March for Choice 29th September

UCDVet

Sharrow wrote: »

12 Irish women every weeks go to the UK for an abortion.
There are women who have done this in your life, friends, workmates even family but you think it's not a problem for you?

Wouldn't that be a problem for them?

ScumLord

philologos wrote: »

An embryo differs to a single cell insofar as the embryo is the defacto life that is born, that is a child, that is a teenager, an adult and ultimately the very life that dies. There's no comparison. The comparison to bacteria is very weak when we consider that the embryo is the same life. When I was in embryonic form, that was still the same life I now live.

It's not though, I think the argument that the DNA code that is in the embryo is pretty much a person and it's nearly the same code throughout from birth to death (bar the damage that DNA incurs throughout life) is a good one but it's like having some eggs and flour on your table and saying this is a cake. A person isn't just code, the code is just the foundation it takes experience and a load more development to become a person. A bacteria colony also isn't the same as one bacteria, as the colony grows they essentially become an organism that cooperates and acts as one so it's not that different in some ways.

Not just the data. It is the very same life biologically.

It's not, you can't teach an embryo anything, you can't talk to it, it's just a goo in the oven that has the potential to become cake.

The life is "turned on" from conception. It grows and develops from that point.

But it has no guarantee it's going to become anything more than an embryo, it's not even guaranteed to become a sentient adult as we know most people become. If a child isn't taught how to be a civilised person they won't become a civilised person. All you have to do is look at feral children to see much human behaviour is taught. You seem to be coming from the point of view that life is all laid out from the beginning and your just fulfilling destiny which is simply not the case. Life is one big gamble where anything can happen and ending up as a civilised human being requires a huge effort it doesn't just happen.

Morag

UCDVet wrote: »

Wouldn't that be a problem for them?

So the things which happen to the women in your life just aren't your problem.



This mornings photo call made it into Broadsheet.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2012/09/26/the-abortion-aircoach/

Nodin

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Don't care, not my problem.

You're sterile with no female friends, relatives, associates.....?

Quorum

Wompa1 wrote: »

Probably. Pro-Choice sounds less abortiony

Well, no, pro-choice indicates that you're ok with people have an abortion, but not necessarily saying whether it's for you or not. Choice, ya know, like some women would choose not to have an abortion.

Slurryface

OurLadyofKnock wrote: »

Even under pressure from King Herod, I decided to raise my child - but 33 years later the Romans whacked him.

Yea, but look at all the trouble the fecker is still causing:D

UCDVet

Quorum wrote: »

Well, no, pro-choice indicates that you're ok with people have an abortion, but not necessarily saying whether it's for you or not. Choice, ya know, like some women would choose not to have an abortion.

Yeah - I'm Pro-abortion. As in, I think more people should get them. I advocate them in all cases of unintentional pregnancies.

Unless both parents sat down and said, 'Hey - let's have a baby!', I think they should abort.

Quorum

UCDVet wrote: »

Yeah - I'm Pro-abortion. As in, I think more people should get them. I advocate them in all cases of unintentional pregnancies.

Unless both parents sat down and said, 'Hey - let's have a baby!', I think they should abort.

Can't tell if serious...

UCDVet

Quorum wrote: »

Can't tell if serious...

I'm serious.

I'm willing to accept that an unborn fetus is a 'life'.
I just don't accept that it is entitled to be born.

A high percentage of societies problems come from children who were born (obviously) but were not property taken care of/raised. The percentage of criminals and drug deals who came from broken homes is a lot higher than those who came from loving homes.

People who 'accidentally' have a child are, by definition, either not ready or don't actively want children. I won't say that makes them bad parents; but I will say it GREATLY increases the odds of them being bad parents.

Good parents realize that raising children is hard. It's a sacrifice. It's not something to be taken lightly. I think everyone who has children should ACTIVELY decide to be parents. I also think they should objectively quantify their abilities to raise children. They have an obligation to their children to be good parents. If someone is barely able to take care of themselves - I don't believe they should have children.

Unless someone is 100% ready to have children, I personally believe, it should be avoided. Either through abstinence, birth control, morning after pills or abortion.

Toby Take a Bow

UCDVet wrote: »

A high percentage of societies problems come from children who were born (obviously) but were not property taken care of/raised. The percentage of criminals and drug deals who came from broken homes is a lot higher than those who came from loving homes.

I think economics (and the resulting lack of education) may play a part in this (although I've yet to see a verifiable study stating that a higher percentage of criminals come from broken homes. Not saying that there's not, but if you could provide, I'd be interested in seeing it).

Morag

If you are going to the march on Saturday and you have a red coat the Preform for Choice group are asking if you can wear it.

http://www.irishchoicenetwork.com/preform-for-choice.html

ScumLord

UCDVet wrote: »

I'm serious.

I'm willing to accept that an unborn fetus is a 'life'.
I just don't accept that it is entitled to be born.

A high percentage of societies problems come from children who were born (obviously) but were not property taken care of/raised. The percentage of criminals and drug deals who came from broken homes is a lot higher than those who came from loving homes.

I'd agree with you up to a point, it's better to kill an unaware foetus than it is to put a person through a miserable life. However most animals don't know they're having sex for babies, nature is essentially pulling a fast one on us when it comes to reproduction. Reproduction is more important than all our moralising and I think people should be responsible for their actions. It's not going to happen but that should be the ideal.

Captain Graphite

If this had been done a week earlier I'd have gone but I moved to the UK on Sunday so am not around to attend. But I wish everyone marching the best of luck.

mikom

Captain Graphite wrote: »

If this had been done a week earlier I'd have gone but I moved to the UK

The irony......

Demonique

woodoo wrote: »

Murderer

Have never murdered anyone in my life (abortion or otherwise), try again.

Not like I give much of a s*** about your opinion anyway

squod wrote: »

4,000 'aborted' people didn't have the choice to attend last year. I'd expect the same number of 'aborted' people won't get the choice this year to march for their rights.

Look on the bright side, it just sends them to Jesus faster

Ambient Occlusion wrote: »

I still don't understand. Why not keep it illegal here while legalising getting it done over the border. Everybody wins, right?

Yay for continuing to export abortion to the UK!

Chucken wrote: »

No, I'm not stirring ****.


No one will give a ****, not here anyway, I was born at 24 weeks.


I'm a person.


Oh, By the way that was 48 years ago.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure babies born at 24 weeks didn't survive 48 years ago...

AnonoBoy wrote: »

24 hour security? Why would they need that?

Oh yeah, because of whackjobs who want to murder them.

Didn't anyone ever teach these guys that two wrongs don't make a right?

"Pro-lifers" who want to murder them, the hypocrisy burns...

sethasaurus

A real problem we all need to focus on is reaching epidemic proportions.
Many Irish babies continue to be born with their heads up their asres.
We should also organise a march for this.