Donegal v Mayo, All Ireland SFC Final, September 23rd, 3.30pm.

K-9

Saab Ed wrote: »

Could we have wished for two worse teams in the final. A game between Donegal and Mayo is just a non event. Terrible reflection on the quality of the opposition and the game itself that this match will be the climax of a season. I can't imagine that anybody outside of these two counties , except the most devoted and fervent GAA fans , will actually give a sh!te about this game. If you dont play Dublin, Cork or Kerry in the final then you just git a lucky break that year.

I know, it's terrible than those 3 aren't in the final. Wonder what happened them?

Saab Ed

K-9 wrote: »

Saab Ed wrote: »

Could we have wished for two worse teams in the final. A game between Donegal and Mayo is just a non event. Terrible reflection on the quality of the opposition and the game itself that this match will be the climax of a season. I can't imagine that anybody outside of these two counties , except the most devoted and fervent GAA fans , will actually give a sh!te about this game. If you dont play Dublin, Cork or Kerry in the final then you just git a lucky break that year.

I know, it's terrible than those 3 aren't in the final. Wonder what happened them?

They were sh!te.

Mal-Adjusted

Saab Ed wrote: »

Could we have wished for two worse teams in the final.

sure you could, Clare and Kilkenny. though bad teams don't get to the final.

Saab Ed wrote: »

A game between Donegal and Mayo is just a non event.

not for Donegal and Mayo people (and GAA fans in general)

Saab Ed wrote: »

Terrible reflection on the quality of the opposition and the game itself that this match will be the climax of a season.

I don't follow. they're two great teams.

Saab Ed wrote: »

I can't imagine that anybody outside of these two counties , except the most devoted and fervent GAA fans , will actually give a sh!te about this game.

no more or less than any other GAA final, AKA, every GAA person in the country.

Saab Ed wrote: »

If you dont play Dublin, Cork or Kerry in the final then you just git a lucky break that year.

you're going to have to explain that one. to get to the final, you're going to either
a) have to beat those teams, or
b) beat the teams who already beat those teams.

where's the lucky break?

You seem to be basing your opinion on Donegal & Mayo being bad teams, which simply isn't the case. maybe you'd care to explain how you think they are?

12gauge dave

Not exactly two champagne footballing sides

kupus

Well i lol'd....... from Ceist_Beag;][/QUOTE]

IrishAm

12gauge dave wrote: »

Not exactly two champagne footballing sides

There is a lot more to the game than free flowing attacking football. No matter what Spillane and his ilk may think.

overshoot

12gauge dave wrote: »

Not exactly two champagne footballing sides

hmm so who is these days can you tell me?

Saab Ed wrote: »

They were sh!te.

they were the same panels responsible for the last 3 all irelands... all 3 dispached by the 2 in the final and in croker. funny kerry cork dublin were the 3 favourites before the quarters, when they lose suddenly excuses are rolled out... so yawn

Smartly Dressed

12gauge dave wrote: »

Not exactly two champagne footballing sides

What is 'champagne' football?

MaroonAndGreen

Think its ridiculous saying Donegal and Mayo are poor sides,

Obviously said by someone with no knowledge of football and someone who never kicked a ball in their life.

brian_gall85

Some bitter little children on this thread over the last few pages.

Mayo1980

To be honest i think both are fine footballing sides and both teams have shown the media and these so called pundits are as clueless as the next . i really like the way are playing these days and but i have to say donegal are a super outfit. i really think it will be a great event andthe lucky few who have ticktets . how are yee all getting on the ticket front ???

sanbrafyffe

you must be joking bout the best backline in the game,,,,,,i dont think they like to many high balls in,,,donegal try and prevent this happening from midefield,,,,,





QUOTE=brian_gall85;80639960]Donegal have conceded 3 goals in the entire championship and have played a lot more games having come through from the preliminary round in Ulster. Mayo conceded 2 in the one game v Down.

This argument that Mayo can win by scoring lots of goals is laughable against what is the best backline in the game this year.[/QUOTE]

Corrimbla

12gauge dave wrote: »

Not exactly two champagne footballing sides

Its been said over the years that Mayo, Donegal & Kerry are the most natural footballers in the country. However Kerry have been able to put steel into their game. Now both Mayo and Donegal have that! get used to it mate cuz both these teams have been coming the past couple of years and should be there abouts again for the next while aswell!

Saab Ed

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Think its ridiculous saying Donegal and Mayo are poor sides,

Obviously said by someone with no knowledge of football and someone who never kicked a ball in their life.

Well let's call a spade a spade. Everyone and their mother said that both Dublin and Kerry played sh!te all year. What's it to be, Dublin played superb and Mayo were just better or Dublin were rubbish and Mayo just did what they had to do.

Neither of the teams in this years final are much use. My point is not to slate Mayo or Donegal, my point was that the standard nation wide this year has been poor. Let's be honest , nobody had to raise their game much to beat the big boys. Cork shot themselves in the foot against Donegal and Dublin woke up for 10 minutes and Mayo almost blew it.

Anybody who supports their county should,always do so whole heartedly, no point being naive though. This won't go down as a classic year, neither of these teams will be in next years final. Good luck to both teams though. My own view is Donegal will romp it

brian_gall85

Donegal in their first year under McGuiness more than matched last years champions in the semis and only for their lack of cutting edge in front of goal would have beaten them. Fast forward 12 months and Donegal in their second proper year as a team are in an All Ireland final and all of the teams you have mentioned are in need of new managers.

Some right bitter old trolls on here.

Fr Tod Umptious

K-9 wrote: »

Think we were more wasteful against Kerry.

Don't know what you mean about kool-aid, McFadden is the top scorer in championship remaining, Murphy may not be scoring freely but he is contributing otherwise, scoring obviously isn't a problem for this team as anybody with a bit of sense could see.

Drink the Kool-aid

"Drinking the Kool-Aid" is a metaphor commonly used in the United States and Canada that refers to a person or group's unquestioning belief, argument, or philosophy without critical examination. The phrase typically carries a negative connotation when applied to an individual or group. The basis of the term is a reference to the November 1978 Rev. Jim Jones Jonestown Massacre,[1][2] where members of the Peoples Temple were said to have committed suicide by drinking Flavor Aid (not actually Kool-Aid) drink laced with cyanide.[3][4]

Saab Ed

Corrimbla wrote: »

12gauge dave wrote: »

Not exactly two champagne footballing sides

Its been said over the years that Mayo, Donegal & Kerry are the most natural footballers in the country. ll!

Eh .... no it hasn't. Kerry yes but the other two, really! Maybe in Mayo and Donegal but as I remember it, only last year both of these were near enough laughing stock. Again well done to both teams on reaching the final but the self praise without unbiased self assessment has been very amusing.

brian_gall85

Laughing stocks for reaching the All Ireland semis?....

Saab Ed

brian_gall85 wrote: »

Some right bitter old trolls on here.

Ah the aul us and them chip on the shoulder. The making it personal rather than constructive argument. We ain't gonna take the rose tinted glasses off the fair weather fan. No real fan would disagree with the standard of this years championship being poor.

Anyway, best of luck to both sides.

Saab Ed

Saab Ed wrote: »

Eh .... no it hasn't. Kerry yes but the other two, really! Maybe in Mayo and Donegal but as I remember it, only last year both of these were near enough laughing stock. Again well done to both teams on reaching the final but the self praise without unbiased self assessment has been very amusing.

Mayo's 7th All Ireland in 23 years(including the replay) and multiple league finals, Amazing how a county with 10% of the population of Dublin are regarded as such a poor team considering they have been at the top table for so long, and most years are better than 30+ teams, but still some eejits here call them a laughing stock. Your probably from Dublin

By your analysis nearly every team in the country except Kerry must be a laughing stock.:rolleyes: Dublin must be the laughing stock now right ??

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kevmy85 wrote: »

If Donegal are truly so unbeatable how come they only overcame Cork, Tyrone and Kerry by two points each (along with a flukey goal against Kerry)?

If they were really that much better than everyone they would be putting away these teams by 4,5,6 points. Mayo beat Down by a cricket score and still had 3 points to spare against Dublin despite going to sleep for 15 mins and getting 5 players injured on the day.

Now I'm not saying Donegal aren't favourites (they should be as they have probably beaten better teams) but rather that they aren't as far ahead of teams as people have been making out.

The expectation and the hype surrounding Donegal will almost certainly have an effect on players (some will take it positively and some negatively) but it's an unknown factor for a team that is now in new territory.

I think it's still an open contest and it's an interesting and unique contest.

FFS, talk about skewing things to suit yourself :rolleyes:

Donegal beat Kerry by 2 points despite a 'flukey goal'...you negated to mention the Kerry goal should have been ruled out for square ball. Cork scored a goal with almost the last kick to put respectability on the scoreline. Tyrone, meh, it's a derby that was always going to be closely fought.

Mayo beat Down by a cricket score...was this not a few weeks after Donegal had done the same? Or does that not count because it doesn't suit your argument?

I agree that all the talk of Donegal walking it is ridiculous, but they're probably rightly favourites. Whoever wins, it should be a very close game.

Fr Tod Umptious

jimmy the car wrote: »

Have watched it a few times since the game (Sky Plused it) and you're right Donegal did uncharacteristically miss a few what fairly simple scores, especailly the likes of Mc Fadden who was no more than 30 yeards out in front of the posts and put it wide, as well as others. I feel that will be a sore point for them and hopefully recitfied for the final and they will not be as wasteful this time round....hopefully.

For a team that basis so much of it's scores getting on counter attacks they need a good return from those attacks or else the whole plan does not work.

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Jimmy Macnulty wrote: »

Goals against Mayo are rarer than hens teeth this year! If mayo manage to get in close enough they can beat Durcan.

They've conceded 1 less than Donegal in the championship, and Donegal have played 2 extra games.

Fr Tod Umptious

fullstop wrote: »

FFS, talk about skewing things to suit yourself :rolleyes:

Donegal beat Kerry by 2 points despite a 'flukey goal'...you negated to mention the Kerry goal should have been ruled out for square ball. Cork scored a goal with almost the last kick to put respectability on the scoreline. Tyrone, meh, it's a derby that was always going to be closely fought.

Mayo beat Down by a cricket score...was this not a few weeks after Donegal had done the same? Or does that not count because it doesn't suit your argument?

I agree that all the talk of Donegal walking it is ridiculous, but they're probably rightly favourites. Whoever wins, it should be a very close game.

It does not matter if the Kerry goal was a square ball or not at this stage, it was goal that Donegal conceded with 5 or so mins left almost cost them the game.

The same happened to a lesser extent v Cork because the goal came much later, but it was due to Donegal complacency after they had been wasteful throughout the second half

Mal-Adjusted

Saab Ed wrote: »

Everyone and their mother said that both Dublin and Kerry played sh!te all year. What's it to be, Dublin played superb and Mayo were just better or Dublin were rubbish and Mayo just did what they had to do.

why can't Dublin have played bad and Mayo have played well?

Saab Ed wrote: »

Neither of the teams in this years final are much use.

being a bit subjective there, aren't you?

Saab Ed wrote: »

My point is not to slate Mayo or Donegal,

Yes, it is.

Saab Ed wrote: »

my point was that the standard nation wide this year has been poor.

you'll find that most people would disagree with you.

Saab Ed wrote: »

Let's be honest , nobody had to raise their game much to beat the big boys.

I don't quite understand what you are saying here. big boys? the likes of Kerry, Dublin & Cork (while great teams) aren't on some sort of pedestal. anybody can be beaten by a good skillful team.

Saab Ed wrote: »

Cork shot themselves in the foot against Donegal and Dublin woke up for 10 minutes and Mayo almost blew it.

explain how they shot themselves in the foot. that implies that the game was theirs and they screwed up themselves. Cork were simply outclassed by Donegal.

Saab Ed wrote: »

Anybody who supports their county should,always do so whole heartedly, no point being naive though.

It seems that you're supporting your county a little too much. suffer a spanking at the hands of one of the finalists, by any chance?

Saab Ed wrote: »

This won't go down as a classic year,

Mayo and Donegal haven't met in the final before, it already has.

Saab Ed wrote: »

neither of these teams will be in next years final.

could you please use your crystal ball to tell me next weeks lotto numbers please?

Saab Ed wrote: »

Good luck to both teams though.

your sincerity shines through.

Saab Ed wrote: »

Maybe in Mayo and Donegal but as I remember it, only last year both of these were near enough laughing stock.

Now you're just making stuff up. both teams were semi-finalists last year.

Just An Opinion

What was the issue with Conor Mortimer and the Mayo panel I never actually got the reasons behind his absence?

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Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

It does not matter if the Kerry goal was a square ball or not at this stage, it was goal that Donegal conceded with 5 or so mins left almost cost them the game.

The same happened to a lesser extent v Cork because the goal came much later, but it was due to Donegal complacency after they had been wasteful throughout the second half

And Mayo were 10 points up against Dublin and only for a great save with a few minutes left would probably have blown it. So both teams have shown an ability to finish poorly, but people don't want to admit that.

wow sierra

Just An Opinion wrote: »

What was the issue with Conor Mortimer and the Mayo panel I never actually got the reasons behind his absence?

He wasn't on the starting 15 and wasn't happy with that so left the panel.

If you want to know why he wasn't on the starting 15 thats a more complex answer.

K-9

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Drink the Kool-aid

Yep knew what it was, still not drinking it, was very impressed with Mayo in Croker, if responding to simply daft analysis of Donegal forwards is drinking kool aid, then so be it.

K-9

Saab Ed wrote: »

Eh .... no it hasn't. Kerry yes but the other two, really! Maybe in Mayo and Donegal but as I remember it, only last year both of these were near enough laughing stock. Again well done to both teams on reaching the final but the self praise without unbiased self assessment has been very amusing.

You sound like one of those sad individuals who think it isn't a real final because one the traditional big powers aren't in it. Cork played well against Donegal in the first half, the better team just won.

K-9

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

For a team that basis so much of it's scores getting on counter attacks they need a good return from those attacks or else the whole plan does not work.

The stats show they are getting good returns which is pretty obvious, otherwise they wouldn't be in the final, same with Mayo. Donegal are very good at restricting chances to opposition forwards though, put it this way, the Mayo forwards will not get the time on the ball that Dublin gave them.

wow sierra

Originally Posted by kevmy85

If Donegal are truly so unbeatable how come they only overcame Cork, Tyrone and Kerry by two points each

I know I need to get a life and stop posting here but seriously

They only beat the 2008, 2009 and 2010 All Ireland champions by 2 points so they are crap. Mayo only beat the 2010 runners up and the 2011 champions so they are also crap I assume. God give me patience. Such begrudgery!!!!

I assume the disgraceful lack of decent broadband on the west coast is contributing to the lack of respect shown to these teams on Boards.ie. Or maybe they are too busy out with their mates/chatting to their neighbours etc, to bother with Dinternet.
:D:D:D:D:D

DDC1990

wow sierra wrote: »

Originally Posted by kevmy85



I know I need to get a life and stop posting here but seriously

They only beat the 2008, 2009 and 2010 All Ireland champions by 2 points so they are crap. Mayo only beat the 2010 runners up and the 2011 champions so they are also crap I assume. God give me patience. Such begrudgery!!!!

I assume the disgraceful lack of decent broadband on the west coast is contributing to the lack of respect shown to these teams on Boards.ie. Or maybe they are too busy out with their mates/chatting to their neighbours etc, to bother with Dinternet.
:D:D:D:D:D

Nope everyone is just ignoring the obvious trolls.

Just An Opinion

wow sierra wrote: »

Just An Opinion wrote: »

What was the issue with Conor Mortimer and the Mayo panel I never actually got the reasons behind his absence?

He wasn't on the starting 15 and wasn't happy with that so left the panel.

If you want to know why he wasn't on the starting 15 thats a more complex answer.

I see, so its a self imposed exile then. Thanks for that just never got wind of why he wasn't around anymore.

Jimmy Macnulty

wow sierra wrote: »

He wasn't on the starting 15 and wasn't happy with that so left the panel.

If you want to know why he wasn't on the starting 15 thats a more complex answer.

Because he wasn't playing well in training and did not merit a start

MaroonAndGreen

Jimmy Macnulty wrote: »

Because he wasn't playing well in training and did not merit a start

Wrong.

Actually was being reported at the time that he was flying in training.

John Maughan said in his Connacht Telegraph column that he couldnt see how Conor wasnt starting given how well he was training.

Jimmy Macnulty

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Wrong.

Actually was being reported at the time that he was flying in training.

John Maughan said in his Connacht Telegraph column that he couldnt see how Conor wasnt starting given how well he was training.

Not wrong actually. A fellow player actually said very early on in the yr that he didn't deserve to be on the starting 15 because he wasn't playing well. And he didn't actually shine in any games this year anyway? Horgan is a fair manager. If he deserved a place on the team he would have been on it. John Maughan is hardly down watching every training so how would he know?

MaroonAndGreen

Jimmy Macnulty wrote: »

Not wrong actually. A fellow player actually said very early on in the yr that he didn't deserve to be on the starting 15 because he wasn't playing well. And he didn't actually shine in any games this year anyway? Horgan is a fair manager. If he deserved a place on the team he would have been on it. John Maughan is hardly down watching every training so how would he know?

He does watch training in fact, whats to stop him anyway?

This thread isnt about Mort anyway

leelilo

"croker will be empty,gaa must be sick dubs are out,im planning on pareing some corns that day"
croker wont be empty the donegal fans will fill the stadium and if they were allowed to they would do it twice over. There will be plenty of disappointed donegal and mayo fans who wont get tickets

Jimmy Macnulty

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

He does watch training in fact, whats to stop him anyway?

This thread isnt about Mort anyway

Fair enough. Anyways Horan has done ok without him so far. And even if mayo lose I can't see many people looking for his head saying they would have won if Mortimer had still been there. That team is no longer about individuals but a working unit. The 3 inside forwards are far from superstars but are honest and will work their bollix off for the cause. This mayo team will be knocking around for a while. Just hope in a couple of weeks they can get rewarded from all their hard work.

overshoot

leelilo wrote: »

"croker will be empty,gaa must be sick dubs are out,im planning on pareing some corns that day"
croker wont be empty the donegal fans will fill the stadium and if they were allowed to they would do it twice over. There will be plenty of disappointed donegal and mayo fans who wont get tickets

despite how well we have been doing lately with the bandwagon well and truly rocking... donegal doesnt have the population to fill croker twice over... but it makes the fact that about 1 in 4 of our population was at the cork game all the more impressive!

leelilo

ok twice over was a little over enthusiastic but betwwen the counties the stadium will be packed wnd plenty of sunshine supporters will have boarded the bandwagon. Anyway c`mon donegal

WesternZulu

If you look at it over the last 2 years they have played 4 teams in
common, Dublin ,Cork, Down and Kerry;

Dublin - Mayo won this year whereas Donegal struggled last year, although they have progressed their game since.
Cork - Mayo won well last year, Donegal did the same this time around.
Down - Both teams hammered them this year.
Kerry - Donegal did brilliantly against them in the quarters but then again a freak goal went a long way to aiding that win, giving them a cushion going in a half time.
Last year on the other-hand Mayo didn't get hammered in the fashion they usually do but never looked like winning. Then again Kerry are a serious mental block for any Mayo team.

When you look at it like that there shouldn't be much in it, not to mention both were semi finalists last year and finalists this time around. Their progress is almost identical.

The media seem to be building it up as Donegal as being unbeatable and while they certainly have had the harder passage to the final don't forget that in the last two years Mayo have knocked out the two reigning All-Ireland champions.
No bad achievement.

The_Kew_Tour

I think Mayo will go into this in best possible way.They go in as underdogs, but this time without having to worry about Kerry.

Was talking to my friend who's brother is married up there and he saying Donegal people are extremely confident. Met 2 lads yesterday from Donegal and they seem to be same.

NIMAN

I do think Donegal people are overly confident. Having said that, when you dispose of Kerry and cork relatively easily, you can understand their confidence.

But this is a final, and people need to remember that Mayo were 10pts clear of the dubs at one stage.

I do fancy Donegal to win, but I think it will be a tight final.

Brain Stroking

Saab Ed wrote: »

Could we have wished for two worse teams in the final. A game between Donegal and Mayo is just a non event. Terrible reflection on the quality of the opposition and the game itself that this match will be the climax of a season. I can't imagine that anybody outside of these two counties , except the most devoted and fervent GAA fans , will actually give a sh!te about this game. If you dont play Dublin, Cork or Kerry in the final then you just git a lucky break that year.

Dublin rarely get to finals. Flattering to include them

Hammer Archer

Brain Stroking wrote: »

Dublin rarely get to finals. Flattering to include them

Don't feed him.

lmf

K-9 wrote: »

I know, it's terrible than those 3 aren't in the final. Wonder what happened them?

Yes Saab what happened them?

Sunnyisland

Brain Stroking wrote: »

Dublin rarely get to finals. Flattering to include them

And Cork do ?


Kerry have won it 36 times,

Dublin 23,

Galway 9,

Cork 7.

blowitupref

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I think Mayo will go into this in best possible way.They go in as underdogs, but this time without having to worry about Kerry.

Was talking to my friend who's brother is married up there and he saying Donegal people are extremely confident. Met 2 lads yesterday from Donegal and they seem to be same.

I'd say Mayo were also underdogs in the 1996 final v Meath and v Cork in 1989. With no Kerry in the final this time Mayo fans will be more confident.