is the govt about to fall?

Ghandee

Lots of rumours and discussions on radio shows this morning that the current govt may be about to fall.

Apparently labour party members have been told to prepare themselves for a possible imminent general election.

Apparently Sinn Fein plan to put down a motion of no confidence in James Reilly after his handling of €130m health cut backs.

Labour/FG coalition was never a match made in heaven, but its unwinding a lot quicker than I thought possible.

Opinions anyone?

IM0

Ghandee wrote: »

Lots of rumours and discussions on radio shows this morning that the current govt may be about to fall.

Apparently labour party members have been told to prepare themselves for a possible imminent general election.

Apparently Sinn Fein plan to put down a motion of no confidence in James Reilly after his handling of €130m health cut backs.

Labour/FG coalition was never a match made in heaven, but its unwinding a lot quicker than I thought possible.

Opinions anyone?

yeah take it to politics -->

super_furry

Can't see it at all. If anything does come of it, it'll be Reilly sacrificed.

seamus

There doesn't seem to have been any issue big enough to warrant a collapse of the coalition.

They haven't even been in the Dail for a number of weeks. Sounds like stirring to me tbh.

Guy:Incognito

Ghandee wrote: »

Apparently labour party members have been told to prepare themselves for a possible imminent general election.

The same way punts were being printed last year to prepare for our imminent exit from the Euro?

Happyman42

It's either a general election or a Labour party split.

On second thoughts, the second would mean a general election anyway.....so, we're doomed!

SEPT 23 1989

Labour dont have the balls for reform thats why it will fall

JohnMarston

I predict another year of poor to mediocre, uninspiring leadership devoid of any enthusiasm or desire to innovate

Ghandee

Currently being discussed on 2fm with colm Hayes.
Labour party chairman was on to the show via phone, seems very very unhappy with a few FG decisions of late.

Dont shoot the messenger!

super_furry

Probably just looking for leverage coming into the new Dail term. There's no way Labour would force an election now. Just look at the opinion polls, they'd be the big losers if they did.

fishy fishy

its all a pretense. they are trying to "show" that they are "working hard" - in actual face they couldn't give a toss. But they need to be "seen" disagreeing with each other. :roll eyes:

there should be a "no confidence" vote on every single on of them.

Micky Dolenz

This government will not fall anytime soon.

ejmaztec

If the government does fall, a few FG/LAB TDs will lose their seats, and we'll end up with a multi-party coalition that will spend most of its time in a state of war with itself.

Biggins

ejmaztec wrote: »

If the government does fall, a few FG/LAB TDs will lose their seats, and we'll end up with a multi-party coalition that will spend most of its time in a state of war with itself.

Yep - and they know it - and whats more, they know a good lot of the public knows it!
...So they will use all that knowledge alone to stay in power rather than see it handed over to someone else.

We are stuck with the two-face, constantly u-turning, double-standard, lying bastards!

meathstevie

And if there was an election what would change ? This country would need to grow a set of balls and deal with real money draining problems and stop moaning about people working for the state, the vast majority of them on very average to modest conditions.

When I look down my street of 12 houses there's only 3 in which people are working, officially that is. The rest is on the dole and at least 5 out of the 11 people involved are doing plenty of casual of the books work on a very regular basis. It's not only the fact that the state pays them their unemployment benefits but also all the attached benefits which runs into a few hundred Euro a week a head and how many of these chancers are there running about nationwide ? Some proper social welfare inspections could save this country millions a week.

euddue

i'm voting for the swedish social democratic party.

TeddyTedson

Can you imagine Jerry Adams as our prime minister...

euddue

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Can you imagine Jerry Adams as our prime minister...

I never knew they let foreigners be taoiseach

Biggins

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Can you imagine Jerry Adams as our prime minister...

I suspect Merkel would schite bricks at the thought!

Anyone

euddue wrote: »

I never knew they let foreigners be taoiseach

de Valera was born in America.

KerranJast

Labour would be stupid to pull out atm. As someone else said, their poll numbers are crap. Sinn Fein would eat them alive and all that would happen is Fine Gael and Fianna Fail would do a deal "In the National Interest".

The Troika still run the show and any newly formed Govt will have to deal with their restrictions.

This whole health cutbacks "crisis" is a joke anyway. The HSE have overspent massively (they gave almost 300m in pay increments this year ffs) and now are trying to use the Publics affection for frontline staff to cover the vast amount of waste in that black hole of a Dept.

TeddyTedson

Its about time we caused absolute chaos and planted the Sinners in power

TeddyTedson

Its about time we caused absolute chaos and planted the Sinners in power

positron

Another election for what? What other choice do we have out there?

If the Government fails, the best option would be to hand over the keys to ze Germans, because even with their self interests and all that, they would be more efficient and good for the country than the local politicians we have seen in last 10-20 years.

Boombastic

I'd vote for a man of the people, who goes against the grain someone like Mick Wallace...er, no wait....or some one who stuck to their principals like Ming...actually no er..they are all just as corrupt as each other. I hope it does fall and the country descends in to anarchy.

mikom

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Can you imagine Jerry Adams as our prime minister...

Tom Adams brother is he?

neil_hosey

Boombastic wrote: »

I'd vote for a man of the people, who goes against the grain someone like Mick Wallace...er, no wait....or some one who stuck to their principals like Ming...actually no er..they are all just as corrupt as each other. I hope it does fall and the country descends in to anarchy.

i claim meath

Mr Benevolent

Biggins wrote: »

We are stuck with the two-face, constantly u-turning, double-standard, lying bastards!

How is this different to any other democratic country? This is situation normal.

Colmustard

I think they are, Labour is becoming Labour again, but I think it is to late for them they will be devastated in the polls. I will be voting FG I think they are doing the best job to spite the difficult circumstances.

ejmaztec

mikom wrote: »

Tom Adams brother is he?

I wonder whatever happened to Grizzly?

mikom

ejmaztec wrote: »

I wonder whatever happened to Grizzly?

Got the health portfolio.....

Boombastic

neil_hosey wrote: »

i claim meath

You will have to fight me for the seat of the high king. On Guard!!

cometogether

Why don't we just have a revolution, seriously? I'm talking guns and lynching.

syklops

Ghandee wrote: »

Currently being discussed on 2fm with colm Hayes.
Labour party chairman was on to the show via phone, seems very very unhappy with a few FG decisions of late.

The Labour Party chairman rang 2fm? Probably because RTE 1 hung up on him.

"I want to talk to Joe Duffy! Or Pat Kenny or someone with the respect of the pee-ple!"
RTE Spokesperson:" Joe isnt on until after the news at one, and Pat is already in his slippers. Would Ronan Collins do?

ejmaztec

cometogether wrote: »

Why don't we just have a revolution, seriously? I'm talking guns and lynching.

That will be a natural progression because there won't be anyone left to vote for, most of them having blotted their copy-books.

Boombastic

I don't mind if the government falls
Implements more futile laws
I don't care if the nation stalls
And I don't care at all

na, na, na, na..

Bannasidhe

meathstevie wrote: »

And if there was an election what would change ? This country would need to grow a set of balls and deal with real money draining problems and stop moaning about people working for the state, the vast majority of them on very average to modest conditions.

When I look down my street of 12 houses there's only 3 in which people are working, officially that is. The rest is on the dole and at least 5 out of the 11 people involved are doing plenty of casual of the books work on a very regular basis. It's not only the fact that the state pays them their unemployment benefits but also all the attached benefits which runs into a few hundred Euro a week a head and how many of these chancers are there running about nationwide ? Some proper social welfare inspections could save this country millions a week.

How did a thread on whether the government will fall soon lead you think its time to attack on people on SW?

If you know for a fact that people are claiming SW and working on the side - report them.

JohnMarston

cometogether wrote: »

Why don't we just have a revolution, seriously? I'm talking guns and lynching.

I can't go play revolution this week, early morning starts for work and all

The_Minister

cometogether wrote: »

Why don't we just have a revolution, seriously? I'm talking guns and lynching.

And then what?

We set up a democracy where we vote the exact same kind of people in?

They aren't dictators, they're the politicians we want.

cometogether

JohnMarston wrote: »

I can't go play revolution this week, early morning starts for work and all

I just got back from the Electric Picnic, I'm f ucking knackered, next month?:p

Sleepy

Presumably this is Labour trying to distance themselves from the cutbacks that'll be necessary in the up-coming budget.

There's nothing to be gained from another election unless the rumours that Shane Ross is putting together a new party are true in which case we could see a FG / [new centre-right party] coalition. The anger amongst the middle class that feel like they're being taxed out of existence is becoming more palpable and since FG would inevitably blame Labour for the tax-hikes, claiming they wanted to cut the dole etc. they could see an upsurge in support (though how much of the anti-FF vote they got in the last election they could hold onto would be questionable).

Labour would be the biggest loser in an election imo. They're losing the "money grows on trees: no to taxes and no to cuts" morons to Sinn Fein, much of their traditional supporters would (ironically for a leftist party) feel betrayed by the property tax and they're not going to get any new support after this term in government.

Bannasidhe

Sleepy wrote: »

Presumably this is Labour trying to distance themselves from the cutbacks that'll be necessary in the up-coming budget.

There's nothing to be gained from another election unless the rumours that Shane Ross is putting together a new party are true in which case we could see a FG / [new centre-right party] coalition. The anger amongst the middle class that feel like they're being taxed out of existence is becoming more palpable and since FG would inevitably blame Labour for the tax-hikes, claiming they wanted to cut the dole etc. they could see an upsurge in support (though how much of the anti-FF vote they got in the last election they could hold onto would be questionable).

Labour would be the biggest loser in an election imo. They're losing the "money grows on trees: no to taxes and no to cuts" morons to Sinn Fein, much of their traditional supporters would (ironically for a leftist party) feel betrayed by the property tax and they're not going to get any new support after this term in government.

If FG seek to blame Labour by claiming they blocked cuts to SW and this directly lead to tax increases they may want to consider that there are over to half a million voters in receipt of SW (JSB/JSA/Lone Parent/Disability - all SW).

FG won a huge slice of the vote in the GE by presenting themselves as the alternative to FF. Then proceeded to implement FF's policies one they got in power. People arn't going to forget that.

I always thought Labour were making a mistake going into government with FG and think that if the party is to survive they are going to have to re-establish themselves once again.

As for the Property Tax - my issue with the Household Charge it is that it is meant to pay for services provided by the local authorities therefore I believe it should be paid directly to the local authorities by every household - including LA tenants. See, being left wing so I believe we all should pay to fund local services that we all use.

seamus

It could be the start of a split in Labour. For years they've comfortably occupied the space between Sinn Féin socialism and Fine Gael centrism.

On this revolution of the wheel, they've discovered that the rescue of the country is less compatible with socialist policies than it is with centrist policies. This is what I reckon has created friction moreso within Labour than between Labour and FG. The more leftist members of Labour are disillusioned with what they perceive to be concessions to FG, while the more centrist elements are frustrated with the constant resistance to necessary measures.

New Labour, perhaps?

Biggins

Confab wrote: »

How is this different to any other democratic country? This is situation normal.

It certainly is for Ireland this last few terms - and still don't make it right or acceptable!

mikom

Ladies, ladies, the government won't fall so long as Edna Kenny is kept well clear of any stray flowerpots.

seamus

Biggins wrote: »

It certainly is for Ireland this last few terms - and still don't make it right or acceptable!

The funny thing of course being that the current government is probably the most open, honest and respectable one we've had since the Republic was founded.

Which could make you laugh or cry...

Colmustard

seamus wrote: »

The funny thing of course being that the current government is probably the most open, honest and respectable one we've had since the Republic was founded.

Which could make you laugh or cry...

Yeah I agree and it sucks. Its a pity we hadn't got this competent government when times were better.

Gilmore has disappointed me, he was great in opposition, but now you don't hear a peek from him.

K3lso

I believe we need less government, not more.

Seems most of the problems we face right now have been caused by incompetence. Massive overspending, bailing out private companies - it's all very Mr. Bean. Having said that, this government won't fall anytime soon - not that they're doing a great job or anything, quite the opposite. Unless there are marches/protests in the street akin to the final FF days, then this shower will continue to ransack the place and sail off into the sunset with massive pensions.

Did anyone honestly think that the oldest serving member in Dail Eireann, Enda Kenny, would have any stomach for change?! He was there through it all, seen it, done it, wore the t-shirt, collected his salary, sat on his hands and kept his mouth shut. The only parties that differ in any real terms are the ULA and they'd send this country back to the stone-age.

What we have to do is to get politically active. Join the parties and infiltrate them. Change them from the inside. Vote to remove the Establishment. If you're a private sector worker and you vote Labour next time, don't go on a hissy fit when they raise taxes on you to pay for the Croke Park Agreement - use your head. Encourage others that seek to set up other parties, join them and take a stand.

If we sit on our hands, nothing will change. And that's a guarantee you can take to the bank.

Biggins

seamus wrote: »

The funny thing of course being that the current government is probably the most open, honest and respectable one we've had since the Republic was founded.

Which could make you laugh or cry...

Honest?
No.

Open?
Questionable!

Respectable?
Unsure.

ejmaztec

Biggins wrote: »

Honest?
No.

Open?
Questionable!

Respectable?
Unsure.

Money-grabbing gravy-train passengers?


Yes.


e.g.

TDs got €34,300 pay-off to give up council seats

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/tds-got-34300-payoff-to-give-up-council-seats-3217253.html

..even though some of the TDs aren't in government.

crusher000

I can hear the if we step out of Government now it will furhter de stabilise the country and serve no real purpose. We are fully committed to staying in power to get the Country back to economic recovery and get Ireland working again speech.

This ones for free all others will pay here after.