 people from 115 different countries became Irish citizens today
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0830/4-000-become-irish-citizens.html
Justice Minister Alan Shatter described our new fellow citizens as having "enriched the country", I have to say I whole heartedly agree with him.
Since these ceramonies began last June 14,000 people have become Irish citizens.

I've really tired of this 'culturally enriched' meme that the left perpetrate, many of whom are the very same people that that rather ironically sneer at any and every assertion of indigenous Irish culture.

I've also yet to experience this 'cultural enrichment', or have anybody explain exactly how my life has been 'enhanced’ by it.
Perhaps I have failed to fully appreciate the cultural value of my Eastern European neighbors all night vodka parties and casual knife crime (neighbor stabbed to death a few years ago at a party). Nor does my trip into work feel 'enhanced' by the burka brigade on the bus with their kids and male 'chaperone', in fact I find it somewhat disquieting to have to sit in proximity to somebody wearing a mask and seated next to her bouncer. Nor does half of Nigeria swaggering around the Square where I shop dressed as identikit gangstas in their trackies and chains seem very 'culturally enhancing' either, and I've yet to figure out how the default cultural expression of most Africans in the area appears to be the culture of South Central Los Angeles to which (as far as I can gather anyway) they have no connection.

I get the distinct feeling that those who bang on about 'cultural vibrancy' tend to be the kind of people that turn up at the annual DunLaoghaire 'Festival of Cultures' to eat a samosa, watch some Thai's dance and buy a colorful hat before fecking off back home to Dublin 4, because they sure as hell don't live in the pretty alienating world of vibrant multicultural Dublin that I do.

Colmustard

HaHA saps don't they know the place is sinking talk about backing the wrong horse.

I just hope some of them are good at track and field.

Pherekydes

Any potential Usain Bolts amongst them?

AnonoBoy

Wow! The thread lasted 8 posts before the bitterness started.

That's got to be some sort of record.

Colmustard

conorhal wrote: »

I've really tired of this 'culturally enriched' meme that the left perpetrate, many of whom are the very same people that that rather ironically sneer at any and every assertion of indigenous Irish culture.

I've also yet to experience this 'cultural enrichment', or have anybody explain exactly how my life has been 'enhanced’ by it.
Perhaps I have failed to fully appreciate the cultural value of my Eastern European neighbors all night vodka parties and casual knife crime (neighbor stabbed to death a few years ago at a party). Nor does my trip into work feel 'enhanced' by the burka brigade on the bus with their kids and male 'chaperone', in fact I find it somewhat disquieting to have to sit in proximity to somebody wearing a mask and seated next to her bouncer. Nor does half of Nigeria swaggering around the Square where I shop dressed as identikit gangstas in their trackies and chains seem very 'culturally enhancing' either, and I've yet to figure out how the default cultural expression of most Africans in the area appears to be the culture of South Central Los Angeles to which (as far as I can gather anyway) they have no connection.

I get the distinct feeling that those who bang on about 'cultural vibrancy' tend to be the kind of people that turn up at the annual DunLaoghaire 'Festival of Cultures' to eat a samosa, watch some Thai's dance and buy a colorful hat before fecking off back home to Dublin 4, because they sure as hell don't live in the pretty alienating world of vibrant multicultural Dublin that I do.

I don't feel culturally enriched by their presence it just makes Ireland look a lot less inbred.

I am indifferent to them, which is a good way to be. They are just people.

Chucken

This has been done not too long ago

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=79249144

AnonoBoy

conorhal wrote: »

I've really tired of this 'culturally enriched' meme that the left perpetrate, many of whom are the very same people that that rather ironically sneer at any and every assertion of indigenous Irish culture

That's some mighty fine generalising there buddy. You keep it up now, y'hear?

jester77

Got to replace all those leaving

Dyr

AnonoBoy wrote: »

That's some mighty fine generalising there buddy. You keep it up now, y'hear?

Would that be generalizing in the same manner that claiming that 4,000 people will enrich a society solely because they come from somewhere else?


Or would that be a different type of generalizing?

AnonoBoy

Bambi wrote: »

Would that be generalizing in the same manner that claiming that 4,000 people will enrich a society solely because they come from somewhere else?

Or would that be a different type of generalizing?

It's the same type. But I'm more inclined to believe that someone who has been here for a while, applied and gained their citizenship will have something to offer.

The blanket "what the **** do them lefties know about anything blah blah blah" type of generalising normally comes from the auld bitter-chip-on-the-shoulder end of things and is more amusing to me. So I support it fully while believing none of it.

In the same breath people who complain like that will also give out about illegals and people sponging off the dole. Then they'll go on to complain about people becoming legal citizens. Well "send them all back to where they came from" is not far behind I'd imagine.

purplepanda

Perhaps Minister Shatter should follow Israels example of enrichment?


http://articles.cnn.com/2012-06-17/middleeast/world_meast_israel-deports-immigrants_1_illegal-migrants-african-countries-south-sudan?_s=PM:MIDDLEEAST

""Today, the government will begin the operation to repatriate illegal work infiltrators to their countries of origin," Netanyahu said, according to a cabinet communique released by Israel's foreign ministry. "We will do this is an orderly and dignified manner."

Whilst hundreds of thousands of young Irish are leaving their homeland due to unemployment this policy is complete madness :mad:

AnonoBoy

Well "send them all back to where they came from" is not far behind I'd imagine.

purplepanda wrote: »

Perhaps Minister Shatter should follow Israels example of enrichment?

...... see what I mean? :pac:

purplepanda

AnonoBoy wrote: »

...... see what I mean? :pac:

So you would advocate an "open door" "new citizen" policy for would be illegal immigrants arriving in Ireland. :eek:

There's massive unemplyoyment & recession so there shouldn't be any "new citizens" until the current situation improves.

El Weirdo

purplepanda wrote: »

So you would advocate an "open door" "new citizen" policy for would be illegal immigrants arriving in Ireland. :eek:

Wow. That's quite a strawman you've got yourself there.

Attabear

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Wow! The thread lasted 8 posts before the bitterness started.

That's got to be some sort of record.

Typical After Hours exaggeration.

The bitterness began at post 5.

Pherekydes

purplepanda wrote: »

There's massive unemplyoyment & recession so there shouldn't be any "new citizens" until the current situation improves.

So, forced abortions for all until things pick up again?

Iwannahurl

conorhal wrote: »

they sure as hell don't live in the pretty alienating ... Dublin that I do.

Indeed I don't, and I'm glad of it.

al28283

Pherekydes wrote: »

So, forced abortions for all until things pick up again?

Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others

AnonoBoy

purplepanda wrote: »

So you would advocate an "open door" "new citizen" policy for would be illegal immigrants arriving in Ireland. :eek:

There's massive unemplyoyment & recession so there shouldn't be any "new citizens" until the current situation improves.

The thread is about people who have become Irish citizens. No 'illegal' about this at all.

But thanks for playing and giving me a great laugh!

brimal

AnonoBoy wrote: »

The thread is about people who have become Irish citizens. No 'illegal' about this at all.

But thanks for playing and giving me a great laugh!

Your 'see what I mean' post was referring to Israel's no-nonsense approach to illegal immigrants.

What's wrong with deporting people who are in the country illegally?

bodice ripper

I can't believe that anyone needs an itemized list of reasons that having some other cultures around is a bonus.

what crap little world do you live in?

andrew

This whole closed boarders thing is silly anyway. People should be able to live and work anywhere in the world they feel like living.

asherbassad

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

All working hard i hope

Probably harder than people who loiter on boards all day :pac:

MaxSteele

andrew wrote: »

This whole closed boarders thing is silly anyway. People should be able to live and work anywhere in the world they feel like living.

Too many different clash of cultures. Me and you couldn't head to the U.A.E for a piss up because we choose to could we ? or have a slap up steak meal.

Likewise a muslim couldn't move here, sit outside the local centra and light up a bong filled with opium either.

purplepanda

andrew wrote: »

This whole closed boarders thing is silly anyway. People should be able to live and work anywhere in the world they feel like living.

Tell that to Black South Africans who waited decades for democracy & demcratic rights only to see their living standards driven down since by five million plus illegal immigrants prepared to undercut wages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_in_South_Africa

Immigration is not a race issue as it's depicted by some.

Every country should protect it's citizens future by imposing strict immigration controls, particulally in times of high employment.

Anyone who advocates total freedom of immigrants to settle anywhere they choose worldwide is living in fantasy :pac:

Dum_Dum

andrew wrote: »

This whole closed boarders thing is silly anyway. People should be able to live and work anywhere in the world they feel like living.

Places take on a bland homogeneous globalist culture with open borders. Don't remember voting for this.

al28283

Dum_Dum wrote: »

Places take on a bland homogeneous globalist culture with open borders. Don't remember voting for this.

How'd you figure that?

The Saint

MaxSteele wrote: »

Too many different clash of cultures. Me and you couldn't head to the U.A.E for a piss up because we choose to could we ? or have a slap up steak meal.

Of course you can get pissed in the UAE. And why would you not be able to have a steak there?

MaxSteele wrote: »

Likewise a muslim couldn't move here, sit outside the local centra and light up a bong filled with opium either.

I'd also doubt you'd find too many Muslims smoking opium since drugs are prohibited in Islam.

Strange post.

wp_rathead

purplepanda wrote: »

Perhaps Minister Shatter should follow Israels example of enrichment?


http://articles.cnn.com/2012-06-17/middleeast/world_meast_israel-deports-immigrants_1_illegal-migrants-african-countries-south-sudan?_s=PM:MIDDLEEAST

""Today, the government will begin the operation to repatriate illegal work infiltrators to their countries of origin," Netanyahu said, according to a cabinet communique released by Israel's foreign ministry. "We will do this is an orderly and dignified manner."

Whilst hundreds of thousands of young Irish are leaving their homeland due to unemployment this policy is complete madness :mad:

the irony of Israel doing this

mackg

MaxSteele wrote: »

Too many different clash of cultures. Me and you couldn't head to the U.A.E for a piss up because we choose to could we ? or have a slap up steak meal.

Likewise a muslim couldn't move here, sit outside the local centra and light up a bong filled with opium either.

Wait what? Where do I sign up to be a Muslim?

MaxSteele

The Saint wrote: »

Of course you can get pissed in the UAE. And why would you not be able to have a steak there?


I'd also doubt you'd find too many Muslims smoking opium since drugs are prohibited in Islam.

Strange post.

n

Maybe in one of those westernized compounds or something but in public I'd say not a chance. Isn't meat and pork forbidden in islam ?

I was in Tunisia years ago on holidays and saw many middle aged men sitting outside local businesses or whatever smoking out of those large vase like bongs.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought opium use was rife amongst many muslim states whether it is or isn't illegal ? Could have been hash not entirely sure.

mackg

MaxSteele wrote: »

n

Maybe in one of those westernized compounds or something but in public I'd say not a chance. Isn't meat and pork forbidden in islam ?

I was in Tunisia years ago on holidays and saw many middle aged men sitting outside local businesses or whatever smoking out of those large vase like bongs.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought opium use was rife amongst many muslim states whether it is or isn't illegal ? Could have been hash not entirely sure.

Do you mean a sheesha? They are used for smoking flavoured tobacco, a friend brought me one back from Dubai when he was out there working.

The Saint

MaxSteele wrote: »

n

Maybe in one of those westernized compounds or something but in public I'd say not a chance. Isn't meat and pork forbidden in islam ?

There are hotels, bars and nightclubs in the UAE that serve alcohol. It is freely available. Pork is prohibited in Islam but beef is fine.

I was in Tunisia years ago on holidays and saw many middle aged men sitting outside local businesses or whatever smoking out of those large vase like bongs.

MaxSteele wrote: »

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought opium use was rife amongst many muslim states whether it is or isn't illegal ? Could have been hash not entirely sure.

It is flavoured tobacco. There is no high from it, although it is strong and will fcuk your lungs up. You can buy it in specialised tabacco shops in Ireland as far as I know. It's not illegal. It is widely smoked throughout the Arab world and also in Israel.

Mr Trade In

Great new members for "Operation Human Shield" if we ever go to War.

Rawhead

Pherekydes wrote: »

Any potential Usain Bolts amongst them?

That's the feckin worst thing. All we got from Africa was the Nigerians who are basically the knackers of Africa. They aren't any good at distance running/sprinting or anything really.

Pity that.

We could have done with some Kenyans.

Mod: User banned for this post.

wp_rathead

Rawhead wrote: »

That's the feckin worst thing. All we got from Africa was the Nigerians who are basically the knackers of Africa. They aren't any good at distance running/sprinting or anything really.

Pity that.

We could have done with some Kenyans.

..oh good god...

andrew

MaxSteele wrote: »

Too many different clash of cultures. Me and you couldn't head to the U.A.E for a piss up because we choose to could we ? or have a slap up steak meal.

Likewise a muslim couldn't move here, sit outside the local centra and light up a bong filled with opium either.

I'm pretty sure you can drink alcohol in UAE, and that Islam and opium aren't a thing. But even if they were, so what. Don't go to UAE if you don't want. and if there are laws against opium here, then respect them.

purplepanda wrote: »

Tell that to Black South Africans who waited decades for democracy & demcratic rights only to see their living standards driven down since by five million plus illegal immigrants prepared to undercut wages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_in_South_Africa

Immigration is not a race issue as it's depicted by some.

Every country should protect it's citizens future by imposing strict immigration controls, particulally in times of high employment.

Anyone who advocates total freedom of immigrants to settle anywhere they choose worldwide is living in fantasy :pac:

Maybe if those Zimbabweans could legally emigrate anywhere in the world, then south africa wouldn't have had such a big problem.

The fact is, if there were no boarder controls, everyone would be economically better off in the long run.

Dum_Dum wrote: »

Places take on a bland homogeneous globalist culture with open borders. Don't remember voting for this.

New York, London, Canada, to name a few places, are anything but bland and homogeneous.

partyatmygaff

MaxSteele wrote: »

I was in Tunisia years ago on holidays and saw many middle aged men sitting outside local businesses or whatever smoking out of those large vase like bongs.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought opium use was rife amongst many muslim states whether it is or isn't illegal ? Could have been hash not entirely sure.

They're sheesha pipes for smoking flavoured tobacco. Nearly every country in the Middle East has extremely harsh laws against use of other drugs like opium or hash. Some even impose the death penalty. That said... a few years of sheesha use is a surefire way to absolutely kill your lungs in any case.

Riesen_Meal

MaxSteele wrote: »

n

Maybe in one of those westernized compounds or something but in public I'd say not a chance. Isn't meat and pork forbidden in islam ?

I was in Tunisia years ago on holidays and saw many middle aged men sitting outside local businesses or whatever smoking out of those large vase like bongs.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought opium use was rife amongst many muslim states whether it is or isn't illegal ? Could have been hash not entirely sure.

As someone who has had the most unholy pissups and tastiest steaks in the UAE, I can tell you your wrong.....

Opium is big around Afghanistan and the like, not something you would see in Dubai/Abu Dhabi.....

And those things aint bongs, they are sheesh pipes for smoking flavoured tobaccos, I brought one home!

SocSocPol

MaxSteele wrote: »

n

Maybe in one of those westernized compounds or something but in public I'd say not a chance. Isn't meat and pork forbidden in islam ?

I was in Tunisia years ago on holidays and saw many middle aged men sitting outside local businesses or whatever smoking out of those large vase like bongs.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought opium use was rife amongst many muslim states whether it is or isn't illegal ? Could have been hash not entirely sure.

Meat is not forbidden in Islam, cant think where you got that idea.
Wrong indeed, very few of those bongs you see are used for opium of hash.

SocSocPol

Thread was about our new fellow citizens not a debate on east versus west, or Israeli policy on illigeal immigrants!:(

Hande hoche!

SocSocPol wrote: »

Thread was about our new fellow citizens not a debate on east versus west, or Israeli policy on illigeal immigrants!:(

So what you're saying is that this thread needs more Sabrina discussion?

MaxSteele

Well I was very misinformed !

nacimroc

Good on them! Was probably years of jumping through hoops to qualify!