DCN's Clare Daly resigns from Soc. Party

martinn123

Looks like Clare Daly and Mick Wallace, are very close.

She has resigned from the Socialist Party, should she resign her seat??

http://www.breakingnews.ie/archives/2012/0901/ireland/clare-daly-resigns-from-socialist-party-565284.html

http://www.socialistparty.net/component/content/article/3-newsflash/1030-clare-daly-resigns-from-the-socialist-party

SeaSide

This is going to make Dublin North an interesting constituency in the next election.

Going from a four to five seater and with Claire Daly's heartland back in the electoral boundary.

Worthy of a new thread?

RobFowl

"In a stinging rebuke, the party statement also says: "Clare has also not worked in a genuinely collective way with her colleagues in the Socialist Party. Instead, she has avoided democratic discussion as well as the democratic check and accountability of the party’s elected structures and members.""

In other words she didn't do what Joe told her too...

I think she's better off tbh. Didn't give her a high preference but respect the efforts she has made and her ability to stand up for what she believes in.

martinn123

Wonder if this means, she no longer will have to donate her salary to the Soc party, and survive on the average industrial wage.

and can she now claim the Independant allowance, ( how much is that again,)


or am i just a cynic??

anyway, i also gave her a preference, not 1st or 2nd, but she deserved a chance.

alexanderomahon

Anybody heard from Terry Kelleher on the issue (Socialist Party councillor Balbriggan)

LeoB

So she didnt toe the line with Joe. I didnt vote for her but admire any politican who goes against the grain so to speak. Wallace broke the law and as was pointed out at the time what he done was common practice, does not make it right though.

I would the people who did vote for might not want her to resign as she probably got elected on local issues where she has I believe done good work. So she should keep her seat.

If she now has to operate an office without the back up of a party she will need as much allowances as possible so cant her not taking it.

Cardinal Richelieu

martinn123 wrote: »

Looks like Clare Daly and Mick Wallace, are very close.

She has resigned from the Socialist Party, should she resign her seat??

http://www.breakingnews.ie/archives/2012/0901/ireland/clare-daly-resigns-from-socialist-party-565284.html

http://www.socialistparty.net/component/content/article/3-newsflash/1030-clare-daly-resigns-from-the-socialist-party

Why? Is having lunch with someone a resigning offence?

As said by others she should get in at the next GE, high media profile, 5 seater in the next election and the new boundary changes around her stronghold of Swords should ensure she gets in.

martinn123

Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »

Why? Is having lunch with someone a resigning offence?

As said by others she should get in at the next GE, high media profile, 5 seater in the next election and the new boundary changes around her stronghold of Swords should ensure she gets in.

Well in fairness, I don't think having lunch with Mick was the issue over which she resigned.

With regard to her seat, my opinion is that if you canvass, work on behalf of a particular party, and are successful in an election, should your alegiance change, you should give the electorate the oportunity to endorse or otherwise your choice.

On the financial front, I mentioned the Average Industrial Wage issue, I see Wallace is now claiming the Leaders Allowance, ( it's 40K by the way ) and no doubt Clare will claim this also.
OK She has to fund an office, but they all manage to do that before they get elected, once in its noses to the trough, and let's claim, whatever we ''Are Entitled to''

While at the same time advocating not paying Tax, seems a bit odd to me.

Personally I don't think she will get in next time, The Socialist will do all to get back their seat, and she will be on her own.

Maybe if Mick pays back what he owes, to the Taxman.

LeoB

martinn123 wrote: »

Well in fairness, I don't think having lunch with Mick was the issue over which she resigned..

I dont think she should resign but you make fair points.

martinn123 wrote: »

With regard to her seat, my opinion is that if you canvass, work on behalf of a particular party, and are successful in an election, should your alegiance change, you should give the electorate the oportunity to endorse or otherwise your choice.

On the financial front, I mentioned the Average Industrial Wage issue, I see Wallace is now claiming the Leaders Allowance, ( it's 40K by the way ) and no doubt Clare will claim this also.
OK She has to fund an office, but they all manage to do that before they get elected, once in its noses to the trough, and let's claim, whatever we ''Are Entitled to''

While at the same time advocating not paying Tax, seems a bit odd to me.

Personally I don't think she will get in next time, The Socialist will do all to get back their seat, and she will be on her own.

Maybe if Mick pays back what he owes, to the Taxman.

In a nutshell what Wallace done was wrong. However he was quite clean about it, I suppose he had to be. The media have been fairly fair to him as quite a few have stated what he done was illegal but quite common practice for people in business.

I heard quite a few of his business' are operating well and while not making stacks of money he could be well in a position to meet his debts. Would this change things? I think people want it to because people like him will get the economy moving again. Should the banks not cut him a deal to help because of the potential he has? Would it not be better for revenue to sit with people like Mick Wallace and see where they can take this situation. My bet is Clare Daly has listened to him and bought in. I was suprised at the level of support he had on a phone in show with a lot of contractors supporting him, even ones he owed money to. They felt they would get their money.
While I didnt vote for Clare Daly I dont think she would make excessive claims like other have. She supported Mick Wallace and this obviously upset Joe Higgins.
Someone here described me as politicaly naieve as a teenager a while back, maybe they were right.

Cardinal Richelieu

martinn123 wrote: »

Personally I don't think she will get in next time, The Socialist will do all to get back their seat, and she will be on her own.

Well Dublin North in the last election had a distinct lack of good quality candidates in my opinion especially women so unless that changes at the next election I expect she will get enough votes to stay on. The other 3 sitting TDS haven't exactly outshone her either.

LeoB

Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »

Well Dublin North in the last election had a distinct lack of good quality candidates in my opinion especially women so unless that changes at the next election I expect she will get enough votes to stay on. The other 3 sitting TDS haven't exactly outshone her either.

I dont buy this gender balance thing in Goverment at all. Best person for the job whether male or female.

If she was a member of mainsstream party, F.G, F.F or Lab there would be uproar over this and because. It would appear to gly in the face of what she was elected on but lets wait and see what she does next. I am sure people will remind her in run up to next election. Have any of our T.Ds done well when we look at it.

Off to work now.

martinn123

LeoB wrote: »

I dont think she should resign but you make fair points.



In a nutshell what Wallace done was wrong. However he was quite clean about it, I suppose he had to be. The media have been fairly fair to him as quite a few have stated what he done was illegal but quite common practice for people in business.

Someone here described me as politicaly naieve as a teenager a while back, maybe they were right.

Yep they were right,:D
He understated his VAT reciepts on Apartment Sales, kept the money, got found out, Tax Audit, and agreed to pay back a couple of million by instalments.
Then he increased his salary, the business went bust, and its with NAMA, and the instalments to Revenue get written off, I can say that is not common practise for people in business.

LeoB wrote:

Have any of our T.Ds done well when we look at it.

Lets see,

Dr James, Champion Kite Flyer, saw him on RTE last night, you know he is not telling the truth, when his lips move.

Alan Farrell, well he is from Malahide, ( I Think ), dont thing he has been north of the M1,R132 Junction, since the election.

Brendan Ryan, nice chap, I follow him on Twitter, good for the local cricket news, he calls into the Top Shop, occasionally, on his way home, greets everyone, then has a quiet pint, and reads the paper.
Everyone leaves him in peace, we all know the cricket scores anyway.

Clare Daly, lets see what happens.

Meanwhile we have Darragh O'Brien skulking in the Senate.
He sends out reminders of Election promises, from Dr James, you would think his party never made a mistake before, or got us into this mess in the first place.

Don't you yearn for the Days of Rambo, Nora Owen, even GV was good for a laugh, with his driving and all that.
Politics in DCN is a quieter place now, and more boring,

still we have the Sewage Plant, in Lusk to look forward to, that will go out to Tender, some crowd from Lithuania will get the contract,

bet someone will propose Metro North again,:rolleyes:

LeoB

martinn123 wrote: »

Yep they were right,:D

Everyone else having a pop this week so fire ahead;)

martinn123 wrote: »

He understated his VAT reciepts on Apartment Sales, kept the money, got found out, Tax Audit, and agreed to pay back a couple of million by instalments.
Then he increased his salary, the business went bust, and its with NAMA, and the instalments to Revenue get written off, I can say that is not common practise for people in business.

I meant its quite common from what I heard on Radio for people in business to hold back Tax payments and when apartments sell they make more payments??? I found him quite upfront when Pat Kenny grilled him. Wallace stated at the time he was getting little or know cooperation from banks His other investments were performing well and he needed time space which the banks seem reluctant to give to some people they were happy to advise of prominent sites for sale only 5 years ago.

martinn123 wrote: »

Lets see,

Dr James, Champion Kite Flyer, saw him on RTE last night, you know he is not telling the truth, when his lips move.

Alan Farrell, well he is from Malahide, ( I Think ), dont thing he has been north of the M1,R132 Junction, since the election.

Absouloutley no faith in Reilly talk about his Ministery, his profession and the people he previously negotiated for and I think you have "vested interests.

In fairnes to Alan Farrell and people will know I am not a big fan but I met him Rush and had an excellent meeting with at his clinic. Mind you that was before the roadwork you mention started.

martinn123 wrote: »

Brendan Ryan, nice chap, I follow him on Twitter, good for the local cricket news, he calls into the Top Shop, occasionally, on his way home, greets everyone, then has a quiet pint, and reads the paper.
Everyone leaves him in peace, we all know the cricket scores anyway.

Have to say I find him a nice man.. But I do wonder if he is cut out for this. He needs to be more aggressive, outspoken. I dont he would be very pleased with Brutus Reilly and he should have attacked him over the "proposed" cuts in the Carers last weekend before Reilly had the chance to do a U-Turn.

Maybe if you gave him a drop of Poteen next time he is the Top shop he might run amuck in the Dail

martinn123 wrote: »

Clare Daly, lets see what happens.

She will sit this out

martinn123 wrote: »

Meanwhile we have Darragh O'Brien skulking in the Senate.
He sends out reminders of Election promises, from Dr James, you would think his party never made a mistake before, or got us into this mess in the first place.

I have always found Darragh fairly sound, honest and while he could talk there was not the bull **** we got from others in his party. Has raised his profile with some decent appearances on Vincent Brown and Pat Kenny shows.

martinn123 wrote: »

Don't you yearn for the Days of Rambo, Nora Owen, even GV was good for a laugh, with his driving and all that.
Politics in DCN is a quieter place now, and more boring,

A bit of proper sniping and a few decent rows.

martinn123 wrote: »

still we have the Sewage Plant, in Lusk to look forward to, that will go out to Tender, some crowd from Lithuania will get the contract,

bet someone will propose Metro North again,:rolleyes:

Sad thing is your probably right. "Ah it had to go to tender" How do the French keep so many projects for their own companies. This gets me big time when you see so many IRISH families on their knees at the moment.
A number of quarries have let drivers go which is understandable at moment but after a while they appear to have replaced with Foregin drivers on short term contracts as have other large retail companies. This sickens me. That is probably for a different time. In the meantime we will remain the laughing stock of Europe

Maybe now Clare is in the Wallace camp she might tackle these issues without fear. Think this is close to her platform.