4,000 new citizens, a day to celebrate.

cristoir

Skyjock wrote: »

By your own blinkered and myopic view.:rolleyes:

anyway...i will go back to my own silent protest....which involves, not shopping in outlets where the profit is exported from MY country and 10 percent of it goes to Western Union on the way out....hey there may even be the odd swear at large non national lady drivers performing yet another "kingstown Kurve"....but then again I do that to most idiots on the road.

So you'd advocate a form of economic protectionism? That's whole other debate but EP would not work well in Ireland for a host of reasons.

Racist...if you wish....and froth away to your hearts desire at the thought....but I will NEVER agree to this wholesale open door policy.

We don't have an open door policy. That would require us to let everyone in which we don't. Stop being disingenuous.

"rivers of blood" - they did occur in the uk...they did occur in paris.

Blaming the riots on the foreigners? Really. There was an awful lot of white folks ripping Britain to pieces at the time. There's a smashing article in the Economist about how immigrants benefit the UK and London in particular.

http://www.economist.com/node/21557524

Delightfully Pessimistic

andrew

Skyjock wrote: »

Bit of ASS umption there Andy.

No, it's a fact of national income accounting.

National income is:

consumption + investment + Government spending + (exports - imports) + Net factor income from abroad + Net unilateral transfers.

Net factor income from abroad is what I'm referring to here. Irish companies abroad send money home; this adds to Irish NFIA. Foreign companies in Ireland send money away from Ireland; this takes away from NFIA. The GNP statistic you will have heard of refers to GDP after it has been corrected for NFIA, and Irish GNP is always less than GDP, because of the amount of foreign firms which send their profits home.

Skyjock

Bambi wrote: »

youse scruffy PC types could do with a good shower I suppose

Sweet !:o

therewillbe

cristoir wrote: »

So you'd advocate a form of economic protectionism? That's whole other debate but EP would not work well in Ireland for a host of reasons




We don't have an open door policy. That would require us to let everyone in which we don't. Stop being disingenuous




Blaming the riots on the foreigners? Really. There was an awful lot of white folks ripping Britain to pieces at the time. There's a smashing article in the Economist about how immigrants benefit the UK and London in particular.

http://www.economist.com/node/21557524

Maybe,Have you ever stopped off in Croydon?

wp_rathead

Skyjock wrote: »

You dont need to see the wind to know that its there....you just see the effect of it !

this is my favorite sentence I have read in a while

bodice ripper

Skyjock wrote: »

anyway...i will go back to my own silent protest....which involves, not shopping in outlets where the profit is exported from MY country .

I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.

karma_

Bambi wrote: »

trim me a funny moustache and stick me in a panzer on the russian steppes so :pac:

You do know what happened the last time a lad with a funny shaped moustache tried that yeah?

cristoir

therewillbe wrote: »

Maybe,Have you ever stopped off in Croydon?

Are you going to address any of my points?

No I have not ever been in Croyden. I have been in parts of East London where I saw plenty of "Proper British" folks causing hassle.

CatEyed92

I disagree with OP.
The news was a contradiction this evening.

Main Headline - Cuts for the HSE
Target express workers lose their jobs.
Meanwhile - 4,000 NEW CITIZENS??!!!!

Something wrong there !

It's an absolute joke of a country! Whatever about this "multi cultural" point etc etc that was alright when the government could afford to cater for extra. The country is on it's hands and knee's with unemployment ! Thousands of Irish people like my mother, who worked all their lives and contributed to the country only to be at home, applying and applying to jobs only to be told she's too experienced, plus she's not entitled to the dole!!!! Meanwhile, we take in 4,000 citizens when the government can't take care of it's own????
This should of stopped when we went into recession!

IMO

Skyjock

andrew wrote: »

No, it's a fact of national income accounting.

National income is:

consumption + investment + Government spending + (exports - imports) + Net factor income from abroad + Net unilateral transfers.

Net factor income from abroad is what I'm referring to here. Irish companies abroad send money home; this adds to Irish NFIA. Foreign companies in Ireland send money away from Ireland; this takes away from NFIA. The GNP statistic you will have heard of refers to GDP after it has been corrected for NFIA, and Irish GNP is always less than GDP, because of the amount of foreign firms which send their profits home.

No Andy...there is a tad extra ASS umption again.

How the hell do you know how...what ..and where...or what lengths I go to to ensure that my earned schekels stay as much as possible in the local economy...thanks for the lesson anyway...I am sure it was of help to the newly affirmed 4000. Read the post again....I my not be able to stop it leaving Ireland...but I can make bloody sure of where it WONT go.

MaxSteele

These threads always descend into the same back and forth, to and fro "that's racist, you can't generalize an entire race, cultural enrichment, ignorant bigot" versus ...

Links to various negative immigration/racial, asylum seeker articles, reports and arguments for preserving skin colours against a worldwide homogeneous race.

Call a spade a spade and admit (like myself) you don't like being swamped by blacks, muslims etc etc. OR ... that you look down on those who don't embrace the one world, one race utopia ideal.

You're either one or the other. Just feckin' choose already and stop arguing about it. :mad:

cristoir

CatEyed92 wrote: »

I disagree with OP.
The news was a contradiction this evening.

Main Headline - Cuts for the HSE
Target express workers lose their jobs.
Meanwhile - 4,000 NEW CITIZENS??!!!!

Something wrong there !

It's an absolute joke of a country! Whatever about this "multi cultural" point etc etc that was alright when the government could afford to cater for extra. The country is on it's hands and knee's with unemployment ! Thousands of Irish people like my mother, who worked all their lives and contributed to the country only to be at home, applying and applying to jobs only to be told she's too experienced, plus she's not entitled to the dole!!!! Meanwhile, we take in 4,000 citizens when the government can't take care of it's own????
This should of stopped when we went into recession!

IMO

What point are you trying to make? That you mother can't get a job because of new citizens?

andrew

Skyjock wrote: »

No Andy...there is a tad extra ASS umption again.

How the hell do you know how...what ..and where...or what lengths I go to to ensure that my earned schekels stay as much as possible in the local economy...thanks for the lesson anyway...I am sure it was of help to the newly affirmed 4000. Read the post again....I my not be able to stop it leaving Ireland...but I can make bloody sure of where it WONT go.

If you've managed to engage in full import substitution, I'm seriously impressed. I presume you don't own the computer you're typing this on then, cos there's no way it was made by an Irish company.

therewillbe

MaxSteele wrote: »

These threads always descend into the same back and forth, to and fro "that's racist, you can't generalize an entire race, cultural enrichment, ignorant bigot" versus ...

Links to various negative immigration/racial, asylum seeker articles, reports and arguments for preserving skin colours against a worldwide homogeneous race.

Call a spade a spade and admit (like myself) you don't like being swamped by blacks, muslims etc etc. OR ... that you look down on those who don't embrace the one world, one race utopia ideal.

You're either one or the other. Just feckin' choose already and stop arguing about it. :mad:

Second that.

ted1

Spreading the debt

CatEyed92

cristoir wrote: »

What point are you trying to make? That you mother can't get a job because of new citizens?

No? Lol sorry. I was ranting >.<

By that example, I meant, the government can't look after it's own? Why new citizens?

Skyjock

karma_ wrote: »

You do know what happened the last time a lad with a funny shaped moustache tried that yeah?

Yep....those he missed got to do it to the Palestinian's.

bodice ripper

Skyjock wrote: »

No Andy...there is a tad extra ASS umption again.

every single person who read this, even if they agree with you, wretched in their mouths to see you use that ASS-umption bit once, let alone twice...

Annasopra

therewillbe wrote: »

I`ve started so I will finish.How many Nigerians to date are now Irish Citizens?

There were 19,780 Nigerians living in 2011 - no idea how many are now citizens

cristoir

CatEyed92 wrote: »

No? Lol sorry. I was ranting >.<

By that example, I meant, the government can't look after it's own? Why new citizens?

Why are you assuming the new citizens need to be looked after by the government?. Most have employment and pay there own way. Maybe it's the right-wing part of me here but the government does not need to "look after" it's citizens in fact far from it. As much as possible the government should get off people back.

mackg

CatEyed92 wrote: »

No? Lol sorry. I was ranting >.<

By that example, I meant, the government can't look after it's own? Why new citizens?

If the new citizens have jobs then the government isn't looking after them they are paying tax to the government.

If you think it is wrong that Irish people are unemployed while they have jobs should it be the case that someone who has been here working for several years be fired and deported because there is an employment crisis?

Does anyone know what the criteria were for those that gained citizenship?

therewillbe

mango salsa wrote: »

There were 19,780 Nigerians living in 2011 - no idea how many are now citizens

WOW! Whats the capacity of the largest plane out of Dublin and how mant will be needed?Thanks

SocSocPol

andrew wrote: »

If you've managed to engage in full import substitution, I'm seriously impressed. I presume you don't own the computer you're typing this on then, cos there's no way it was made by an Irish company.

Yup and he doesnt use electricity generated by imported gas, he doesnt use a car burning arab islamic petrol, doesnt eat "fresh" veg in winter etc etc.
But then again "where ignorance is bliss tis a folly to be wise".

Annasopra

CatEyed92 wrote: »

No? Lol sorry. I was ranting >.<

By that example, I meant, the government can't look after it's own? Why new citizens?

These people are our own now.

therewillbe

mango salsa wrote: »

These people are our own now.

Never!

cristoir

SocSocPol wrote: »

Yup and he doesnt use electricity generated by imported gas, he doesnt use a car burning arab islamic petrol, doesnt eat "fresh" veg in winter etc etc.
But then again "where ignorance is bliss tis a folly to be wise".

Ah sure let's kick out the foreigners and FDI, introduce tariffs and go back to the land!

Skyjock

SocSocPol wrote: »

Yup and he doesnt use electricity generated by imported gas, he doesnt use a car burning arab islamic petrol, doesnt eat "fresh" veg in winter etc etc.
But then again "where ignorance is bliss tis a folly to be wise".

Carry on my friend...carry on.

Skyjock

bodice ripper wrote: »

every single person who read this, even if they agree with you, wretched in their mouths to see you use that ASS-umption bit once, let alone twice...

Want to give me a reason for a hat trick?;)

AnonoBoy

therewillbe wrote: »

Never!

Oh I'm sorry but it's already happened.

They're Irish now.

Irish. Irish. Irish.

Diddly-eye diddly-dee etc.

:pac:

therewillbe

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Oh I'm sorry but it's already happened.

They're Irish now.

Irish. Irish. Irish.

Diddly-eye diddly-dee etc.

:pac:

AAAGGHHH:eek: Help!

karma_

therewillbe wrote: »

Never!

Their passports beg to differ, they have swore an oath to Ireland. This is good enough for me and should be for anyone.

KeithM89_old

Skyjock wrote: »

And I will fast forward you to 87 !.

(another bleeding heart)

Skyjock wrote: »

Glad to be of service

Skyjock wrote: »

maybe....but dont let that get in the way of the truth

Skyjock wrote: »

You dont need to see the wind to know that its there....you just see the effect of it !

Skyjock wrote: »

you are as mixed up as your handle states

Skyjock wrote: »

Bit of ASS umption there Andy.

Skyjock wrote: »

No Andy...there is a tad extra ASS umption again.

How the hell do you know how...what ..and where...or what lengths I go to to ensure that my earned schekels stay as much as possible in the local economy...thanks for the lesson anyway...I am sure it was of help to the newly affirmed 4000. Read the post again....I my not be able to stop it leaving Ireland...but I can make bloody sure of where it WONT go.

Banned

GOODME

What I heard is if they are on the dole they don't get it unless they have contributed to the country. they must submit P60s, if self employed necessary docs too etc. lived here for not less than 5 years legally.

also heard no criminal offence, even some with driving offences have been refused.

They pay €950 per person to get citizenship after approval, that is after paying nearly €200 which is not refundable when submitting application.

give reasons for why are they taking government money if they are. many work few hours doing cleaning jobs as there are no suitable jobs for their qualifications available to some of them, so they do contribute. others are also in government jobs where cuts are happening but they her permanent.

Many are studying esp going for 2nd degrees, I mean Master + PHD.

That is all I know, i guess many know more.

The government know what they r doing. inis website has more info

srsly78

I just don't recognise Tallaght at all these days...

therewillbe

karma_ wrote: »

Their passports beg to differ, they have swore an oath to Ireland. This is good enough for me and should be for anyone.

Bull! It takes more than a few words and Flag Kissing to become Irish. They have nothing in common with me,I dont like any aspect of their lives etc(very small minded) Who cares,I dont like the situation with all this mult iculture BS,Irish and Proud,No qualms about it .

srsly78

therewillbe wrote: »

They have nothing in common with me,I dont like any aspect of their lives etc(very small minded)

It's true, they probably aren't on the dole.

mackg

therewillbe wrote: »

Bull! It takes more than a few words and Flag Kissing to become Irish. They have nothing in common with me,I dont like any aspect of their lives etc(very small minded) Who cares,I dont like the situation with all this mult iculture BS,Irish and Proud,No qualms about it .

What does it take?

cristoir

therewillbe wrote: »

Bull! It takes more than a few words and Flag Kissing to become Irish. They have nothing in common with me,I dont like any aspect of their lives etc(very small minded) Who cares,I dont like the situation with all this mult iculture BS,Irish and Proud,No qualms about it .

Not really. In fact for most of us it just involves having the fortune of being born here. These 4,000 had to actually earn it.

Pherekydes

CatEyed92 wrote: »

I disagree with OP.
The news was a contradiction this evening.

Main Headline - Cuts for the HSE
Target express workers lose their jobs.
Meanwhile - 4,000 NEW CITIZENS??!!!!

Something wrong there !

It's an absolute joke of a country! Whatever about this "multi cultural" point etc etc that was alright when the government could afford to cater for extra. The country is on it's hands and knee's with unemployment ! Thousands of Irish people like my mother, who worked all their lives and contributed to the country only to be at home, applying and applying to jobs only to be told she's too experienced, plus she's not entitled to the dole!!!! Meanwhile, we take in 4,000 citizens when the government can't take care of it's own????
This should of stopped when we went into recession!

IMO

It may have occurred to you already (maybe not!) that these 'new' citizens are already living here, many for years and years, and are perfectly entitled to take out citizenship.

We didn't import 4000 "new citizens" yesterday.

karma_

therewillbe wrote: »

Bull! It takes more than a few words and Flag Kissing to become Irish. They have nothing in common with me,I dont like any aspect of their lives etc(very small minded) Who cares,I dont like the situation with all this mult iculture BS,Irish and Proud,No qualms about it .

If you're so proud of being Irish, why are you discriminating against your fellow Irish citizens?

CuriousG

conorhal wrote: »

I've really tired of this 'culturally enriched' meme that the left perpetrate, many of whom are the very same people that that rather ironically sneer at any and every assertion of indigenous Irish culture.

I've also yet to experience this 'cultural enrichment', or have anybody explain exactly how my life has been 'enhanced’ by it.
Perhaps I have failed to fully appreciate the cultural value of my Eastern European neighbors all night vodka parties and casual knife crime (neighbor stabbed to death a few years ago at a party). Nor does my trip into work feel 'enhanced' by the burka brigade on the bus with their kids and male 'chaperone', in fact I find it somewhat disquieting to have to sit in proximity to somebody wearing a mask and seated next to her bouncer. Nor does half of Nigeria swaggering around the Square where I shop dressed as identikit gangstas in their trackies and chains seem very 'culturally enhancing' either, and I've yet to figure out how the default cultural expression of most Africans in the area appears to be the culture of South Central Los Angeles to which (as far as I can gather anyway) they have no connection.

I get the distinct feeling that those who bang on about 'cultural vibrancy' tend to be the kind of people that turn up at the annual DunLaoghaire 'Festival of Cultures' to eat a samosa, watch some Thai's dance and buy a colorful hat before fecking off back home to Dublin 4, because they sure as hell don't live in the pretty alienating world of vibrant multicultural Dublin that I do.

If I could pay you millions for this post, I would.

CatEyed92

Pherekydes wrote: »

It may have occurred to you already (maybe not!) that these 'new' citizens are already living here, many for years and years, and are perfectly entitled to take out citizenship.

We didn't import 4000 "new citizens" yesterday.

....... True

jimmi10

I think the government should be looking after it's current citizens many whom are unemployed (myself included) before granting foreigners citizenship.

Once unemployment has being greatly reduced among Irish people, then the matter of granting citizenship to non-Irish nationals can be addressed.

Granting citizenships to foreigners is a luxury this country cannot afford at present.

CuriousG

cristoir wrote: »

Not really. In fact for most of us it just involves having the fortune of being born here. These 4,000 had to actually earn it.

I don't see how coming here, staying for years (either taking a job an Irish person could have had, or living off tax payers money) and not integrating counts as earning citizenship.

GOODME

srsly78 wrote: »

I just don't recognise Tallaght at all these days...

what do you mean by this photo that was not taken in Tallaght???????

Pherekydes

therewillbe wrote: »

Bull! It takes more than a few words and Flag Kissing to become Irish. They have nothing in common with me,I dont like any aspect of their lives etc(very small minded) Who cares,I dont like the situation with all this mult iculture BS,Irish and Proud,No qualms about it .

Looking at your posts and teasing out your opinions, I can safely say I have nothing in common with you. I don't like any aspect of your life. Ergo, you are not Irish.

Mr. teddywinkles

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

No that depends on the quantity and quality of the immigrants
and the immigration control regime.

for example
500,000 Nomadic illiterate peasants with an average IQ of 75 would not benefit the economy

andrew wrote: »

Yes it would, abundant cheap labour!

Or sit on the scratcher. :rolleyes:

therewillbe

karma_ wrote: »

If you're so proud of being Irish, why are you discriminating against your fellow Irish citizens?

Not in My eyes.A little piece of paper dont make you anything.

Spook_ie

GOODME wrote: »

What I heard is if they are on the dole they don't get it unless they have contributed to the country. they must submit P60s, if self employed necessary docs too etc. lived here for not less than 5 years legally.

also heard no criminal offence, even some with driving offences have been refused.

They pay €950 per person to get citizenship after approval, that is after paying nearly €200 which is not refundable when submitting application.

give reasons for why are they taking government money if they are. many work few hours doing cleaning jobs as there are no suitable jobs for their qualifications available to some of them, so they do contribute. others are also in government jobs where cuts are happening but they her permanent.

Many are studying esp going for 2nd degrees, I mean Master + PHD.

That is all I know, i guess many know more.

The government know what they r doing. inis website has more info

You were doing so well until then.....