Traveller woman beaten to death in Louth.**Mod warning in post 1**

MagicSean

from reading the Herald it sounds like the suspect travelled with them to Dundalk. If that's the case it's more likely to have been a domestic argument.

MagicSean

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

Are you serious?

i think he means outside of a domestic setting.

tayto lover

MagicSean wrote: »

from reading the Herald it sounds like the suspect travelled with them to Dundalk. If that's the case it's more likely to have been a domestic argument.

It was a domestic alright i'm told locally.

MagicSean

tayto lover wrote: »

It was a domestic alright i'm told locally.

It doesn't necessarily exclude it from being related to the feud as that was between close family members. It drove quite a wedge through them. If it wasn't in anyway related to the feud then it may actually play a part in ending it, or at least calming it down.

It's still very unusual for this kind of attack on a woman within the traveller community. I can think of only one or two plausable scenarios that would cause it.

tayto lover

MagicSean wrote: »

It doesn't necessarily exclude it from being related to the feud as that was between close family members. It drove quite a wedge through them. If it wasn't in anyway related to the feud then it may actually play a part in ending it, or at least calming it down.

It's still very unusual for this kind of attack on a woman within the traveller community. I can think of only one or two plausable scenarios that would cause it.

Not related to any fued. A domestic. All will be revealed in time.

later12

tayto lover wrote: »

Not related to any fued. A domestic. All will be revealed in time.

Hello!
Are you by any chance Mystic Meg?

tayto lover

later12 wrote: »

Hello!
Are you by any chance Mystic Meg?

No but it's common knowledge locally. I live close to that estate.

stuar

It was her husband arrested, local knowledge. 100%

SocSocPol

stuar wrote: »

It was her husband arrested, local knowledge. 100%

If it's true then it's sad,sad for the three kids who have just lost their mam, because of the violence of their dad.My thoughts would be with them.If it is true.

The_Minister

Anyone else noticing how few thanks the sympathy posts are getting in comparison to normal threads?

Grayson

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

Are you serious?

Normally not.

But yeah, I know domestic violence exists but I've never heard of a traveller committing an act of violence against a female traveller.

tayto lover

Grayson wrote: »

Normally not.

But yeah, I know domestic violence exists but I've never heard of a traveller committing an act of violence against a female traveller.

It happens quite often. They actually believe they have a right to beat their own wives. It's part of their tradition it seems.

Grayson

Grayson wrote: »

Normally not.

But yeah, I know domestic violence exists but I've never heard of a traveller committing an act of violence against a female traveller.

With all the mayhem that goes on within said community, do you honestly believe that the lads all return home after and act like 'father of the year'???

Fenian Army

Also heard its a domestic.

Is the husband the lad who bit the guy he was fighting in the documentary?

My name is URL

tayto lover wrote: »

It happens quite often. They actually believe they have a right to beat their own wives. It's part of their tradition it seems.

It happens quite a lot more in the non-traveller community, but we don't assume that it's our own tradition.

SocSocPol

tayto lover wrote: »

It happens quite often. They actually believe they have a right to beat their own wives. It's part of their tradition it seems.

In fairness, domestic violence is a general societal problem.plenty of women, and some men, are granted either protection or barring orders in the courts every month. Their are prescious few adults in this country who do not know someone who either is or has been a victim of domestic violence. their are precious few travellers in our disgracfully underfunded and overcrowded womens refuges.

tayto lover

Fenian Army wrote: »

Also heard its a domestic.

Is the husband the lad who bit the guy he was fighting in the documentary?

I believe so. That's what their saying.

tayto lover

SocSocPol wrote: »

In fairness, domestic violence is a general societal problem.plenty of women, and some men, are granted either protection or barring orders in the courts every month. Their are prescious few adults in this country who do not know someone who either is or has been a victim of domestic violence. their are precious few travellers in our disgracfully underfunded and overcrowded womens refuges.

Totally agree. But it is seemingly allowed in their tradition. They don't leave and they don't make complaints to the Garda.

JP Liz V1

RIP to the poor woman, whomever did it I hope they lock him away for a long time but knowing the Irish justice system probably wont be long

I think one of the children found her if that is true god love them

My name is URL

tayto lover wrote: »

Totally agree. But it is seemingly allowed in their tradition. They don't leave and they don't make complaints to the Garda.

Ah here. Do you know anything about domestic abuse? The majority of victims don't leave or make complaints to the Gardai. A thousand spouses and partners will be beaten by their OH's tonight in Ireland and you'd be lucky if 1% of them faced the consequences of the law for it.

louthguy25

According to the local newspaper feed in Dundalk Mr McDonagh has handed himself into the gaurds. Very sad case

le la rat

Super-Rush wrote: »

Source.


Mod warning: Any form of traveller bashing
bad choice of words given the circumstances imo

smash

louthguy25 wrote: »

According to the local newspaper feed in Dundalk Mr McDonagh has handed himself into the gaurds. Very sad case

got a link?

louthguy25

http://www.facebook.com/dundalk.examiner Thats all i have so far

dharma200

Those poor children.

Doesnt matter which community the poor woman comes from. She has been beaten to death by her partner. Has happened to many many non traveller women.

dharma200

Those poor children.

Doesnt matter which community the poor woman comes from. She has been beaten to death by her partner. Has happened to many many non traveller women.

The_Kew_Tour

this is sad story all round.

smash

louthguy25 wrote: »

http://www.facebook.com/dundalk.examiner Thats all i have so far

So they posted that 2 hours ago, but RTE etc don't have that info... yea, seems legit!

Dangerous Man

The_Minister wrote: »

Anyone else noticing how few thanks the sympathy posts are getting in comparison to normal threads?

I suppose it's because people generally don't like travellers. What's your take?

louthguy25

smash wrote: »

So they posted that 2 hours ago, but RTE etc don't have that info... yea, seems legit!

RTE are terribly slow to update things, this is a local paper im not saying 100% they are right but why would a local paper risk accusing someone in the wrong

tayto lover

My name is URL wrote: »

Ah here. Do you know anything about domestic abuse? The majority of victims don't leave or make complaints to the Gardai. A thousand spouses and partners will be beaten by their OH's tonight in Ireland and you'd be lucky if 1% of them faced the consequences of the law for it.

I know quite a lot about it actually.
While many settled people do make complaints there are very few if any travellers who do likewise.

smash

louthguy25 wrote: »

RTE are terribly slow to update things, this is a local paper im not saying 100% they are right but why would a local paper risk accusing someone in the wrong

There's no other news site or radio that has stated that he handed himself in.

dxhound2005

louthguy25 wrote: »

RTE are terribly slow to update things, this is a local paper im not saying 100% they are right but why would a local paper risk accusing someone in the wrong

It is not a newspaper.

meoklmrk91

This is a terribly sad case regardless of who done it, a young mother beaten to death in her own home, 3 kids left with out their mammy. RIP.

louthguy25

dxhound2005 wrote: »

It is not a newspaper.

The examiner is not a newpaper ?? What would you call it then?

tayto lover

louthguy25 wrote: »

The examiner is not a newpaper ?? What would you call it then?

I have never even heard of it and I live there.

smash

tayto lover wrote: »

I have never even heard of it and I live there.

Their website doesn't seem to work either.

Annasopra

tayto lover wrote: »

I know quite a lot about it actually.
While many settled people do make complaints there are very few if any travellers who do likewise.

That doesn't make it a traveller tradition and saying it's a tradition is a disgusting thing to say

dxhound2005

louthguy25 wrote: »

The examiner is not a newpaper ?? What would you call it then?

I dont know. Other people have been asking the same question.

The "Dundalk Examiner" may not exist as an established newspaper, instead it may be a a hoax, a sting or disinformation. A person in Dundalk, Ireland has searched newspaper outlets throughout the town for a copy of the "paper" and has not been able to find one. Confirmation of the existence of the paper is invited; send to

Gloomtastic!

SocSocPol wrote: »

their are precious few travellers in our disgracfully underfunded and overcrowded womens refuges.

I volunteer at a local women's refuge a couple of times a year and there are always traveller women there.

In the travelling community the beaten women are shunned by their friends/family. Something to do with their culture. The only place they can go is the refuges.

Monty Burnz

My name is URL wrote: »

It happens quite a lot more in the non-traveller community, but we don't assume that it's our own tradition.

I'd love to see the stats to back up that claim.

Karen23

Status from the RIP Jacqueline Quinn Mc Donagh Facebook page :

R.i.p Jacqueline Quinn McDonagh
jacquelines family has asked me to remove the name quinn frm the mcdonagh i am sorry as i can not do this and it is not for the want of trying just to many people have liked thiis page for me to do this now the computer will not let me im sorry.... rip jack ♥ ♥ ♥ sweetdream's jack ♥ ♥ ♥

tayto lover

mango salsa wrote: »

That doesn't make it a traveller tradition and saying it's a tradition is a disgusting thing to say

I worked with a traveller organisation in my time and on several occasions when a woman would come in with marks, bruises etc and confided in us they would never take our advice to report the matter as they said it was their tradition that their husbands could hit them. They would never report it to the Garda. I actually asked a Garda discreetly to keep an eye on a certain home on one of these occasions and he told me that they would not make a complaint and that he never received a complaint from a traveller woman on this issue.

What part of my post was disgusting ?

tayto lover

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

I volunteer at a local women's refuge a couple of times a year and there are always traveller women there.

In the travelling community the beaten women are shunned by their friends/family. Something to do with their culture. The only place they can go is the refuges.

Did you ever hear of one of them taking their husband to court either, i didn't?

Monty Burnz

tayto lover wrote: »

What part of my post was disgusting ?

Speaking unpleasant truths is disgusting.

Annasopra

tayto lover wrote: »

I worked with a traveller organisation in my time and on several occasions when a woman would come in with marks, bruises etc and confided in us they would never take our advice to report the matter as they said it was their tradition that their husbands could hit them. They would never report it to the Garda. I actually asked a Garda discreetly to keep an eye on a certain home on one of these occasions and he told me that they would not make a complaint and that he never received a complaint from a traveller woman on this issue.

What part of my post was disgusting ?

Saying that it is a tradition for traveller men to beat their wives is frankly disgusting. Some might do it but frankly I do not believe that all traveller men are encouraged to beat their wives and I have worked with some traveller women as well.

mikemac1

mango salsa wrote: »

That doesn't make it a traveller tradition and saying it's a tradition is a disgusting thing to say

I don't see lads dragging girls outside down my local nightclub

They can do it though, it's their culture.....

Security standing there doing nothing but look on

The narraters there explains about dominance and why its done. A man must dominate or he won't be considered a man

Grabbing when they are young, no wonder there does be violence often times after they get married

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gIT1L7MhNY

tayto lover

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Speaking unpleasant truths is disgusting.

It's an awful life for some of them. Closing the Traveller Workshops was a very bad move by the Govt too. These centres gave the older traveller women the only few hours of social life they ever got. Just to save a few bob too.

Karen23

Karen23 wrote: »

Status from the RIP Jacqueline Quinn Mc Donagh Facebook page :

R.i.p Jacqueline Quinn McDonagh
jacquelines family has asked me to remove the name quinn frm the mcdonagh i am sorry as i can not do this and it is not for the want of trying just to many people have liked thiis page for me to do this now the computer will not let me im sorry.... rip jack ♥ ♥ ♥ sweetdream's jack ♥ ♥ ♥

Does this mean war(feud) for the Quinns and the McDonaghs?

woodoo

Fenian Army wrote: »

Also heard its a domestic.

Is the husband the lad who bit the guy he was fighting in the documentary?

Yeah he seemed a bit of a psycho.