Parking, parent child and disabled parking spaces misuse

Bandara

I'd never park in a disabled space in a million years.

However I have no recognition of a parent and child space. A complete nonsense.

looksee

RoverJames wrote: »

Disabled spaces are chronically abused, lots of folks with the blue permit equipped car but without the disability or the passenger parking in them, that's as bad as someone in a car without a permit doing so imo.

My husband has recently been given a permit - and its not that easy to get them. He does not use a wheelchair, but his walking capability is about 10 - 15 meters max. I recently dropped him off at the hospital and because I had to pass the entrance to get to the parking space, and there were no ambulances there on that occasion, I let him off, then drove to the wheelchair space and parked. As I got out of the car to follow him in I was very aware that it looked as though a perfectly fit person - me - was parking in a disabled space.

Anan1

Hammertime wrote: »

I'd never park in a disabled space in a million years.

However I have no recognition of a parent and child space. A complete nonsense.

What do you mean by 'I have no recognition of'?

Matt Simis

gammygils wrote: »

I think it's the absolute height of ignorance to park in a disabled space.
I would never do it.
Parent & child spaces? I don't see the point. We all managed without them
when our kids were small. Why now? It's BS

My mother said the same thing. She is absolutely dead set against Parent/Mother and Child spaces, she said "having kids doesnt make you disabled".

And for christ sake, about 50% of driving adults have kids, why stop with a few spaces, lets extend it to making half the carpark some sort of members only club.


The only reason I wouldnt park in them is I would be surrounded by people smashing the $hit out of the cars beside them with buggies and possibly some high and mighty finger waggers.

John_Rambo

Matt Simis wrote: »

My mother said the same thing

I know.

goz83

djimi wrote: »

I recently saw someone parked horizontally across three disabled spaces in a supermarket car park. Some people are just pure scum

I came across this outside nationwide tiles in Airside, Swords a few days ago. An old civic occupying 3 spaces. Two cars were parked either side of it and it would have been a job getting it out of that space. It was a piece of dirt, so the owner wasn't trying to protect the paint work. I gleefully smiled as I drove the zafira into the centre space and proceeded to have a look around the tile shop for about 20 minutes. When I came out, there was a young lad standing outside the car (I parked right up to his door) and his gf was sitting in the car.

"is that your car?" he asks. "yes, and I could only park half way into the space thanks to your car." He was annoyed, but he actually smiled when I said that. He knew he was out of order and obviously wasn't waiting too long. Hopefully he learned his lesson though.

goz83

looksee wrote: »

As I got out of the car to follow him in I was very aware that it looked as though a perfectly fit person - me - was parking in a disabled space.

I hate to point this out, but a perfectly fit person (you) did park in the disabled spot and jump out. If both you and your husband were going to return to the the car, well that's ok. I would say that if an able bodied person is able to drop the disabled person and collect the disabled person at the door; then there is no need to occupy a disabled space.....but it's far less a crime than those who really do abuse them. And why are disabled spots being mentioned at all? The topic was parent and child spots.

paddy147

You see this happen alot in shopping centres,especially when its raining.

People dont want to get wet,so they park in the wheelchair spaces close to the main door of the shopping centre.



Tesco Artane Castle is the worst for this carry on.

They should have a Tesco staff member or security guard outside with a few clamps at the ready,so this will hammer home the point to these ignorant and selfish drivers.

urajoke

Only use parent a child space when baby is onboard, I couldn't care less if it was by the door or far away, it's the space by my car door I need to get the child in and out of the car without hitting someone else's car and hurting me or the child.

I dislike drivers misusing these and handicapped spaces.

vectra

RoverJames wrote: »

Disabled spaces are chronically abused, lots of folks with the blue permit equipped car but without the disability or the passenger parking in them, that's as bad as someone in a car without a permit doing so imo.

I have one of those cards { Unfortunately} I would prefer not to need one, but O rarely park in a disabled spot as I always feel there might be someone worse off than I am. Now on saying that, when I am going through one of my bad times I am damn glad of it and it is times like this I fume when I see someone parked up in the spots that shouldnt be there.

Merch

Felexicon wrote: »

Well I think it's selfish for parents to teach there kids that they should get preferential treatment because of thier family status

Felexicon wrote: »

What an idiotic argument. Since when does there have to be that trade off. If parents can't get the kids in/out of the car without banging of other cars then they'll have to leave the shopping until someone is available to mind the kids at home

Im not trying to be a self righteous parent, but it was never something that featured on my radar until it needed to be as I just never considered parking in a P&C space, it was no hassle for me to park 50 or 100 metres away, in fact I preferred it. Prior to now, I never bothered driving up and down looking for a space close to the doors, I'd be in a space parked as far away from other cars as possible and long since on my way to do whatever I had to do. I dont expect preferential treatment, but I do think it shows people dont understand or consider the problems of others when they assume thats what its about.

I simply didnt realise what an operation it is to move a baby and all the stuff, bag of changing stuff and a few other things you seem to carry along until recently, in particular getting the stuff (seat) out of the car where the extra space is handy, if not necessary. It might not be as necessary when a child is grown, but I still dont relish the idea of getting a child from A-B in a car park, think those that do limited paths, due to the way people drive, ie fast looking for a space, not looking out for pedestrians
The ability to just jump out of the car from 100 metres away and stride into the shops is no longer a possibility, that is no hassle when you have to get yourself only or two able adults out of a car to the doors of the shop. I never realised until I started parking in P&C the selfishness of people that they just disregard it, I thought it was just disabled use spaces that were abused. I've come across this P&C a few times and twice recently where the offender parked in the last space, watch them hop out and head off, while I have to go off to somewhere more inconvenient. I'm considering shaming or if they are ignorant about it, abusing them for their selfishness.


Teaching a child about parking simply doesnt feature on the radar of a child I'd imagine, certainly not a baby and thats where the most convenience is. To them it's eats,sheets,sleeps.

_Kaiser_

Irish (drivers) are selfish, inconsiderate and lazy shocker. :rolleyes:

But seriously, the only "argument" I've seen here in this thread is a rather weak "why should I be discriminated against" one by people who resent someone else being able to do something they can't (of course this same attitude carries over into so many other aspects of Irish life too so it's not surprising really)

Seriously, in a thread about parking and kids, it's ironic that the ones acting childish aren't the ones under 3/4 that these spaces are intended for.

As for taking up disabled parking, well that's worse again.

John_Rambo

Felexicon wrote: »

Not to be rude or anything but that's not what I'm doing at all. If you read my post you'll realise that the point I'm making is that I don't believe parents would complain about people using the spaces if they were at the back of the carparks as opposed to close to the main door as most are

You are within you're rights to do what you do. You have the law on your side, but you're wrong when you say you are not rude.

You are rude.

You don't have to help a ma or da on to the bus with their buggy, the law doesn't say you have to keep a lift open for a girl or guy trying to get in to the lift with three or four kids, there is no legal obligation to help out a parent struggling with kids trying to change a tyre, there is no legal reason why you shouldn't drive by a young family desperate for a lift after a break down or an accident, you aren't bound by law to give up your seat to a heavily pregnant girl or a dad with a newborn baby on a train... just like theirs no law that states you have to leave the P&C parking freed up for people with kids!

We can't legislate manners!

But, thankfully, there are people here that would give up their seat, offer a lift or help, keep the lift open, refrain from parking in designated parking areas etc... I, and most people on this thread are like that.

You are not like that. You park in a designated area not designed for you because it makes life ever so slightly easier for you. In fact you seem to get a bit of pleasure out of it!

I don't know if it's the way you were raised or if you consider yourself important or you just feel justified by you actions, as you mentioned you feel discriminated, it's probably some sort of personal issue that needs to be addressed.

I always leave those parking spaces free for the really obvious reasons.

That goes for anyone on this thread that parks in P&C parking spaces, you are perfectly entitled to do so. But you are rude and inconsiderate.

Voodoomelon

Let the lazy/child ridden argue and box the head of each other all day long over those poxy spaces. I'll continue to park right down the back in no-mans land and stroll in at my own pace, with nothing stronger than a light breeze caressing the sides of my car.

goz83

All of the above areas of helpfulness, I would generally do this. Those who know me, know that I often go out of my way to help people. BUT, I still don't agree with the whole C&P spaces....at least not being placed where they are. If anything, I would say there should be wheelchair spots only at the front of any car park. C&P spaces, if needed (for babies and toddlers in buggies and prams) should be put to the rear of the car park, where they will be far less likely to be used by those without a "need" to use them.

I have had hundreds of euros of damage done to my cars over the years thanks to the very helpful nature of those who don't know how to open a car door without whacking the one next to them. If there is a large parking space and it is not a wheelchair space, I will park there, as it is closer to the eyes of security and very unlikely to attract damage to my vehicles. I honestly don't give a rats ass if I can't park in a big space, beside the door when I have 3 kids in tow. I'm sure all the people who call us renegade parking folk "rude" and "arrogant" are shining examples in every other way too.

Bottom line is that some recognise C&P spaces as necessary for parents and kids, while others see a free parking space and will use it. I don't think anything else is coming from this thread.

John_Rambo

goz83 wrote: »

C&P spaces, if needed (for babies and toddlers in buggies and prams) should be put to the rear of the car park, where they will be far less likely to be used by those without a "need" to use them

I'd imagine the spaces are positioned in a place where the kids that can walk don't need to be walking through car park traffic making it safer for the kids. It doesn't take a genius to work out that folk with babies or kids in buggies AND kids that can walk would be happy to not walk through traffic for obvious reasons..

Look, it doesn't make a difference, idiots will be idiots and will park in the P&C parking spaces because they have every right to do so!

goz83

John_Rambo wrote: »

idiots will be idiots and will park in the P&C parking spaces because they have every right to do so!

You're not suggesting we just leave our cars on the road while we do our shopping, are you? :rolleyes:

It also doesn't take much to keep your children by your side when walking through the car park. Some parents can't control their kid from running all over the place....so lets designate a "special" parking place for them outside....no wait....inside the shopping mall. Everyone has their own little set of circumstances, but if a parent can't manage to get their kids safely into the shop...then I can only wonder what other challenges lie ahead of them.

Slightly OT, but the same parents who whinge that they are not allowed park on school grounds to drop and collect their kids are (in my personal experience) the same parents who let their kids (as young as 3) run wild on the roads...because 6 year old Jonny boy is taking care of them. I drive slowly down my street and every other time, a couple of kids run out in front of me, chasing a ball, or riding one of those death trap scooters! When the parents are out in the garden yapping away at eachother, they look at the drivers as if to say "you shouldn't be driving on the road with kids on it".

Another time I was cleaning my car and the wifes car. My car was backed out onto the footpath and one of the neighbours from up the road was huffing and puffing because she had to walk around the car, onto the road, but was being shielded by several other parked cars on the road. This same woman lets her....wait for it.....2 year old play out on the road and this is at a winding corner, where it's almost always choked up with parked cars and vans. Its been over 20 years since a child has been struck by a car on my road and while i'm thankful for that, I feel it's only a matter of time before a child is seriously injured, or killed.

Maybe a walk through a car park can help the kids with some extra road sense.

pontia

being disabled is not a choice,having kids and driving a suv that you cant park is,nothing to do with me,would never park in disabled spot,p and c wouldent worry me

goz83

People with kids will usually spend more in the supermarket. That's the real reason they have C&P spots. All you single, childless, cold hearted, unloved suckers have to park in the narrow spaces and have your cars ruined by the parents who couldn't find an suv spot to park in. :pac:

Merch

goz83 wrote: »

You're not suggesting we just leave our cars on the road while we do our shopping, are you? :rolleyes:

It also doesn't take much to keep your children by your side when walking through the car park. Some parents can't control their kid from running all over the place....so lets designate a "special" parking place for them outside....no wait....inside the shopping mall. Everyone has their own little set of circumstances, but if a parent can't manage to get their kids safely into the shop...then I can only wonder what other challenges lie ahead of them.

Slightly OT, but the same parents who whinge that they are not allowed park on school grounds to drop and collect their kids are (in my personal experience) the same parents who let their kids (as young as 3) run wild on the roads...because 6 year old Jonny boy is taking care of them. I drive slowly down my street and every other time, a couple of kids run out in front of me, chasing a ball, or riding one of those death trap scooters! When the parents are out in the garden yapping away at eachother, they look at the drivers as if to say "you shouldn't be driving on the road with kids on it".

Another time I was cleaning my car and the wifes car. My car was backed out onto the footpath and one of the neighbours from up the road was huffing and puffing because she had to walk around the car, onto the road, but was being shielded by several other parked cars on the road. This same woman lets her....wait for it.....2 year old play out on the road and this is at a winding corner, where it's almost always choked up with parked cars and vans. Its been over 20 years since a child has been struck by a car on my road and while i'm thankful for that, I feel it's only a matter of time before a child is seriously injured, or killed.

Maybe a walk through a car park can help the kids with some extra road sense.

I can see you simply cannot see your own behaviour is considered inconsiderate or worse by some other people, you're not meant to block the path either, its to allow people to walk on, if someone has a buggy should they also go around your vehicle onto the road? the elderly maybe? you complain kids are running around on the street but then insist people walk onto the road because you park your car on the path??
Some car parks have limited number of paths and the P&C spaces are (as far as i have seen) beside the path, routinely I see drivers racing around looking for spaces, the less time moving a small child the better.
I was referring to parent child spaces as I consider the extra room necessary for getting a car seat out and the space to put the buggy in, you insist you will park there regardless of whether you need it or not, its just a handy space for you and yet you complain about getting your car damaged. Thats not necessarily related to people with kids, sometimes it is, but thats a seperate issue. Its a pain, has happened to me, but compounding one error with bad attitude doesnt do anything to help you.
Also I dispute that your car is less likely to get damaged near the doors to a shop, certainly not because its under the watchful eye of security because im pretty sure it isnt, dont think they are looking at that.
I really wasnt expecting people to come on and defend misuse of P&C spaces really, but I shouldnt be suprised. Until recently I didnt even look at those spaces, As has been mentioned, there are a limited number of spaces designated to P&C, so the person misusing them is being a more than just a bit selfish as far as i can see. Its the same mindset that allows people to justify parking in disabled spaces.

There is one thing I agree with you though, nothing more will come of this thread, or nothing good.
I guess the everyone else is doing it, so I will too or basically the fcuk everyone else attitude is fairly prevelant, I shouldnt be suprised really.

guyfo

goz83 wrote: »

C&P spaces, if needed (for babies and toddlers in buggies and prams) should be put to the rear of the car park, where they will be far less likely to be used by those without a "need" to use them.

Jeasus with logic like that you should work in the public service!

Maybe they should put the disabled spaces at the bottom of a flight of stairs?

What on earth is the point in putting reserved parking as far away from the door as possible. Why dont you park right at the back of carparks away from other cars if your so worried about getting dints instead of taking other peoples spaces.

Do you own the tesco carpark? If the answer is no then maybe you should park where they assign you too. Its their private land. Even if they wanted to put in a few flying elephant parking spaces they have a right to and you would have absolutely no god given right to them as you think you have to parent child spaces.

John_Rambo

goz83 wrote: »

My car was backed out onto the footpath and one of the neighbours from up the road was huffing and puffing because she had to walk around the car, onto the road.

I'm sorry, but, as I said, you are being rude and inconsiderate, I know you don't think you are and I know you are within the law etc... but you park in Parent and Child designated car parks, you block the footpath with your car, you consider kids scooters "deathtraps", you don't seem to like or get on with your neighbours, you think if other people are rude it gives you the right to be just as rude.

Look, I'm sure you're a nice fella, you seem to be by your other posts. You're defense for parking in the P&C spaces is pathetically lame, along with everyone else. Not sure if it's a gripe you have or some issue, but any mature adult knows it's better to leave them for parents with kids for all the very valid reasons already stated in this thread.

pwurple

John_Rambo wrote: »

I know you are within the law etc...

He isn't within the law though. As far as I know it is illegal to park on the footpath. 1997 roads and traffic act.

Blocking the footpath with a car is very bad form. It's up there with people who let their dogs foul all over footpaths. Pushing a wheelchair or buggy out onto the road to avoid these inconsiderate idiots is dangerous.

P&C spaces, I used when available when we had a small baby, but honestly, the spaces would be fine a bit further away from the door. If not there, I parked to the back of the carpark, where it was less likely someone would park beside me. I'm sticking the baby in a buggy anyway, so it's not a biggie to walk a bit further.

Sittingpretty

pwurple wrote: »

John_Rambo wrote: »

I know you are within the law etc...

He isn't within the law though. As far as I know it is illegal to park on the footpath. 1997 roads and traffic act.

Blocking the footpath with a car is very bad form. It's up there with people who let their dogs foul all over footpaths. Pushing a wheelchair or buggy out onto the road to avoid these inconsiderate idiots is dangerous.

P&C spaces, I used when available when we had a small baby, but honestly, the spaces would be fine a bit further away from the door. If not there, I parked to the back of the carpark, where it was less likely someone would park beside me. I'm sticking the baby in a buggy anyway, so it's not a biggie to walk a bit further.

Exactly, the P&C spaces are exactly that, a convenience for parents with small children which is why I treat them similarly as the disabled spaces. They are great for me when I have my baby with me, just for the added space, proximity to the footpath etc.
I wouldn't use these spaces if I didn't have my baby with me and to be fair, if they are taken its not a huge deal to park further away but I still respect them for the people they are designated to.
I can't fathom the mindset that believes they are being discrimated against by the very existance of P&C spaces 😳

Kenny Logins

This argument has gone on for a long time on here, and I don't see the point of it TBH - many of the shops I use have regular parking spaces closer to the door (which seems to be the goal here..) than the P&C spaces, so what's the problem? It's not like priority boarding or some other form of special treatment, it's just slightly wider spaces that can be accessed without walking between moving cars, and deemed necessary by the owners of the property. Get over it.

Theta

I struggle to get out of my car most of the time in Irish car parks because the spots are so narrow so I can only imagine the pain of take a car seat or baby out of one so I dont see the problem in having P&C spaces and I wouldnt use one as I dont have kids.

I have seen German multi stories with women only spaces at the front of the car park near the door and in the most well lit areas.

renofan

RoverJames wrote: »

Disabled spaces are chronically abused, lots of folks with the blue permit equipped car but without the disability or the passenger parking in them, that's as bad as someone in a car without a permit doing so imo.

There is a taxi place underneath my office and one fella come in, parks across the road with a disabled badge on the dash (on main street in the town where space is at a premium anyways), and walks across to the taxi business and comes out and hops into the taxi and works away for the day. I know there is nothing wrong with the fella and I pointed it out to the parking warden one day. Couldn't give a f%%k, just told me to get the reg of the car, the long line of digits off the badge and ring the wheelchair association and complain to them.

haulagebasher

I diespise those who abuse disabled parking space as it breaks the law and it a finable offence. However, there is nothing wrong with parking in "mother and child" spaces or "pregnant" spaces as these have no basis in the ROTR and there is no fine for parking in them. Do you have to have a child or pregnant certificate or badge to park in them like you do with a disabled space? No.They are simply pictures drawn on the ground and are just a stunt by shopping centres et al. Notice that they are alomost universally in place on private car parks in shiop rather than in public spaces - they have no legal basis. I can park, and often do, in preggo/child spaces and I have gotten hassle for it because " I can't parkthere". My reply is usually like "If you have a problem with my parking you can contact the Trafic Warden or the Guards because they will see that I am doing nothing wrong".They are meaningless and are not sanctioned in the ROTR. I will continue to use them as a matter of principle just because I can.

Kenny Logins

haulagebasher wrote: »

I diespise those who abuse disabled parking space as it breaks the law and it a finable offence. However, there is nothing wrong with parking in "mother and child" spaces or "pregnant" spaces as these have no basis in the ROTR and there is no fine for parking in them. Do you have to have a child or pregnant certificate or badge to park in them like you do with a disabled space? No.They are simply pictures drawn on the ground and are just a stunt by shopping centres et al. Notice that they are alomost universally in place on private car parks in shiop rather than in public spaces - they have no legal basis. I can park, and often do, in preggo/child spaces and I have gotten hassle for it because " I can't parkthere". My reply is usually like "If you have a problem with my parking you can contact the Trafic Warden or the Guards because they will see that I am doing nothing wrong".They are meaningless and are not sanctioned in the ROTR. I will continue to use them as a matter of principle just because I can.

You're absolutely right; there is no law against ignorance.

looksee

goz83 wrote: »

I hate to point this out, but a perfectly fit person (you) did park in the disabled spot and jump out. If both you and your husband were going to return to the the car, well that's ok. I would say that if an able bodied person is able to drop the disabled person and collect the disabled person at the door; then there is no need to occupy a disabled space.....but it's far less a crime than those who really do abuse them. And why are disabled spots being mentioned at all? The topic was parent and child spots.

I knew it wasn't a good idea posting this! Normally you cant depend on being able to stop at the door coming out, and the whole performance of leaving person in reception, walking about a quarter of a mile to get car, driving round the busy public road through two roundabouts, arriving at door then having to abandon car to fetch person, in a space that is reserved for ambulances is not on. (Which is what I was doing till he got the card) So yes, we were going to go back to the disabled space. And disabled spots are mentioned in the title of the thread.

Anan1

looksee wrote: »

I knew it wasn't a good idea posting this! Normally you cant depend on being able to stop at the door coming out, and the whole performance of leaving person in reception, walking about a quarter of a mile to get car, driving round the busy public road through two roundabouts, arriving at door then having to abandon car to fetch person, in a space that is reserved for ambulances is not on. (Which is what I was doing till he got the card) So yes, we were going to go back to the disabled space. And disabled spots are mentioned in the title of the thread.

I don't see any problem with what you did. You were parking the car for the benefit of the disabled person.

goz83

Merch wrote: »

I can see you simply cannot see your own behaviour is considered inconsiderate or worse by some other people

That would make you incorrect. I see that other people consider it to be inconsiderate and rude.

Merch wrote: »

you're not meant to block the path either, its to allow people to walk on, if someone has a buggy should they also go around your vehicle onto the road?

It's easy to visualise this the wrong way. I live on a cul de sac, about 700 meters long. There are house on both sides of the road and cars parked on the road on both sides at grass verges. This woman was inconvenienced only to the point of having to put one side of the buggy on the road, as there was plenty of sapce to get around safely. The woman, however, decided to have a strop and walk out onto the road a good meter behind the car. Even at this, she and her child were completely safe, as there was a car parked both in front and behind her at the time. I hope my description is helpful, but you'd really have to see it. Her husband was with her and the look he gave me was one of embarrassment for his wife. Any individual could pass without the need to step foot on the road and that goes for a normal sized buggy too, not the massive luxury type she was using, which you could say is inconsiderate to others using the path, as they would have to walk out on the road if she was passing them! My car was parked there for a few moments while I was present, finishing off the valet I was doing on it. I don't park on the footpath habitually.

Merch wrote: »

you insist you will park there regardless of whether you need it or not, its just a handy space for you and yet you complain about getting your car damaged. Thats not necessarily related to people with kids, sometimes it is, but thats a seperate issue. Its a pain, has happened to me, but compounding one error with bad attitude doesnt do anything to help you.

No, I don't insist. If I am driving up alongside the C&P spaces and I see one is available, but behind me I see an SUV with a parent and a bunch of kids, I will head down toward the end of the car park and find somewhere my car won't be mauled.

Merch wrote: »

Also I dispute that your car is less likely to get damaged near the doors to a shop, certainly not because its under the watchful eye of security because im pretty sure it isnt, dont think they are looking at that.

How can you know what the security are looking at? That's just presumptuous, rather than an assurance. I worked as a retail security guard and spent many days in the security control rooms and I can tell you that plenty of attention is given to what goes on in a car park; especially the area closest to the entrance, because that's where teenagers hang around. If the camera is pointing toward them, it's pointing toward the C&P spots. I have had several complaints of damage, theft and vandalism in car parks. Never once did it happen in a disabled, or a C&P spot. Also, security usually dont give a hot if someone parks in the disabled spots, let alone the C&P spots. I regularly called the clampers when I was on duty to clamp people parked in disabled spots and nearly lost my job for "causing unnecessary hassle to shoppers". So don't try to tell me what security don't pay attention to.

Merch wrote: »

Its the same mindset that allows people to justify parking in disabled spaces.

No, it's not. As I have already said, as have others who park in C&P spots, I would never park in a disabled spot. A disabled person needs that spot. A parent and child do not need special parking spaces, but it does make life more convenient for them I am sure you will agree. It also makes life more convenient for those parking there without kids.

Merch wrote: »

I shouldnt be suprised really.

But you're not, are you. It's a little naive to think that there would not be people defending their parking behaviour, or their use of designated spots, which they consider to be unfair. There are many safe areas in car parks where the C&P spots could be placed. It doesn't have to be right beside the door. Tesco in clarehall actually give them priority over disabled spaces :eek:

Now that's just a joke. The disabled spots are one row back to the C&P spots.

guyfo wrote: »

Jeasus with logic like that you should work in the public service!

Maybe they should put the disabled spaces at the bottom of a flight of stairs?

Condescending piece over? Lets move on.

guyfo wrote: »

What on earth is the point in putting reserved parking as far away from the door as possible. Why dont you park right at the back of carparks away from other cars if your so worried about getting dints instead of taking other peoples spaces.

The point is that legally, unenforceable parking spaces are far less likely to be parked in by those who are not "assigned" to them, if they are placed away from the doors. If a parent needs extra space to get their massive buggy and baby seat from the car, they could have that space at the rear of the car park, or somewhere not right beside the door.

guyfo wrote: »

Do you own the tesco carpark? If the answer is no then maybe you should park where they assign you too. Its their private land. Even if they wanted to put in a few flying elephant parking spaces they have a right to and you would have absolutely no god given right to them as you think you have to parent child spaces.

No. I don't own Tesco car park. I do not park in legally zoned spaces, ever. Tesco can put in as many flying elephant and C&P spaces as they wish. I will par in the widest space available, ideally closer to the door. As a parent, I don't feel anymore entitled to be given a designated space beside the entrance than the zit faced 17 year old in his civic.

John_Rambo wrote: »

you consider kids scooters "deathtraps", you don't seem to like or get on with your neighbours, you think if other people are rude it gives you the right to be just as rude.

Yes, the teeny scooter with the teeny wheels they're always jumping across the road on and falling off....death traps, but that's OT. I don't really follow you on the not liking my neighbours. Is that an attempt to paint me in some light? I like the neighbours just fine. But there are always some who are difficult to like. What's your point? I have lived where I live all my life and bought this place from my Dad, because I like the area and neighbours.[/QUOTE]

John_Rambo wrote: »

Look, I'm sure you're a nice fella, you seem to be by your other posts. You're defense for parking in the P&C spaces is pathetically lame, along with everyone else. Not sure if it's a gripe you have or some issue, but any mature adult knows it's better to leave them for parents with kids for all the very valid reasons already stated in this thread.

Thanks. I like to think i'm nice (most of the time). But your opinion on my defense is just that, your opinion. You disagree with people using C&P spaces. I disagree with the need for them to be prioritised against the needs of everyone else.

pwurple wrote: »

Blocking the footpath with a car is very bad form. It's up there with people who let their dogs foul all over footpaths. Pushing a wheelchair or buggy out onto the road to avoid these inconsiderate idiots is dangerous.

Sorry, but what planet are you from? Those are completely different things altogether and should not be in the same thread. The proof is in this question.

If given only two options, would you prefer to:

(A) Walk around a car backed out from a driveway, forcing you to step onto the edge of a quiet road for 2-3 seconds, in a private estate? Or

(B) Walk into a steaming pile of Dog Shyte on the footpath?

looksee wrote: »

I knew it wasn't a good idea posting this!

TBH, I was only taking the mick here. You did nothing wrong.

cir287

I always go to the express checkout at tesco with a full trolley of 100+ items, its not legally enforcable for them to say I cant !

Sittingpretty

goz83 wrote: »

Merch wrote: »

I can see you simply cannot see your own behaviour is considered inconsiderate or worse by some other people

That would make you incorrect. I see that other people consider it to be inconsiderate and rude.

Merch wrote: »

you're not meant to block the path either, its to allow people to walk on, if someone has a buggy should they also go around your vehicle onto the road?

It's easy to visualise this the wrong way. I live on a cul de sac, about 700 meters long. There are house on both sides of the road and cars parked on the road on both sides at grass verges. This woman was inconvenienced only to the point of having to put one side of the buggy on the road, as there was plenty of sapce to get around safely. The woman, however, decided to have a strop and walk out onto the road a good meter behind the car. Even at this, she and her child were completely safe, as there was a car parked both in front and behind her at the time. I hope my description is helpful, but you'd really have to see it. Her husband was with her and the look he gave me was one of embarrassment for his wife. Any individual could pass without the need to step foot on the road and that goes for a normal sized buggy too, not the massive luxury type she was using, which you could say is inconsiderate to others using the path, as they would have to walk out on the road if she was passing them! My car was parked there for a few moments while I was present, finishing off the valet I was doing on it. I don't park on the footpath habitually.

Merch wrote: »

you insist you will park there regardless of whether you need it or not, its just a handy space for you and yet you complain about getting your car damaged. Thats not necessarily related to people with kids, sometimes it is, but thats a seperate issue. Its a pain, has happened to me, but compounding one error with bad attitude doesnt do anything to help you.

No, I don't insist. If I am driving up alongside the C&P spaces and I see one is available, but behind me I see an SUV with a parent and a bunch of kids, I will head down toward the end of the car park and find somewhere my car won't be mauled.

Merch wrote: »

Also I dispute that your car is less likely to get damaged near the doors to a shop, certainly not because its under the watchful eye of security because im pretty sure it isnt, dont think they are looking at that.

How can you know what the security are looking at? That's just presumptuous, rather than an assurance. I worked as a retail security guard and spent many days in the security control rooms and I can tell you that plenty of attention is given to what goes on in a car park; especially the area closest to the entrance, because that's where teenagers hang around. If the camera is pointing toward them, it's pointing toward the C&P spots. I have had several complaints of damage, theft and vandalism in car parks. Never once did it happen in a disabled, or a C&P spot. Also, security usually dont give a hot if someone parks in the disabled spots, let alone the C&P spots. I regularly called the clampers when I was on duty to clamp people parked in disabled spots and nearly lost my job for "causing unnecessary hassle to shoppers". So don't try to tell me what security don't pay attention to.

Merch wrote: »

Its the same mindset that allows people to justify parking in disabled spaces.

No, it's not. As I have already said, as have others who park in C&P spots, I would never park in a disabled spot. A disabled person needs that spot. A parent and child do not need special parking spaces, but it does make life more convenient for them I am sure you will agree. It also makes life more convenient for those parking there without kids.

Merch wrote: »

I shouldnt be suprised really.

But you're not, are you. It's a little naive to think that there would not be people defending their parking behaviour, or their use of designated spots, which they consider to be unfair. There are many safe areas in car parks where the C&P spots could be placed. It doesn't have to be right beside the door. Tesco in clarehall actually give them priority over disabled spaces :eek:

Now that's just a joke. The disabled spots are one row back to the C&P spots.

guyfo wrote: »

Jeasus with logic like that you should work in the public service!

Maybe they should put the disabled spaces at the bottom of a flight of stairs?

Condescending piece over? Lets move on.

guyfo wrote: »

What on earth is the point in putting reserved parking as far away from the door as possible. Why dont you park right at the back of carparks away from other cars if your so worried about getting dints instead of taking other peoples spaces.

The point is that legally, unenforceable parking spaces are far less likely to be parked in by those who are not "assigned" to them, if they are placed away from the doors. If a parent needs extra space to get their massive buggy and baby seat from the car, they could have that space at the rear of the car park, or somewhere not right beside the door.

guyfo wrote: »

Do you own the tesco carpark? If the answer is no then maybe you should park where they assign you too. Its their private land. Even if they wanted to put in a few flying elephant parking spaces they have a right to and you would have absolutely no god given right to them as you think you have to parent child spaces.

No. I don't own Tesco car park. I do not park in legally zoned spaces, ever. Tesco can put in as many flying elephant and C&P spaces as they wish. I will par in the widest space available, ideally closer to the door. As a parent, I don't feel anymore entitled to be given a designated space beside the entrance than the zit faced 17 year old in his civic.

John_Rambo wrote: »

you consider kids scooters "deathtraps", you don't seem to like or get on with your neighbours, you think if other people are rude it gives you the right to be just as rude.

Yes, the teeny scooter with the teeny wheels they're always jumping across the road on and falling off....death traps, but that's OT. I don't really follow you on the not liking my neighbours. Is that an attempt to paint me in some light? I like the neighbours just fine. But there are always some who are difficult to like. What's your point? I have lived where I live all my life and bought this place from my Dad, because I like the area and neighbours.

John_Rambo wrote: »

Look, I'm sure you're a nice fella, you seem to be by your other posts. You're defense for parking in the P&C spaces is pathetically lame, along with everyone else. Not sure if it's a gripe you have or some issue, but any mature adult knows it's better to leave them for parents with kids for all the very valid reasons already stated in this thread.

Thanks. I like to think i'm nice (most of the time). But your opinion on my defense is just that, your opinion. You disagree with people using C&P spaces. I disagree with the need for them to be prioritised against the needs of everyone else.

pwurple wrote: »

Blocking the footpath with a car is very bad form. It's up there with people who let their dogs foul all over footpaths. Pushing a wheelchair or buggy out onto the road to avoid these inconsiderate idiots is dangerous.

Sorry, but what planet are you from? Those are completely different things altogether and should not be in the same thread. The proof is in this question.

If given only two options, would you prefer to:

(A) Walk around a car backed out from a driveway, forcing you to step onto the edge of a quiet road for 2-3 seconds, in a private estate? Or

(B) Walk into a steaming pile of Dog Shyte on the footpath?

looksee wrote: »

I knew it wasn't a good idea posting this!

TBH, I was only taking the mick here. You did nothing wrong.[/Quote]


None of your attempts to justify parking in a space that's not designated for you are working. I don't know if you are a parent or not, that's not particularly important but you still haven't explained how you personally are discriminated against by the existance of P&C spaces. Discrimination is a very emotive word, genuinely interested in how you feel discriminated against.
It would be more honest of you to say that honestly while you respect the need for disabled spaces that you frankly couldn't give a rats about maybe making it a little easier for a parent with a few kiddies on board. it may not be essential for them but it certainly goes in some way to make it easier. I wouldn't deny a parent this given that when I'm alone in my car it's of no consequence to me how far away from the door I can park.
I think no matter how you might perceive your stance, it is a on the bitter side and a bit mean spirited despite its "legality".

Turbulent Bill

Before I had a kid my attitude was that P&C spaces were a bit of a nonsense, although I never used them. As a parent, they can be a godsend. The regular parking spaces in my local supermarket are too narrow to allow a baby or its seat to be removed from the car, even when parked perfectly with a bog-standard family car. I'm very conscious about not bashing doors off neighbouring cars.

On the location near the entrance, the trolley return stations in the carpark don't accept trolleys with baby seats, hence you have to return them to outside of the shop. Having the P&C spots near the shop makes this much, much easier. For older kids, there are huge advantages in having a short, safe route - it's nothing to do with laziness.

Ultimately, the shops have P&C spaces as they're good for business - if you don't like them, shop elsewhere. As for disabled spaces, my blood boils when I see these misused.

goz83

Sittingpretty wrote: »

None of your attempts to justify parking in a space that's not designated for you are working. I don't know if you are a parent or not, that's not particularly important but you still haven't explained how you personally are discriminated against by the existance of P&C spaces. Discrimination is a very emotive word, genuinely interested in how you feel discriminated against.
It would be more honest of you to say that honestly while you respect the need for disabled spaces that you frankly couldn't give a rats about maybe making it a little easier for a parent with a few kiddies on board. it may not be essential for them but it certainly goes in some way to make it easier. I wouldn't deny a parent this given that when I'm alone in my car it's of no consequence to me how far away from the door I can park.
I think no matter how you might perceive your stance, it is a on the bitter side and a bit mean spirited despite its "legality".

Many of the quoted attempts were nothing to do with C&P if you actually took the time to read them. But you're clearly not reading the thread, because I have mentioned the fact that I am a parent, on a number of occasions. If someone parks in the C&P spot when I am looking for parking in the car park, while having my kids in tow, I will hold no grudge. More honest? Who are you to question the truth of what I am saying? Now that's arrogant! If I wanted an easy time of this I would just post nothing at all....but I am posting my honest opinions thank you very much. How you view them is up to you, but don't be coming on here and calling me dishonest! You can park as far away from C&P parking spaces as you like. I'm sure you're conscious is clear in every other area of your life. Have you ever used a disabled toilet? Honestly? If you have, then shame on you. :rolleyes: Even if just for a moment, some less-abled person might have been waiting while you clog the toilet with the same type of crap you've spewed above.

The solution is to have wider spaces for all. The solution is to move the C&P spaces to the rear. The solution is to remove C&P spaces and designate them as less-abled spaces. The solution is not to whinge about others parking in wider not legally enforceable spots right outside the door to someone, just because they have kids with them, myself included. If I don't park in there, the person in the civic behind me will. One way or another, these spaces will be used by most people, with, or without kids.

goz83

Turbulent Bill wrote: »

Before I had a kid my attitude was that P&C spaces were a bit of a nonsense, although I never used them. As a parent, they can be a godsend. The regular parking spaces in my local supermarket are too narrow to allow a baby or its seat to be removed from the car, even when parked perfectly with a bog-standard family car. I'm very conscious about not bashing doors off neighbouring cars.

On the location near the entrance, the trolley return stations in the carpark don't accept trolleys with baby seats, hence you have to return them to outside of the shop. Having the P&C spots near the shop makes this much, much easier. For older kids, there are huge advantages in having a short, safe route - it's nothing to do with laziness.

Ultimately, the shops have P&C spaces as they're good for business - if you don't like them, shop elsewhere. As for disabled spaces, my blood boils when I see these misused.

Good post. I agree 100% that regular parking spaces are too narrow. Some car parks look like they've been designed for scooters, they're so slim in space.

I do see both sides of the coin here. But I have had way too much damage done to my cars at car parks. I had a full respray on my car a few weeks ago and a few days later I park my car at the back of the carp ark in tesco clarehall, outside the main parking area. No other cars were in the same lot as me. When I returned, there was a ding on the door and a scratch to compliment it. No car beside it though! I was only gone 10 minutes! On the passenger side was another car, but no other cars in the lot and literally hundreds of free spaces. I was lucky to be collecting a part from the place who sprayed the car that day and they polished the scratch out for me.

There is usually no cctv down the back, which is where grubby hands will steal dust caps and badges from desireable cars/brands. I am much happier parking the SUV at the back and walking through the car park with the kids, than parking up the sports coupe in the same spot. I'm sorry, but if C&P spots are to be considered a no go area by me, the car park owners need to have more consideration for everyone else. Otherwise it is discrimination.

Sittingpretty

goz83 wrote: »

Sittingpretty wrote: »

None of your attempts to justify parking in a space that's not designated for you are working. I don't know if you are a parent or not, that's not particularly important but you still haven't explained how you personally are discriminated against by the existance of P&C spaces. Discrimination is a very emotive word, genuinely interested in how you feel discriminated against.
It would be more honest of you to say that honestly while you respect the need for disabled spaces that you frankly couldn't give a rats about maybe making it a little easier for a parent with a few kiddies on board. it may not be essential for them but it certainly goes in some way to make it easier. I wouldn't deny a parent this given that when I'm alone in my car it's of no consequence to me how far away from the door I can park.
I think no matter how you might perceive your stance, it is a on the bitter side and a bit mean spirited despite its "legality".

Many of the quoted attempts were nothing to do with C&P if you actually took the time to read them. But you're clearly not reading the thread, because I have mentioned the fact that I am a parent, on a number of occasions. If someone parks in the C&P spot when I am looking for parking in the car park, while having my kids in tow, I will hold no grudge. More honest? Who are you to question the truth of what I am saying? Now that's arrogant! If I wanted an easy time of this I would just post nothing at all....but I am posting my honest opinions thank you very much. How you view them is up to you, but don't be coming on here and calling me dishonest! You can park as far away from C&P parking spaces as you like. I'm sure you're conscious is clear in every other area of your life. Have you ever used a disabled toilet? Honestly? If you have, then shame on you. :rolleyes: Even if just for a moment, some less-abled person might have been waiting while you clog the toilet with the same type of crap you've spewed above.

The solution is to have wider spaces for all. The solution is to move the C&P spaces to the rear. The solution is to remove C&P spaces and designate them as less-abled spaces. The solution is not to whinge about others parking in wider not legally enforceable spots right outside the door to someone, just because they have kids with them, myself included. If I don't park in there, the person in the civic behind me will. One way or another, these spaces will be used by most people, with, or without kids.

I missed the part where you said you were a parent, mes culpa.

I was genuinely interested in how you feel discriminated against.

Your response to me is just rude, no interest in debating the issue further with you when you resort to calling my opinion crap.

All the best.

Guy:Incognito

haulagebasher wrote: »

No.They are simply pictures drawn on the ground and are just a stunt by shopping centres et al..

Who owns the land?

Do you just do whatever the hell you want when your in other peoples houses?

getz

there is no excuse for drivers parking in disabled parking spaces,the law states,that disabled parking spaces are off limits at all times to all motorists,but when i was in carlow my mind boggled to see a pregnant woman parking space,

Sittingpretty

goz83 wrote: »

Turbulent Bill wrote: »

Before I had a kid my attitude was that P&C spaces were a bit of a nonsense, although I never used them. As a parent, they can be a godsend. The regular parking spaces in my local supermarket are too narrow to allow a baby or its seat to be removed from the car, even when parked perfectly with a bog-standard family car. I'm very conscious about not bashing doors off neighbouring cars.

On the location near the entrance, the trolley return stations in the carpark don't accept trolleys with baby seats, hence you have to return them to outside of the shop. Having the P&C spots near the shop makes this much, much easier. For older kids, there are huge advantages in having a short, safe route - it's nothing to do with laziness.

Ultimately, the shops have P&C spaces as they're good for business - if you don't like them, shop elsewhere. As for disabled spaces, my blood boils when I see these misused.

Good post. I agree 100% that regular parking spaces are too narrow. Some car parks look like they've been designed for scooters, they're so slim in space.

I do see both sides of the coin here. But I have had way too much damage done to my cars at car parks. I had a full respray on my car a few weeks ago and a few days later I park my car at the back of the carp ark in tesco clarehall, outside the main parking area. No other cars were in the same lot as me. When I returned, there was a ding on the door and a scratch to compliment it. No car beside it though! I was only gone 10 minutes! On the passenger side was another car, but no other cars in the lot and literally hundreds of free spaces. I was lucky to be collecting a part from the place who sprayed the car that day and they polished the scratch out for me.

There is usually no cctv down the back, which is where grubby hands will steal dust caps and badges from desireable cars/brands. I am much happier parking the SUV at the back and walking through the car park with the kids, than parking up the sports coupe in the same spot. I'm sorry, but if C&P spots are to be considered a no go area by me, the car park owners need to have more consideration for everyone else. Otherwise it is discrimination.

Sometimes I think though dings on cars are the cause of bad parking rather than small spaces. Not in every case but defo in some.
I was parked outside the supermarket last week sitting in my car when a lady pulled in beside me. She was driving and talking on the phone while she parked, didn't leave enough space to get out of her car on her side and emerged from the car, hopping her door off my passenger door, still yapping.
She looked mildly guilty when she saw me sitting in the car and mouthed "sorry" through the window and off she went, still yakking.

byhookorbycrook

I have MS. I have had to come home some days rather than go the pharmacy for my meds, because-wait for it-the drugs' delivery van double parks across 3 disabled spaces!!

Chriscl1

Felexicon wrote: »

What an idiotic argument. Since when does there have to be that trade off. If parents can't get the kids in/out of the car without banging of other cars then they'll have to leave the shopping until someone is available to mind the kids at home

Christ almighty you have come out with some sheite there!! got kids of your own???

Guy:Incognito

getz wrote: »

there is no excuse for drivers parking in disabled parking spaces,the law states,that disabled parking spaces are off limits at all times to all motorists,but when i was in carlow my mind boggled to see a pregnant woman parking space,

The law is irrelevant. The likes of P&c spaces are on private land. If you dont want to respect someones rules on their land, go elsewhere. Just like if someone was doing something you didnt want them to do in your house you'd tell them to leave.

There shouldnt need to be laws governing disabled spaces, but people are *****. There shouldnt need to be laws to make you follow the rules someone sets out for their property either.

getz

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The law is irrelevant. The likes of P&c spaces are on private land. If you dont want to respect someones rules on their land, go elsewhere. Just like if someone was doing something you didnt want them to do in your house you'd tell them to leave.

There shouldnt need to be laws governing disabled spaces, but people are *****. There shouldnt need to be laws to make you follow the rules someone sets out for their property either.

in a civilized society we have to make rules for those who are less able than the rest of us,otherwise it will be f...u jack i am OK

Mental Mickey

RoverJames wrote: »

Disabled spaces are chronically abused, lots of folks with the blue permit equipped car but without the disability or the passenger parking in them, that's as bad as someone in a car without a permit doing so imo.

Only on Saturday did I see an absolute IGNORAMUS park in a disabled spot at my local supermarket, while his wife(I presume?) got out and walked into the shop. I did check the windscreen and there was no blue badge there.

Oh, and just for the record, I parked my car in the disabled space.........with my blue badge.

Guy:Incognito

getz wrote: »

in a civilized society we have to make rules for those who are less able than the rest of us,

Your mixing up rules and laws. Going by this thread, clearly a lot of people dont care about rules . (many people dont care about laws either). Though I presume if the rules are theirs and relate to their property, then they expect peopel to obey them. Funny how that works.


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getz wrote: »

otherwise it will be f...u jack i am OK

Thats exactly how a lot of people already go on. Wuite a few I'm sure give out about others but feel what they do is ok because its seemingly less important.

Sittingpretty

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

getz wrote: »

in a civilized society we have to make rules for those who are less able than the rest of us,

Your mixing up rules and laws. Going by this thread, clearly a lot of people dont care about rules . (many people dont care about laws either). Though I presume if the rules are theirs and relate to their property, then they expect peopel to obey them. Funny how that works.


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getz wrote: »

otherwise it will be f...u jack i am OK

Thats exactly how a lot of people already go on. Wuite a few I'm sure give out about others but feel what they do is ok because its seemingly less important.

Precisely, you cannot make rules or legislate for good manners.

getz

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Your mixing up rules and laws. Going by this thread, clearly a lot of people dont care about rules . (many people dont care about laws either). Though I presume if the rules are theirs and relate to their property, then they expect peopel to obey them. Funny how that works.


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Thats exactly how a lot of people already go on. Wuite a few I'm sure give out about others but feel what they do is ok because its seemingly less important.

a few good parking tickets could sort that lot out,in the likes of companies like tesco,they have done their homework, as a large amount of their customers are parents with children they are trying to supply,and as far as disabled spaces,its just common sense,

slimjimmc

getz wrote: »

there is no excuse for drivers parking in disabled parking spaces,the law states,that disabled parking spaces are off limits at all times to all motorists,but when i was in carlow my mind boggled to see a pregnant woman parking space,

Not in privately owned public places such as churches, shopping centres, etc

Gardai and traffic wardens will not issue tickets for cars illegally parked in disabled parking spaces in a private car park.

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